Take a 14-mile trip on an autonomous Scottish bus starting next month
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Running from Ferrytoll Park and Ride near the Forth Road Bridge to the Edinburgh Park Transport Interchange, the bus [1]route is claimed to be [2]the first registered autonomous bus operation in the UK. On the 14-mile route the buses will travel up to 50 miles per hour in mixed traffic, and will have the capacity for around 10,000 passenger journeys per week.
The fleet of five Alexander Dennis Enviro200AV buses are being operated as part of the joint CAVForth (CAV meaning connected autonomous vehicles) initiative funded by the UK Government's Centre for Connected and Autonomous Vehicles, as well as transport biz Stagecoach, bus manufacturer Alexander Dennis, Transport Scotland and others.
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The approval of the project, which will begin serving passengers on May 15, follows a test run by Stagecoach [4]in January . Twenty-two passengers were on board during the test run, which traveled the same 14-mile route the full service will operate on next month.
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"Our trunk road network can provide a wide range of environments as a diverse testing ground, and the ground-breaking and globally significant Project CAVForth will really help Scotland establish its credentials on the world stage," said Kevin Stewart, the Scottish Minister for Transport.
"This is an exciting milestone for this innovative and ambitious project, and I very much look forward to seeing Project CAVForth take to the roads next month," Stewart said.
Autonomous, but not unsupervised
In a 2021 blog post, CAVForth said the Alexander Dennis buses it's deploying on the route are capable of SAE level 4 autonomy, which is [7]defined by vehicles able to drive themselves in all but the most challenging conditions.
Level 4 autonomy is still in the [8]prototype stage in most of the world's automotive fleets, but Fusion Processing, the company behind the CAVstar autonomous system, says it's ready.
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"We are delighted to be leading on the world's most complex and ambitious autonomous vehicle programme," said Fusion Processing CEO Jim Hutchinson. "Our automated driving system … combines our own hardware and software to create safe, full-sized buses, operating at SAE Level 4," Hutchinson added.
That's not to say passengers on the CAVForth route will find themselves on a bus without an operator - quite the opposite: There will be two staff members on board to handle operation of the autonomous vehicle. We note that old-fashioned human-driven buses typically only require a single person to operate.
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For the foreseeable future, the autonomous buses will operate with a safety drive up front monitoring the technology, and a "Captain" in the passenger cabin "to take tickets and answer customers questions," CAVForth said.
Cities in Norway, Germany and Switzerland have announced [14]plans to deploy their own fleets of autonomous buses, but those projects have involved miniature vehicles, not full-sized buses. ®
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[1] http://www.cavforth.com/service-route-timetable/
[2] https://www.cavforth.com/uks-first-full-sized-fleet-of-autonomous-vehicles-to-be-launched-in-may/
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[4] https://www.stagecoachgroup.com/media/news-releases/2023/2023-01-20.aspx
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[7] https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update
[8] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/02/charted-autonomous-driving-accelerating-mobility/#:~:text=Autonomous%20driving%20ability%20is%20displayed,4%20is%20expected%20by%202025.
[9] https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/13/uk_industry_calls_for_autonomous/
[10] https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/15/china_half_truck_half_tram/
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[14] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/01/autonomous-buses-geneva-project/
[15] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
Re: buses will operate with a "Captain" in the passenger cabin "to take tickets"
We were deprived of our bus conductors long before they developed this new-fanlged way of rinsing us.
Re: buses will operate with a "Captain" in the passenger cabin "to take tickets"
AI: Yes, most people see the return of clippie to be a good thing.
Re: buses will operate with a "Captain" in the passenger cabin "to take tickets"
Was it really that long ago? Dire Straits - Wild West End (1978): [1] YouTube .
[1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5mfz4393NA
Re: buses will operate with a "Captain" in the passenger cabin "to take tickets"
OK, but (a) it means someone is still onboard for emergencies, (b) someone is still employed (always a win IMHO) who they cannot sack or they'll lose the revenue and (c) they don't bank your money well before ever delivering what you paid for (which is the scam behind Oyster prepay and monthlies). Also, how are you going to gate a bus against non-paying passengers?
I suspect keeping someone on board is an attempt to stave off having to hose the bus after every journey after the usual undesirables have left, er, 'residuals', and to stop people getting on whose smell suggests they missed their annual bath, twice.
Why would anyone leave the Kingdom of Fife by bus Autonomous or not ?
Know a few fifers who could rattle off over half a dozen reasons on one hand.
You've overlooked that this bus will also offer a new way to get out of Edinburgh. Which the rest of Scotland appreciates is a very good thing.
True- didn't think of that. Keep forgetting you can travel North from Edinburgh if the trains are working, and the yellow buses are running- Haven't seen it since before the Plague.
Where will it end ?
At the end of Not Very Well Road I quite imagine.
Re: Where will it end ?
On The Buses? Where will it end?
Cemetery Gates obviously.
Re: Where will it end ?
Buy a 1st class ticket - you'll get a Butler!
The good news for all small children ..
.. is that they're at least not running Tesla's FSD.
You must be pretty confident in your tech if you're prepared to let it loose in buses in a jurisdiction that won't allow you to buy your way out of trouble if it goes wrong so I'm both intrigued and interested.
Progress or PR bollocks?
Somebody hasn't thought this through. Existing buses can operate with just one employee - the driver. These shiny new driverless ones need two: a 'driver" who allegedly doesn't drive and someone who sells/checks tickets. Hmmm.
Or maybe that second dude is there to make sure the bus speed doesn't drop below 50 mph and set off a bomb. I saw a documentary about that a few years ago.
interesting route to chose
That bus is going to be riding along some highly congested roads, particularly during peak times. Admittedly, it won't be going fast, so that's in it's favour.
The Scot's revenger for the voice-activated elevator
If you haven't seen it before, google the skit about the two Scotsmen trying to get a voice-activated elevator to work for them, then imagine this:
"Bus, this is my stop, let me off."
"No you daft machine, I want you to open the doors"
etc. etc.
Only the Scottish Government could crow about an automation scheme that turns a one person job into two...
And once the unions get involved they'll be stuck with 2 from now on even if the experiment fails and they go back to ordinary driver-operated buses.
Which would be a good thing.
Because right now the bus stops.... the driver gets the passengers to pay, once they've boarded the bus moves along to the next stop which all takes ages and usually blocks the single carrige way road the popular buses run along
With 2 man operation, the driver stops... picks up new passengers, drives off to the next stop while clippy gets the money.. much faster much less blocking of the traffic....... much less need for clean air zones etc etc etc
Wonder if they have a supervising driver named Sulu and a Captain by the name of Kirk, and when things go wrong, is the engineer Scott?
Worth watching.
I still think that there is too much data to process with sufficient accuracy in real time for self-driving vehicles, especially with the sensors currently used, so I will be very interested to see how well the bus copes.
Hey they could try this automation thingy on the underground - if it can drive a bus on a public road it ‘may’ be able to start and stop a train !
Currently we are paying tube drivers union chappies a ransom so they can sit and look out of a window whilst kindly allowing us to commute.
miniature vehicles
One has to assume that when speaking about the competition one has to write about "miniature vehicles".
However this has to be about trials or it's a joke, I cannot remember sitting in bus or a tram since 1960s with two persons employed.
Smashing opportunity
This project sounds like a smashing opportunity. Ordinary motorists beware!
buses will operate with a "Captain" in the passenger cabin "to take tickets"
So we're supposed to be impressed by the wonders of this technology, whilst it needs a bus conductor onboard to collect tickets, a mere 20 years after the introduction of the Oyster card in London for ticketless travel eliminated this need.