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Intel's stock Raptor Lake chip will do 6GHz and overclock another 25%, if it keeps cool

(2022/09/13)


Intel says its 13th-Gen Raptor Lake CPUs [1]will do 6GHz at stock settings and top 8GHz when overclocked, according to slides shared during the company’s Tech Tour in Israel this week.

This would give Intel a clock-frequency lead — 300 MHz— over AMD’s Ryzen 7000-series CPUs, announced late last month, which top out at 5.7GHz. Though, we’ll note that frequency is only one measure of performance and instructions per clock (IPC) and thermal headroom can play an equally important role in actual performance.

It’s also worth noting that AMD has a habit of underpromising and overdelivering with its Ryzen desktop CPUs. Ryzen 5000 processors routinely delivered 50-150MHz higher clocks than advertised. For example the Ryzen 9 5900X claimed a 4.8GHz single-core boost clock, but actually delivered closer to 4.95GHz under stock settings. If the same ends up being true for Ryzen 7000, Intel's frequency lead may end up being narrower than the appear.

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It’s not clear whether the [3]6GHz reported claims will be on Intel’s mainstream chips or reserved for another flagship KS-series part, Intel was previously able to eke out an addition 300MHz, for a max boost clock of 5.5GHz from by binning its best 12900K CPUs, which sold as the 12900KS.

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Given that AMD is [6]claiming its entry-level 7600X can outperform Intel’s 12900K, it’ll be interesting to see how these chips stack up in real world testing.

As for Intel’s claims of an 8GHz “world record” overclock, it’s not clear what measures are required to achieve such a frequency. However, exotic cooling is likely. At Intel’s 12th-gen launch event last year, the company attempted to overclock the chips using liquid nitrogen, only for the system to [7]crash mid livestream.

[8]With its Ohio fab under way, Intel's next challenge: Keeping its promises

[9]Intel details 12th Gen Core SoCs optimized for edge applications

[10]TSMC poised to begin 3nm production despite weaker chip demand

[11]AMD refreshes desktop CPUs with 5nm Ryzen 7000s that can reach 5.7GHz with 16 cores

If this kind of overclock is required, few if anyone can expect to see 8Ghz on any Raptor Lake CPU.

It’s also unclear whether achieving these higher clock speeds required any additional power over Alder Lake. The latter, delivered a substantial uplift in frequency last year, but Intel paid for it with ramp in power consumption, especially on the chipmaker’s overclocking-enabled K SKUs.

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Boosting power consumption — TDP — of chips to achieve higher performance has become something of a trend among consumer and datacenter platforms in recent years.

Intel’s 12900K for example is capable of pulling [13]241W under max turbo. But Intel’s hardly the only chipmaker pushing higher voltages in exchange for higher frequencies. Nvidia’s 3090 TI made waves when it was [14]announced earlier this year, not just because of its $1,999 MSRP but because the minimum recommended power supply called for an 850W PSU and a quoted power consumption of around 450W.

AMD also increased the TDP of its Ryzen 7000 CPUs by between 40-65W depending on the SKU. Though during the company’s launch event, AMD went out of its way to claim TSMCs 5nm process was actually more efficient, suggesting the higher TDPs may not be indicative of the chip’s actual power consumption under load.

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With that said, unless Intel has managed to improve the efficiency of its 10nm process or packaging techniques, its K-class desktop chips will almost certainly require liquid cooling to unlock their full potential.

Intel’s Raptor Lake CPUs are expected to launch later this year. ®

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[1] https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1569218496369655808

[2] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/systems&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2YyAAW2e5kEkuz8Hsq19PlQAAAAg&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0

[3] https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-teases-8-ghz-raptor-lake-world-record

[4] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/systems&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44YyAAW2e5kEkuz8Hsq19PlQAAAAg&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[5] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/systems&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33YyAAW2e5kEkuz8Hsq19PlQAAAAg&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[6] https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/30/amd_ryzen_7000_cpu/

[7] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IZ9fpUUoqc

[8] https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/12/intel_foundry_challenges/

[9] https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/02/intel_details_12th_gen_core/

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/31/tsmc_poised_to_begin_3nm/

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/30/amd_ryzen_7000_cpu/

[12] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/systems&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44YyAAW2e5kEkuz8Hsq19PlQAAAAg&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[13] https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134599/intel-core-i912900k-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz.html

[14] https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/nvidia_releases_1999_8kcapable_geforce/

[15] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/systems&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33YyAAW2e5kEkuz8Hsq19PlQAAAAg&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[16] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



Honest question

Eric Olson

Anyone else getting a lot of P4EE and PR-rating flashbacks suddenly?

manalive

Yawn... Apple Silicon is the future. ARM is the future.

x86/64 is dead, they just don't know it yet.

RE: the "future"

Snake

Yawn, yet another tech-head who thinks that architecture matters (ARM, Linux) on the desktop, rather than user application compatibility (read: user preferences and experience).

Because 30+ years of proof of this concept from lack of significant desktop sales penetration (OS/2, again Linux, et all) apparently... doesn't really prove anything at all.

Using the right tools

Kevin McMurtrie

Apple makes scalability compromises to accomplish their chips' performance. Apple Silicon will never be suitable for extremely large workloads. It's not what the architecture is trying to accomplish and it's not a market that Apple has the slightest interest in.

The x86 chips also have compromises to accomplish their performance. They work best when they're bulky and running hot.

ARM servers already exist and have good uses, but they're not yet replacing what x86 is good at.

On fire

Adair

The world is burning and Intel trumpets increased clock speed and commensurate power demands. O dear, but then that's humanity for you - some us us really don't give a shit.

Everything's fine until the ship has gone to the bottom and all the lifeboats have been found to be rotten.

Re: On fire - not me

HildyJ

So what are you running on your computer kit?

I'm running an Intel Core m3 8100y with a TDP of 5 watts. It is slow, but so am I.

If you're willing to put up with slow desktops, laptops, and servers, the solutions are out there.

Re: On fire - not me

Adair

A ten year old i5 T type that peaks at ~20W, but still does everything I need, alongside a Dell Wyse 'server' that is happy being fanless - prob about the same as your 5W.

But what's that got to do with Intel's latest bit of wank?

cornetman

We have been here before. Intel most likely trying to steal AMD's thunder with their parts claiming over 5Ghz boost with standard cooling and power draw.

Expect Intel to have extreme cooling on these parts for anything over 5.8GHz.

I call complete BS on 7 or 8GHz. Not a chance. We have all been here before.

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