Microsoft nopes out after Twitter starts charging $$$ for API access
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Microsoft pulled out yesterday after balking at the new fees (the enterprise form is [1]here – hattip to [2]peeinian ), although it will still [3]offer users of its Advertising platform the ability to spend their campaign cash across Facebook, Instagram, and LinkedIn channels. Mails have also begun to go out informing Redmond's clients of the change.
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Microsoft's ad platform update
Over on Twitter, sober reflection was taking place, and a committee of execs met to discuss the issue, while Elon consulted with a lawyer over what he'd say publicly on the... nah, not really (or if it did happen, we'd be very [5]surprised ). Instead, the official [6]Twitter 2.0 news account (yes, it has one... *cough* Pravda *cough*) tweeted on the Microsoft move to cut off Twitter last night, and the world's second richest man was there like a shot with what looked like a threat to sue Microsoft, [7]tweeting : "They trained illegally using Twitter data. Lawsuit time."
One would presume he meant OpenAI's ChatGPT or another Microsoft-backed or linked AI model fed public data, although he didn't specify. Any such model trained on public internet data might have ingested information via Twitter's API, which has historically been free.
We've asked Twitter what exactly Musk meant by this (yes, despite poomojis, it's the right thing to do). We'll update if we hear back. Microsoft said it has "nothing to share."
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Anyway, back to the drama. The news of Microsoft leaving immediately became BREAKING NEWS to the TwitterDaily handle, which presumably doesn't get a poomoji when it asks Musk for comment. We asked Twitter about this, because giving story subjects the opportunity to respond and fact checking means something to us, but, well: "💩."
[9]Ex-Twitter Brits launch legal challenge against dismissal
[10]Twitter engineer calls out Elon Musk for technical BS in unusual career move
[11]Twitter tries to lure brands back with spend-matching scheme
[12]Musk says spat with Apple over App Store ejection threat for Twitter was 'misunderstanding'
It has been quite the week already for Musk, whose follow-up to an ill-advised interview with [13]Tucker Carlson went live on Tuesday, including some gross opinions about procreation and objectionable ones about abortion, and who on the same day was pleading with [14]advertisers in person to come back to Twitter. But don't tell him what to do, OK? It's a business, except when it's not.
There are various theories out there as to why Musk would want to charge a single org that kind of money for making even low volume pull requests – a situation that could see Twitter cutting off traffic to its own platform. He could be attempting to create artificial scarcity and create pent-up demand, some theorized.
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There's also the possibility Musk will U-turn so hard the wheels smoke – it wouldn't be the first time. Twitter could lower its API access price tomorrow if it wanted. Microsoft isn't one of the indie devs scoffing at the price – it's a huge corporation and its advertising client reach is quite significant so losing it has got to sting.
Say what you like about Musk, he's doing the most to show he was right about the social media company's [16]value . ®
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[1] https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScO3bczKWO2jFHyVZJUSEGfdyfFaqt2MvmOfl_aJp0KxMqtDA/viewform
[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/12s95sl/is_elon_on_crack_im_not_paying_42k_per_month_for/
[3] https://help.ads.microsoft.com/apex/index/3/en/60085
[4] https://regmedia.co.uk/2023/04/20/screenie_ms_ads.jpg
[5] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/24/musk_tesla_consent_decree_sec/
[6] https://twitter.com/TitterDaily
[7] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1648784955655192577?s=20
[8] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2ZEG2BGBJMHVlUwbMP0pj@AAAAIM&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0
[9] https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/13/twitter_uk_dismissal_challenge/
[10] https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/14/musk_twitter_rpc_spat/
[11] https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/02/twitter_advertising_push/
[12] https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/01/musk_app_store_dispute_over/
[13] https://jezebel.com/elon-musk-and-tucker-carlson-want-to-impregnate-all-of-1850352632
[14] https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/19/musk_says_twitter_advertisers_can/
[15] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44ZEG2BGBJMHVlUwbMP0pj@AAAAIM&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0
[16] https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/20/musk_overpaying_twitter/
[17] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
act like his parent???
I am not even sure this moron ever had parents, probably came from a test tube implanted in a pig brain.
Re: act like his parent???
Sorry, replying to my own post;
It probably wasn't a test tube, just one of those teeny-weeny things one sees on csi or some similar Yankee crap tv shows where everything works so quickly and easily.
somebody needs to step up and act like his parent.
I'm not volunteering. Is anybody that masochist?
Problem is that unlike SpaceX, Boring Company, Neuralink and to a degree Tesla, Twitter is 100% his without any minders or babysitters. And he isn't about to quit either, so... he'll ruin the company and take it down before he quits to go back to building his Cybertruck or whatever else takes his fancy.
Parental
"If Musk really wants to go all in on playing a twelve year old child, somebody needs to step up and act like his parent."
Does anyone really think that Elon you're grounded!!! Go to your room. And stay there. And no internet until you apologize!!! is likely to improve matters?
Let me see now...
Company A puts it's prices up and company B ceases to buy from them. Company A then threatens to sue. Have I got that right? In what universe is that a basis for a lawsuit?
Re: Let me see now...
In the good old US of A
The French have making love as a national pass-time, the British have talking about the weather, and the Yanks have litigation...
Re: In the good old US of A
Even in the US company A would have to show that company B had some form of contractual agreement with them that company B was now in breach of.
Re: In the good old US of A
Not understanding the law is how Musk ended up owning Twitter.
Re: Let me see now...
A narcissist's universe. Musk is like Trump in that he lashes out irrationally when attacked and I believe this is one of those occasions.
Re: Let me see now...
"Company A puts it's prices up and company B ceases to buy from them. Company A then threatens to sue. Have I got that right?"
Not quite. You missed a step.
Company A puts it's prices up and company B ceases to buy from them. Company A would, if run by a competent person, consider whether the price decision was a good idea or not and might change things. Company A is not run by a competent person, so their response is to try to find some other cause to sue. They don't have one, so Musk had to make one up, which is now something about training AI on Twitter data, whether or not that actually happened. This is probably also not a basis for a lawsuit since Twitter's terms of service give them the right to host the content, not all the copyright rights to that content, so they may not be allowed to sue for copyright violation unless it's Twitter-generated content.
Interestingly enough, if Twitter data was used to train an AI, it's most likely GPT. That's not owned by Microsoft even though they have a lucrative partnership, so Musk would have to sue OpenAI, which he originally funded. Maybe they'll find some other cause for a lawsuit that will make more sense, but I doubt it.
Re: Let me see now...
I know it won't happen, but it would be an interesting to see how teamMusk went about proving that GPT has data derived from Twitter encoded within it. Go on Elon, sue away, show us how to prove GPT contains our data...
Re: Let me see now...
Well there is the LLM/AI angle. OpenAI only has first mover advantage through scraping sources like Twitter like crazy, in this case using Twitter published APIs. I doubt Musk is the the only API owner looking at LLM trainers getting a free ride. Interesting times.
Re: Let me see now...
It depends on the terms of any existing contract between A and B. But it is hard to imagine Microsoft agreeing "We will buy ads from you for 5 years regardless of what you charge." They aren't stupid.
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A highly expensive legal shitfight between Microsoft & Musk? Over mass data ingestion for bot training? Oh, how enjoyable it will be to settle down and watch this! May the case be long, and the costs exorbitant!
If ChatGPT did really train on data from the Twitter API no wonder its getting sued for defamation for making up shit without citing references.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/australian-mayor-readies-worlds-first-defamation-lawsuit-over-chatgpt-content-2023-04-05/
The nonsense that ChatGPT often comes up with isn’t based on bad training data. It’s completely made up. It creates plausible sounding sentences. They are often not base on any good or bad information.
Business hari kari
Musk has been down this road of threatening advertisers, even moaning that not spending money is somehow tantamount to censorship. Given how obnoxious the platform has become, with engagement becoming toxic, it is no wonder that advertisers are running for the hills.
At some point it's going to go under or the creditors are going to get rid of Musk and try and sell the thing as a going concern. Hopefully whoever buys it does a better job. And failing that, there are plenty of other viable social media platforms that will take over.
Saving M$ from itself
It couldn't resist the footgun that the twitter API feed represented when it was free, but by triggering the beancounters Musk may have markedly improved the utility of the M$ tools.
Going to sue?
Are there any lawyers willing to risk it, or do they ask for cash in advance when it come to dealing with this manchild?
If Musk really wants to go all in on playing a twelve year old child, somebody needs to step up and act like his parent.