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University orders investigation into Oracle finance disaster

(2022/11/23)


The University of Edinburgh has launched a review into its disastrous go-live of an Oracle finance system as it admitted suppliers have walked away over stalled payments.

Information passed to The Register also shows university staff were forced to fetch their own supplies and charge them to expenses owing to a lack of stock and services.

Earlier this month, [1]it emerged that staff had been paid late , leaving some in financial distress, because of the troubled introduction of a new finance and HR system based on Oracle Fusion technology. Called "People and Money" internally, the system went live in June after the institution worked with implementation partner Inoapps.

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In an email seen by The Register , principal Professor Peter Mathieson told staff and students that the leadership team was "acutely aware that our University is facing major disruption caused by the implementation of our new finance services underpinned by the People and Money system."

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"We have listened to how this is affecting our staff, students, suppliers and partners and we are sincerely sorry for the unacceptable position this has put people in," he said.

One employee told The Register staff were being forced to buy their own stationery and pay for their own taxis...

"We continue to do all we can to ensure these problems will not recur in the future. We have committed to undertaking an external review to highlight what lessons we can learn and help to inform further improvements."

The principal also promised to address late payments to staff and students. He said the university had taken extra measures to ensure stipends to students were made in November, December and beyond "correctly and on time." He also said the university was making a one-off payment of £300 ($358) to anyone affected by a late stipend payment in September or October 2022.

[5]University staff voice 'urgent, profound concern' as Oracle finance system delays payments

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Meanwhile, suppliers have stopped providing goods and services to the University, one employee told The Register . Staff were being forced to buy their own stationery and pay for their own taxis because the companies with formal agreements had stopped supplying the institution because of late or failed payments.

Meanwhile, in response to [9]criticism from the University's Senate , a representative body made up of students and academics, the institution said it would extend the support provided by implementation partner Inoapps and "keep this under review, with a focus on tackling remaining finance system defects."

It said it had extended support from finance teams and technology teams including "programme team, change team, and business analysis support." Oracle "accelerated customer support" had also been extended, [10]it said .

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The university has been asked to comment.

In an earlier response, a spokesperson said the university apologized to any students, staff or suppliers who are experiencing a delay in payment.

Oracle and Inoapps have so far declined the opportunity to comment.

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According to a [13]Freedom of Information request , Edinburgh University was using Oracle E-Business Suite (EBS) 12.1.3 for HR, payroll and self-service as of December 2014. The most recent upgrade of this system had taken place in November 2013. ®

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[1] https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/03/oracle_erp_edinburgh_university/

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[5] https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/14/university_staff_and_students_voice/

[6] https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/03/oracle_erp_edinburgh_university/

[7] https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/24/ellison_oracle_cloud/

[8] https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/21/ellison_oracle_healthcare/

[9] https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/14/university_staff_and_students_voice/

[10] https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/staff/2022/people-and-money-senate

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[13] https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/243945/response/604661/attach/html/3/ResponseFinal20150112.pdf.html

[14] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



If

Julz

the answer is Oracle you haven't asked all the right questions.

Re: If

b0llchit

Or,... the wrong people were paid (on time) to ask the wrong right questions to which the answer obviously is Oracle. The people in this set are never users or operators. You know who I suggest to belong in this set. Those who make the decisions are the ones without any factual knowledge about what they are deciding. For this set of people it is about being paid (on time) to prevent delaying decisions.

Re: If

Kane

"Those who make the decisions are the ones without any factual knowledge about what they are deciding."

Ah. Just another day ending in "y" then.

werdsmith

An investigation into the choice of Oracle. Entitled “why the fuck???”

Software 101

Paul Smith

When replace a working system with a new system, do not turn off working system until new system proven to work better.

Re: Software 101

Potemkine!

Been there, done that.

The only problem is that often bean counters decide, nor users neither IT.

"Paying for two systems at the same time?! No way!". And in the end, the costs are multiplied because tests weren't made, or other blunders (or lies) from supplier or software vendor, and everything collapses.

== Bring us Dabbsy back! ==

Re: Software 101

TVU

"When replace a working system with a new system, do not turn off working system until new system proven to work better"

^ This. When a system is working well, even with older software, someone will always come along to say that new and shiny will always work better and they thereby break the rule "Don't fix something that isn't broken" and it invariably ends in tears.

In accordance with the Peter Principle, the moron who decided that new and shiny was a good idea will escape the blame and will be promoted to create even more havoc at a later date.

Re: Software 101

Neil Barnes

In accordance with the Peter Principle, the moron who decided that new and shiny was a good idea will escape the blame and will be promoted to create even more havoc at a later date.

Well obviously. *Now* he has experience in the subject!

Re: Software 101

EvilGardenGnome

Peter Principle would hold that this cock up is the result of a promotion. If it's proper Peter Principle, once you hit your level of incompetence you stop getting promoted; any further movement is based on an external factor - nepotism, cash, blackmail... You know, the classics.

Last minute changes to Specs?

john.w

It was probably due to a last minute change that demanded the software be 'decolonised' and that gender non specific payments could be made.

Re: Last minute changes to Specs?

Anonymous Coward

why would you try to bring that in when talking about oracle fuckups?

you a right wing stupid cunt trying out the culture wars trolling?

or just an oracle sales wanker?

I just heard the SEVENTIES were over!! And I was just getting in touch
with my LEISURE SUIT!!