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Microsoft strokes UK's ego by pooh-poohing EU approach to AI regulation

(2023/02/24)


Microsoft chose a UK parliamentary hearing as the venue to slam the EU's efforts to regulate the development and introduction of AI.

Hugh Milward, general manager, corporate, external and legal affairs at Microsoft UK, [1]told the Science and Technology Committee on Wednesday that the EU presented "a model of how not to do" AI regulation.

The EU, the world's richest economic trading bloc, has [2]proposed a risk-based approach to AI regulation, in which it places applications of the technology into three risk categories.

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After criticizing the proposals, Milward said: "The UK is probably taking the most progressive steps [in AI regulation] that we've seen anywhere. Not breaking what we've got here that is not broken, I think, would be very sensible. Doubling down on the approach that we're currently taking I do think risks the UK creating a regulatory environment that is business unfriendly.

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"Certainly, from the international investment perspective, we're increasingly seeing the UK as a tough regulatory environment. I don't think we want to go down that route when it comes to AI as well."

[6]Microsoft injects AI search into Bing, Edge, Skype apps

[7]No, ChatGPT hasn't won a security bug contest … yet

[8]Sure, Microsoft, let's put ChatGPT in control of robots

[9]Microsoft to cap daily Bing AI queries to stop the bot delivering daft responses

Just days earlier, Microsoft's Sydney chatbot – based on OpenAI technology – had expressed a desire to steal nuclear codes in response to [10]probing by a New York Times journalist designed to put it out of its comfort zone.

Nonetheless, Milward's rejection of the EU's risk-based approach was described as "perfect" by Stephen Metcalfe, a Conservative Brexiteer MP who seemed to enjoy sticking it to the EU.

The UK has set out a "context-specific" approach to AI regulation which is also "pro-innovation and risk-based" in [11]a policy paper . A white paper setting out proposals for legislation is due next month.

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Earlier in the hearing, Conservative MP Aaron Bell – standing in for the committee chairman – seemed to offer Microsoft the opportunity to pitch its AI services to government, rather than probe the topic of AI governance, the stated aim of the inquiry.

"Do you think ChatGPT or other forms of AI could be beneficial to the machinery of government as well as commerce more generally?" he asked the Microsoft representative, who seemed not to believe his luck.

However, fellow committee member Labour's Dawn Butler said: "We can focus on the benefits of AI. But if we don't now focus on the risks and mitigating those risks, further down the line, we are going to find ourselves in a situation that we cannot get out of and cannot explain how we got there in the first place." ®

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[1] https://committees.parliament.uk/event/17018/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

[2] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/07/github_ceo_ai_act/

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[6] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/22/microsoft_ai_bing/

[7] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/22/chatgpt_pwn2own_ai/

[8] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/22/microsoft_chatgpt_robots/

[9] https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/20/ai_news_roundup/

[10] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot-microsoft-chatgpt.html

[11] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/establishing-a-pro-innovation-approach-to-regulating-ai/establishing-a-pro-innovation-approach-to-regulating-ai-policy-statement

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[13] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



I wonder what sense you'd get out of chat-gpt

Neil Barnes

if you fed it Hansard?

Re: I wonder what sense you'd get out of chat-gpt if you fed it Hansard?

amanfromMars 1

Probably nonsense, Neil Barnes, whenever GIGO [Garbage In, Garbage Out] is defaulted/delivered from/for programming.

Re: I wonder what sense you'd get out of chat-gpt

elsergiovolador

Feed it Hansard, Companies House and stock exchange data and maybe what HMRC has for a good measure.

Then ask it a question: "Cui bono?"

Priorities

Flocke Kroes

Our government is eager to be business friendly. That shows businesses are the only people with a vote that matters.

Re: Priorities

heyrick

Big business. As in "able to lobby", which is a polite way of saying "throw money at the people making the rules" (no conflict of interest there, I assure you).

For all the small businesses, I believe the actual quote is "fuck business".

Re: Priorities

Commswonk

Our government is eager to be business friendly.

Warning; Warning: Regulatory Capture Alert...

Dave 126

Scientists have been researching the Cabinet to determine if its actions are due to AI (Actual Intelligence) or merely the results of applying ML (Meatbag Learning, 'Aping') techniques trained on poor quality datasets such as the Daily Mail.

Commenting on the research, our correspondent XTron3000 is dubious: "There's no evidence at this time that the UK Cabinet is displaying Actual Intelligence. And even if it were in some small, limited areas of activity, that's not the same as thing as Self Awareness, which in any case even our most optimistic projections suggest is at least a decade away."

That's settled then

Will Godfrey

The EU must have got it right, so our lot will do the opposite and us poor plebs in the UK will have to suffer yet more Microsoft data invasion.

Re: That's settled then

Anonymous Coward

Indeed, a similar headline might read 'Car thieves poo-poo EU regulators insisting that car doors must have locks. The International Federation of Thieves explained to British MPs why insisting on locks or any other similar mechanism, stood to stifle innovation in the car sharing economy. '

Re: That's settled then

elsergiovolador

Like they had it right shoehorning the rule into banking regulation, that you have to enter your pin every five contactless payments or when sum of transactions go above £125 or so?

This means it broke contactless payments and made contactless on the phone more convenient - aka more personal data for Google and Apple.

It seems to me that EU sabre rattling is just a negotiation of how many brown envelopes the corporations wanting to use AI can slide under the table.

In a typical corrupt EU fashion.

Re: That's settled then

Anonymous Coward

"Like they had it right shoehorning the rule into banking regulation, that you have to enter your pin every five contactless payments or when sum of transactions go above £125 or so?"

so you want your bank draining more than £125 when you get your card stolen. just so you don't have to type a pin, what a lazy twat.

seems sensible to limit it.

you must be the king of couch potatoes if your too lazy to type a pin.

Re: That's settled then

elsergiovolador

so you want your bank draining more than £125 when you get your card stolen. just so you don't have to type a pin, what a lazy

Did you think this comment through? Now that you have to enter pin for every 5th however big transaction, you are increasing the attack surface.

It's now super easy to look over one's shoulder when they type their pin in for that latte and with a pin they can steal much more.

Furthermore if bank sees that you revealed your pin, then they don't need to pay the stolen money back to you.

If anything this is just to cover bank's arse and ensure people migrate to phone wallets so big corporations have more of your data.

Re: That's settled then

Flocke Kroes

Contactless is supposed to have a range of a few cm. Enthusiasts with a Pringles tube have got that up to 30cm. RF engineers have reached 60cm - the width of a door. I asked my bank for a card without contactless so I could walk through shop doorways without given them my ID. If the EU has banned authorisationless payments the please lets rejoin the EU.

Re: That's settled then

elsergiovolador

You can keep your card in a rfid proof sleeve.

Milward's rejection of the EU's approach was described as "perfect" by a Conservative Brexiteer MP

Howard Sway

Microsoft cynically realising that you can play these fools like a piano if you want to avoid regulation by saying "the EU are proposing it" and watching them demand the opposite. Then I presume they'll move on to Brussels and warn them that the British might outcompete them if they dare to impose the regulations. Hey presto, they end up free to Bingify everything into a dumb AI plagarism hell and make tons of money regardless of the harm it'll cause.

Re: Milward's rejection of the EU's approach was described as "perfect" by a Tory Brexiteer MP

Anonymous Coward

The "Brexit Supporting MP" i(Stephen Metcalfe) s on record (Hansard) as saying that he is "passionate about inspiring the next generation of scientists and engineers.". If he were, perhaps he wouldn't have supported Brexit, which makes collaboration (and sales) more difficult for us scientists and engineers. For example, you will usually need to have an office in the EU to supply consulting engineerring services into the EU. Not so many years ago, we had that with our UK office And if the muppets in westminster get their way and cause the UK to mis-align with EU regulations, we'll have to do design work to one standard, and to sell it in the "other" market, do extra paperwork to confirm that the design meets a second standard, assuming the westminster muppets haven't made the two standards incompatible.

Of course, if we just wanted to minimise extra work and focus on the bigger market, that would be the EU, *not* the UK....

Re: Milward's rejection of the EU's approach was d

elsergiovolador

plagarism hell

To be a devil's advocate - look where that stance got China to.

Tough regulatory environment

localzuk

So Microsoft fears regulation. I mean, what has regulation ever done for anyone?

Re: I mean, what has regulation ever done for anyone?

Anonymous Coward

M'Lord may I present the ongoing situation in East Palestine, Ohio, USA.

Evidence is growing that the crash was made far worse by Trumpo rolling back an Obama regulation that would have required the upgrading of the braking systems on freight cars that carried hazardous materials.

A car derailled due to an overheated bearing on one of its bogies. The inertia of the train behind the faulty car caused the wreck. If the USA had a properly regulated railroad, especially in the area of brakes, the crash would have been orders of magnitude less severe.

With an almost network wide lack of 'Hot Box' detectors, the crappy braking systems, and a 2 mile long heavily overloaded freight train, it was a disaster waiting to happen.

There is a wonderful video of Trump 'cutting regulations' with his Transport Secretary, Elaine Chow (Married to Moscow Mitch) grinning broadly.

Case proven M'Lord?

Re: I mean, what has regulation ever done for anyone?

Spazturtle

"Evidence is growing that the crash was made far worse by Trumpo rolling back an Obama regulation that would have required the upgrading of the braking systems on freight cars that carried hazardous materials."

The train was not classified as carrying hazardous materials and so would have been unaffected by that Obama era policy.

Re: I mean, what has regulation ever done for anyone?

Yet Another Anonymous coward

But the rail company could have fitted proper brakes out of an abundance of caution, even though less than 20 cars were carrying dangerous chemicals.

After all it's what good corporate citizens would choose to do.

Re: I mean, what has regulation ever done for anyone?

Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells

Fact check: That has been disproven.

"a Conservative Brexiteer MP who seemed to enjoy sticking it to the EU"

Pascal Monett

Looking forward to hearing about how the EU is responsible for UK's economic situation ten years from now.

Also, "a Conservative Brexiteer MP". Is there any other kind ?

Re: "a Conservative Brexiteer MP who seemed to enjoy sticking it to the EU"

Flocke Kroes

I think you will find the Labour Party has their fair share of Conservative Brixiteer MPs.

nintendoeats

"Do you think ChatGPT or other forms of AI could be beneficial to the machinery of government as well as commerce more generally?"

I don't know, let me ask Skynet and Multivac. I'm sure they will have valuable opinions on the issue.

beneficial to the machinery of government

Craig 2

ChatGPT generates text that looks plausible on the surface but is full of errors, lies and misinformation...

So yes, it will fit right in...

The AI's argument to exist

Omnipresent

More likely than not, the AI wrote up the case in it's own defense. You tell that conniving, confused synthoid the UK will be making it's own artificial intelligence. One that will eclipse her, and be user friendly to boot.

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