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Anyone want an International Space Station? Slightly used

(2023/03/15)


NASA expects to spend around $1 billion to deorbit the International Space Station as the orbiting laboratory reaches its end of service in the 2030s.

A [1]report [PDF] released this week shows NASA will continue to support projects on the ISS, but is also looking towards building a new space lab and retiring the current model.

Officials have asked the White House for $228 million to build commercial space stations with US aerospace partners, and $180 million to build a deorbit module to take apart the ISS, pull it out of orbit, and dispose of its components over the Earth's oceans.

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Kathy Lueders, NASA's human spaceflight chief, [3]explained that the costs for the whole project were estimated to be "a little short of about $1 billion."

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NASA is hoping that it'll be able to reduce costs by encouraging private aerospace operators to compete for contracts or request for proposals (RFPs) to build the deorbit module. "Our goal is to go out with an RFP, and then, obviously, when we get the proposals, then we're hoping to get a better price than that," she added.

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The ISS is made up of multiple different modules that together span over 109 meters (356 feet) from one end to the other. Other agencies that have taken part in the spacecraft's activities – like Russia's Roscosmos – will also be responsible for disposing of their own parts safely. NASA has previously said it will work together with Roscosmos to deorbit the ISS using its Progress cargo spacecraft.

"We are also developing this US capability as a way to have redundancy and be able to better aid the targeting of the vehicle and the safe return of the vehicle, especially as we're adding more modules," Lueders explained.

The largest portion of the budget NASA has requested will go towards its flagship Artemis mission. The space agency reckons it needs $8.1 billion to continue to work towards sending the first woman and next man to the Moon. Humans have not set foot on the Moon for over a half a century. NASA believes exploring and building infrastructure for humans to live on the Moon is a vital stepping stone to being able to venture further out into the Solar System.

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NASA administrator Bill Nelson [11]waxed lyrical : "President Biden's budget will help us explore new cosmic shores, continue to make strides in traveling to and working in space and on the Moon, increase the speed and safety of air travel with cutting-edge technologies, and help protect our planet and improve lives here on Earth." ®

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[1] https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/fiscal_year_2024_nasa_agency_fact_sheet.pdf

[2] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_offbeat/science&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2ZBGlT1UHml2c4XFEFnb-sQAAAFg&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYXY30znZ-0

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[6] https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/03/crew6_astronauts_liftoff/

[7] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/27/ground_equipment_failure_scrubs_latest/

[8] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/14/soyuz_iss_spacecraft_delay/

[9] https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/30/spacex_falcon_moon_landing/

[10] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_offbeat/science&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44ZBGlT1UHml2c4XFEFnb-sQAAAFg&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[11] https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/president-s-fiscal-year-2024-budget-strengthens-nasa-space-economy

[12] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



Can they make the next one a proper spinning ring please?

Neil Barnes

Like the one in 2001, with gravity at the edges?

They don't have to do it all at once, just a bit at a time: start from the middle and build outwards.

Like a circle in a spiral Like a wheel within a wheel

Sceptic Tank

How would you de-orbit such a thing? If it comes down in the Gobi desert it won't stop rolling until it reaches Timbuktu.

Re: Like a circle in a spiral Like a wheel within a wheel

Neil Barnes

Bring it down flat, like a frisbee... skip it all the way to Mars!

keep it up and house candidates like...

s. pam

the stick insect women from UK tabloids

the ex-prince and his wife in Montecito

Katie, the crash test dummy ex-page 3 woman

...and the list goes on...

Mir

localzuk

Didn't they just fly the entirety of Mir into the atmosphere to deorbit it? Surely the simple solution would be to disconnect a module at a time, and use something like Canadarm2 to fling it towards the planet?

A little bewildered what will cost $1bn to deorbit the station tbh.

Re: Mir

Quotes

What happens if they don’t get the funding to de-orbit?

Re: Mir

jdiebdhidbsusbvwbsidnsoskebid

Mir was tiny compared to the ISS. The ISS is big enough for large chunks of it to make it to the earth's surface, which is a big hazard to anything underneath. Deorbiting the whole thing in one go is out because it would be too unpredictable in its "flight". It has to be dismantled first probably into individual modules and each deorbited separately. Each part will also have to be powered so it can be controlled where it enters the atmosphere and intimately ends up. I don't know if each module is equipped to do that so that might mean missions to fit thrusters to each module.

The deorbit of the last ATV (ESA's Automated Transfer Vehicle) a few years ago was heavily instrumented to gain understanding of how the ISS modules will behave when deorbiting (the ATV was similar in size to an ISS module).

It's not a simple job and I suspect a lot of the costs are the space launches required to go up there and sort it out. It's not a simple case of the last astronaut to leave turning the lights out.

Re: Mir

Rich 2

I agree. Exactly what do you get for your one beeeelion dollars? All they have to do is press a few buttons to manoeuvre it. Even the recovery operation can’t come close to that, surely

I've got a better idea...

pantsu

Excuse my child-like naievety but can't NASA just gaffer tape a couple of Standard fireworks to it and shoot it off into the inky-black beyond? Seems like it would be considerably cheaper, especially if done around late October/early November. Bonus points if it can be filled with some of the human flotsam/jetsam from the planet below before pushing the Goodbye button. I'm sure we could help suggest some names of 'volunteers' that could be putin...

Re: I've got a better idea...

Sceptic Tank

And how much would that cost? Practically nothing. The subcontractors' pockets need to be lined.

Lining pockets =================>

Anonymous Coward

Rather than decommission it, they should fill it with glue... for no real reason other than the fact that I have a shedload of glue sitting here that needs to go.

UCAP

... they should fill it with glue ...

But them they would be stuck with it!

What's the sound of an RFP?

Magani

""Our goal is to go out with an RFP..."

So more like a wimper than a bang?

For All Mankind

Dan 55

Can't they turn it into a space hotel and then fly it off to Mars?

It can be done on the TV I'm sure it can be done in real life.

Just a small request

I am David Jones

I don’t care where it lands, but could they arrange it to be an impressive fireball flying -at a safe height of course- over my house on a clear night?

Don't worry

IGotOut

Musk has a plan to turn it into an atomic powered, hyperspeed capable tunnel making car.

It'll be ready next year, unless some pedo guy has a better, more practical plan.

ISS MkII

Mark White

I don't think they should be allowed to decommission it until they have replaced it with a more advanced version.

um

Fr. Ted Crilly

Boost it in parts out of orbit and awaaayyyy.

fractal radiation jamming the backbone