If Tesla Investor Day was about exciting investors then boy did it fail
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For an indicator of how poorly it went, just look at Tesla's stock prices after the market closed. It started falling as Musk and company [1]took to the stage and hasn't really looked back – TSLA dropped nearly 8 percent in pre-market trading.
There's a multitude of reasons why investors may not have been impressed with Tesla's "Master Plan 3" or any of the other tidbits of news inserted between hyperbole. It also could have been Musk's unusually low energy level that made it look like his Twitter troubles and all those other lawsuits were beginning to catch up with the 51-year-old, who ceded much of his time on stage to other Tesla leaders.
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Regardless, the good in the Tesla Investor Day 2023 presentation didn't hold a candle to the glow coming from all the stuff they didn't mention, and the previous Master Plan that has become a thorn in the side of the electric automaker.
Master Plan 3: Great global goals, no devilish details
Tesla [3]describes Master Plan 3 as its "path to a fully renewable energy future" for Earth – an ambitious goal, but one the company said was more feasible than it seems.
"There is a clear path to a sustainable energy Earth. It doesn't require destroying natural habitats, or for us to be austere," Musk said. "We could support a civilization much bigger than Earth's sustainably on Earth, and I'm shocked by how few people realize this."
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The company's slide deck, as shared on Twitter, claims that only a third of the dirty energy generated on Earth ends up being consumed in a useful manner. Tesla estimates that transitioning to green energy would require an additional 240 terawatt hours of energy storage, 30TW of new solar or wind generation, and an additional $10 trillion to break free of fossil fuels.
Contrary to what some may assume about the footprint of solar power, Tesla and Musk claimed that only 0.2 percent of the Earth's surface would need to be dedicated to the facilities.
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Tesla said its sustainable energy transition plan involves eliminating internal combustion vehicle fleets, using heat pumps in homes, implementing high-temp heat delivery and storage for industry, transitioning to electric planes and boats, and "powering everything with renewable generation and stationary storage."
But how are we going to get there? Sorry – no details to share yet, said Musk. Those will be published in a "detailed white paper with all of our assumptions and calculations" that Musk [7]said would "be released by Tesla shortly."
What about new cars?
As part of its Investor Day reveals, Tesla said it wanted to drastically reduce manufacturing cost and complexity in order to create cheaper cars, which it would do at the new manufacturing facility planned for Mexico.
That process would involve designing a new generation of power train that would eliminate the need for rare earth materials, cut silicon carbide supply needs by 75 percent, shrink factory footprints by half, and be compatible with any type of battery chemistry.
The new car rumored to be attached to the more efficient power train was under wraps at the presentation – literally under a sheet in the slide deck – and Tesla said it wasn't going to share any new vehicle plans yet.
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When asked during the Q&A for details about the new vehicle, Musk said Tesla would "be jumping the gun if we answer your question" and that more details would be forthcoming at a later date.
Full Self-Driving claims are Full Self-Deception
Hyperbolic language and carts showing up before horses isn't unusual in a Tesla presentation, but what's less typical is the company including Full Self-Driving safety statistics that miss the point.
"In the last 12 months, a Tesla with FSD Beta engaged experienced an airbag-deployed crash about every 3.2 M miles, which is ~5x safer than the most recently available US average of 0.6M miles/police-reported crash," Tesla said in a [9]tweet accompanying some of its presentation slides.
[10]Shareholders accuse Tesla of overegging Autopilot, Full Self-Driving capabilities
[11]Tesla hits the brakes on rollout of Full Self-Driving code to new users
[12]CEO Elon Musk wants out of Tesla tweet jail. Lol, no, says SEC
[13]Tesla's self-driving code may ignore stop signs, act unsafe. Patch coming ... soon
But break that down a bit and it's meaningless. FSD collisions in which airbags are deployed aren't comparable to manually operated vehicles involved in an accident in which police are called. Airbags [14]aren't meant to deploy in all situations, and any number of those police-reported accidents may have occurred on surface streets, while most use of FSD and Autopilot is on freeways, where accident rates are far lower.
Tesla also did not address the legal issues around Autopilot and FSD.
On February 1, Tesla [15]admitted it handed FSD and Autopilot documentation to investigators pursuing a criminal case against the company due to the high number of fatalities linked to the system.
A study published this week claimed Tesla's Autopilot [16]increases crash rates by 11 percent when controlling for domain and driver age. The automaker earlier said the tech can reduce accidents by about half. An open-access pre-print of this work by the University of Virginia's Noah Goodall is [17]here .
An unrelated investigation by America's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) found that FSD Beta software deployed to 362,758 cars needed to be recalled for safety reasons – namely that it [18]may not be behaving properly around intersections. The NHTSA previously determined that Autopilot was involved in [19]70 percent of driver-assist accidents .
As part of an over-the-air recall patch being deployed to FSD Beta customers, Tesla said it was [20]pausing additional FSD Beta rollouts until it could address the safety issues.
A group of Tesla shareholders also sued the company this week, alleging the company's statements around the safety of Autopilot and FSD amounted to [21]securities fraud , again, because the claims inflated stock value. Investors say losses they've incurred are due directly to those claims, and they hold Musk responsible.
The deuce bites back
In 2016, Musk shared " [22]Master Plan, Part Deux ," which included four goals for Tesla since it had mostly met its [23]original goals of selling cars: build solar roofs with "seamlessly integrated battery storage," expand Tesla's EV market to "all major segments," build a self-driving system 10 times safer than manual driving, and turn Tesla vehicles into a source of passive income for owners.
Tesla [24]purchased solar roofing company Solar City in 2016 and folded it into the company as Tesla Solar. Its panels have since been linked to [25]fires at multiple WalMart stores in the US, with the retailer alleging in legal filings that Tesla Solar technicians are "incompetent."
Tesla's only expansion outside of consumer sedans has been the Tesla Semi, an electric truck which has been less than successful and has been spotted [26]breaking down around the country after having just hit the roads. The Cybertruck, which still has yet to launch, will reportedly be coming sometime this year, the most recent predictions at Investor Day indicated.
Musk also said that Tesla owners would be able to add their cars to a shared Tesla fleet that would allow them to be used as self-driving taxis when not in use; this most definitely hasn't happened yet.
As for the goal of developing FSD tech 10 times safer than human drivers … that's been the dream for some time, hasn't it? Despite claims in yesterday's presentation that Tesla is halfway to that 10x goal, critics have their doubts, and even prevailing against every legal challenge won't change that for Musk or Tesla investors.
As of writing, the markets have opened and Tesla stock is climbing from its 8 percent premarket drop; it's now down around 6 percent from where it was before the company tried to inject some energy into its investors. ®
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[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl1zEzVUV7w
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[3] https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1631046264849670147
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[7] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1631055720153006080
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[9] https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1631063252875505669
[10] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/28/tesla_securities_fraud_lawsuit/
[11] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/28/tesla_has_to_fix_safety/
[12] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/24/musk_tesla_consent_decree_sec/
[13] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/tesla_fsd_upgrade_recall/
[14] https://www.nhtsa.gov/equipment/air-bags
[15] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/01/tesla_autopilot_investigation/
[16] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19439962.2023.2178566
[17] https://engrxiv.org/preprint/view/1973
[18] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/tesla_fsd_upgrade_recall/
[19] https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/15/tesla_autopilot_accounts_for_70/
[20] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/28/tesla_has_to_fix_safety/
[21] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/28/tesla_securities_fraud_lawsuit/
[22] https://www.tesla.com/blog/master-plan-part-deux
[23] https://www.tesla.com/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me
[24] https://www.theregister.com/2016/06/22/musks_tesla_to_buy_musks_solarcity_for_us28_billion/
[25] https://www.theregister.com/2019/08/21/walmart_tesla_solar_panel_lawsuit/
[26] https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/25/tesla_nevada_semi_plant/
[27] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
RE: re-engineering the underlying parts for lower cost
I s all very well and good but those mega castings are making repairability a thing of the past. Have a small prang and your Tesla Mobile will be written off. This leads to giant increases in insurance premiums for ALL of us.
Tesla has signaled this for years by refusing to sell spares even to owners.
Buy a Lord Elon' 'The Magnificent' Mobile at your peril. Personally, I would not buy a Tesla even if I won the lottery which I don't play.
As for the 'Investor Day'... The Cult members were all worked up about a Model 2 and much more... Then nothing happened. They are not pleased with their 'Dear Leader'.
Re: RE: re-engineering the underlying parts for lower cost
Repairability of Teslas is not good, and not just because cast alumin(i)um is a swine to repair. There's also this insistence that it's all bought new from Tesla instead of recycling parts of other Teslas that have been for instance, in an accident. That pretty much pulls the rug from underneath any sustainability of 'good for the planet" claims they are so happy to spout.
Add to that increasing competition in the car market as well as the HGV market where they tried to have a play despite apparently not employing anyone with common sense or at least some HGV driving experience and I'm not surprised reception was at best lukewarm, also because the cyber truck is, well, the less is said about that the better.
If we then also take into account that FSD was overpromised and then underdelivered to the point of causing enough accident/incidents to spark multiple investigations and I'm amazed the stock only dipped so much. There is no longer any real oomph behind the company.
Re: RE: re-engineering the underlying parts for lower cost
"not just because cast alumin(i)um is a swine to repair."
It's no different to die cast or pressed. You smack it and weld it. Laser welding is an option on machined surfaces
I know, we do it day in day out. Hundreds of parts a week.
Cast Iron, now that's a bitch.
Musk's great promises falling flat
It's been his party trick from day one - promise a world changing mission that people can invest in, emotionally and financially - then build something far less world changing than the grand claims implied.
Solar panels imported from China, a niche premium car brand, robots that are frankly embarrassing and a city on Mars that doesn't survive a moment's serious analysis.
Even if you believe he's serious about those goals, the failure to translate an early lead in car manufacture to a range of cars (Tesla essentially has one model that it sells in any numbers, the 3/Y), the failure to reduce the high cost, the steady erosion of the lofty margins, the disaster that is FSD (we're on version 4 of the hardware) and the rapid improvements from the 'dinosaur' mainstream manufacturers all mean that the run road for Tesla is a lot shorter than it was five years ago.
Good job he's not focussed on a half-baked social media platform when he's got so much to do...
Re: Musk's great promises falling flat
In many ways like Clive Sinclair on steroids. Tesla personal transporter anyone?
Re: Musk's great promises falling flat
Did Tesla announce a C5 ?
Re: Musk's great promises falling flat
"Did Tesla announce a C5 ?"
That's the issue. The promise a lot and deliver very little.
you're all idiots
This is so bad. You people have no context to be making the apocalyptic claims you're making. Tesla is the most profitable company in the manufacturing world by far. "ever eroding margins" is not a concern when your "competition" struggles to even reach double digits. There were early issues with getting parts, but now there are independent repair shops. If a traditional car is damaged to the extend that it would comparably compromise the one piece casting on m3/y it would also be written off. takes surprisingly little structural damage to get the insurance company to write vehicles off. what a ridiculous point to make. nobody would repair such significant damage.
idk why you think elon pissed into your cereal or whatever that you must drag tesla down. maybe you're all jealous lotus engineers left little england to make tesla cool in california?
recently tesla model y was torn down by none other than toyota and they remarked it was a "work of art" ... but what do they know about cars? better consult the crab apples on register's comment section.
Re: you're all idiots
New and successful companies tend to have a better profitability and margin until they become established and come off the rapid growth curve.
Re: you're all idiots
"Tesla is the most profitable company in the manufacturing world by far."
Profits drive share price and theirs just dropped 8 percent IN A DAY.
Re: you're all idiots
1. What do you mean, "you people"?
2. Visualize using proper spelling and punctuation; doing so will improve your credibility.
3. Last but not least, Tesla has been having [1]ongoing reliability issues , although they apparently are [2]ahead of the EV pack in this regard, with most brands of EVs also having battery pack issues.
Don't get me wrong, I think Tesla single-handedly made EVs popular in the US, building a cachet brand around the concept like Apple around early personal computers, and no one can take that away from them. Just like Apple, however, Tesla has made significant missteps and is not helped out by the hubris of the CEO. Jobs eventually found a modicum of humility; perhaps Musk will as well.
Flame icon because, you know, battery packs.
[1] https://www.hotcars.com/real-truth-about-tesla-reliability/
[2] https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-placed-bottom-consumer-reports-reliability-rankings/
Re: you're all idiots
Elon, is that you?
Ooh, yet another Very Bad Idea.
"Tesla owners would be able to add their cars to a shared Tesla fleet that would allow them to be used as self-driving taxis when not in use."
So I can have persons unknown put ciggy burns and unmentionable stains on my expensive car seats while exposing my vehicle to additional road hazards and buggy FSD software? What a concept. And if the FSD decides to prang it, whose auto insurance rates will go up? Oh, wait, my insurance won't cover driving-for-hire at all, and Tesla won't pay either.
4/5 of Tesla owners I know bought them because they were cost effective, and actually available to buy. The cars are "good enough"
(1 is a true believer, and if Elon released a Reliant Robin, he'd buy it).
Making sure you have control of your lithium and other critical materials supply, and re-engineering the underlying parts for lower cost, less critical materials, and faster, simpler manufacturing, is likely what it takes to remain cost-competitive and available to buy. Successfully bringing factories into full mass production quickly is also remarkable.
Personally, if I were an investor, a lack of froth would be a very good thing.