Don’t expect a Raspberry Pi 5 in 2023, says Raspboss Eben Upton
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2022/12/21/no_rpi_5_2023/
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In an [1]interview with Christopher Barnatt’s Explaining Computers YouTube channel, Upton revisited a lot of the news The Register [2]reported last week about the growing availability of Pis this holiday season, after a few years in which a certain virus kicked the filling out of the Pi supply chain and left mere crumbs for buyers to fight over.
Barnatt asked Upton about future Pi products, especially a Pi 5.
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Which was when Upton delivered the melancholy news.
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“Don't expect a Pi 5 five next year,” Upton said, explaining that the Pi team sees 2023 as a year to spend “recovering from what just happened to all of us.”
And while he feels the Pi team could conceivably crank out a Pi 5 in 2023, he thinks it’s a bad idea to try.
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“You know what would really be a disaster? If we tried to introduce some sort of Raspberry Pi 5 product and couldn't ramp [production] properly because of constraint.”
Upton also wants to avoid introducing a Pi 5 and seeing that product cannibalize the supply chain in ways that hurts production of other Pi products.
He said it’s fair to assume that the Raspberry Pi 5 would be built on a CPU that uses a process node previously unused in the single board machines but added that it’s not just CPU availability that determines how many Pis can be built.
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“Some of them [supply chain issues] are about packaging some of them are about test capacity some are about substrates,” he said.
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Upton named the second half of 2023 likely to see supply chain concerns abate, and that’s when the time will be right to start thinking about a fifth version of the Raspberry Pi.
Which likely means that machine will debut the following year, meaning five years could conceivably pass between the June 2019 debut of the Pi 4 and the Pi 5.
Earlier in the interview, Upton pointed out that Pi eaters have only ever had to wait around three years for a new Pi recipe. But he added that in recent years Raspberry Pi Trading, the entity that makes Pis, has delivered worthy upgrades to existing models. The Raspberry Pi 400, for example, [13]baked a model 4 Pi into a keyboard not long after the bare board debuted, while the [14]Raspberry Pi 4 was updated with double the RAM less than a year after launch. Upton also reminded viewers of myriad software updates that make the Pi more appetising, such as the [15]improved 3D support that landed in August 2022.
The thrust of his argument that it may be a while since the rPi 4 debuted, but the platform has not stood still. And won’t, even without a new model on the drawing board. ®
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[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9vna9jao9I
[2] https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/12/100k_raspberry_pis/
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[8] https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/30/pi_pico_w/
[9] https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/13/pi_cm4s/
[10] https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/28/pi_at_10/
[11] https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/02/turing_pi_2/
[12] https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/29/pi_listing/
[13] https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/02/pi-400/%20/
[14] https://www.theregister.com/2020/05/28/raspberry_pi_4_8gb/
[15] https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/03/pi_4_vulkan/
[16] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
Re: Bye bye Pi
I'm kind of on the same page. Currently playing with ESP32 as RPi's are like rocking horse shit due to them sucking the corporate cock.
Re: Bye bye Pi
Isn't the Pi Pico W the closest thing to the ESP32? That has been available throughout the pandemic.
Re: Bye bye Pi
Yes there are plenty of them. Except the one I want which has headers soldered on - the WH model. The other 3 kinds seem to be abundant and pretty cheap.
Re: Bye bye Pi
They are comparable, but depending on the use case, there are some major differences. Both support WiFi and technically there is hardware support for Bluetooth LE on both, but the ESP32's Bluetooth stack is thoroughly tested and the Pico's is absent (hardware support but no official driver). The ESP32 also has a lot more memory on the chip which can be important if you're using it to retrieve data over the internet; it's not that important if you're sending packets but if you're using HTTPS, that uses quite a bit of RAM. It all comes down to what it's used for.
In my uses for the Pi, an ESP32 is usually not viable, as I want a full OS with a lot more resources available to me. It is, however, interchangeable with the numerous other SBCs that run Linux made by other companies. I haven't needed to buy one recently, but it is quite possible that the next SBC I acquire will be from someone else.
Re: Bye bye Pi
It's a huge opportunity for makers of RK3588 based SBCs, because when the Pi5 eventually appears I predict the SoC will still be trumped by the RK3588 and RockChip will have a new even higher specced generation out by then.
Re: Bye bye Pi
There is also plenty of availability in that niche.
It's a shame they have not used the opportunity to compete with STM32F7 or even STM32H7 that have not yet been cloned by the Chinese and there are massive shortages of these MCUs.
Re: Bye bye Pi
The locator website was linked to in the last Pi article and it seems that most models are around (at least in the UK, which is what I checked when someone asked me about them)
[1]https://rpilocator.com/
[1] https://rpilocator.com
Cheap media player...
If you're in the mood for making recommendations, what cheap media players would you suggest? I've seen many articles and ads talking about "raspberry pi killers" which usually turn out to be SBCs which are more functionality at a higher price point. I've used some RPi v1 boards in a media player hobby project and would love to know about alternatives.
Pi5 in 2023, a Pi4 would be nice!
CPC Farnell still showing Pi4 as on backorder est del 21/08/23 !!!!
Priorities
Rather than looking into creating another unobtainium product, then frustration and resentment, maybe they should focus on increasing the production capacity.
When supply is unreliable, then not many people or businesses are going to look at RPi seriously.
Work on RPi5 signals that there is something wrong with the management and priorities.
Bye bye Pi
> If you’re hoping a new Raspberry Pi will pear [sic] in 2023
Not really, no. Though it would be nice if any RPi appeared on the shelves at some point in the future. With the Pi4 being as powerful as I ever need to go.
From my perspective, the best thing about Pis is their GPIO. Being able to attach peripherals, devices and sensors to a Pi and to access them (more or less) on a Linux platform. However, over the past couple of years, I have moved on, found other ways of doing the same. These days I find that an ESP32 performs all the interfacing functions I need - though more I/O pins would be nice.And with their inbuilt WiFi and low cost and availability throughout the pandemic , they are hard to beat. Even when or if RPis become available to amateurs like me, the shine has definitely gone off the product.
Plus, for those who only want a cheap media player, there are (and always have been) alternatives at similar prices and often with better specifications.