Google tells Apple to 'fix text messaging' in bid to promote RCS protocol
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Android devices communicate using RCS, but Apple devices don't. Apple uses its own iMessage protocol in its Messages app to communicate between iPhones. Thus when iPhone users want to chat with Android users via Apple's Messages app, the conversation occurs through an older technology.
And Google, unable to convince Apple to treat Android devices better, has created [1]a website to complain. This represents an escalation from [2]RCS lobbying at the Google I/O developer conference in May and an [3]Apple-jabbing tweet in June.
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"It’s time for Apple to fix texting," says the search company facing antitrust complaints that may end up being resolved with [5]mandated interoperability .
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"Texting between iPhones and Android phones use SMS and MMS, outdated systems from the 90’s and early 00’s," laments Google. "The result is a poor experience – they do not support modern texting features like end-to-end encryption, high quality media sharing, read receipts, typing indicators and more."
Coincidentally, it was about a decade ago when Google " [8][abandoned] open standards for instant messaging " by moving away from XMPP/Jabber.
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To make its case, Google has cited social media messages, in the form of tweets and TikTok videos, expressing frustration with Apple's intransigence. And the ad giant is promoting the #GetTheMessage hashtag to fuel further social media outrage.
Google maintains that if Apple upgrades from SMS/MMS to RCS, the subpar experience of texting between iPhones and Android phones – made visible with green cross-platform text bubbles rather than blue Apple-only text bubbles – will be improved.
RCS originally did not include E2E encryption, but Google Messages added support in late 2020; Group messages [10]got E2E encryption this year. Apple supports end-to-end (E2E) encryption [11]for its own iMessage-using customers , though iCloud backups of Messages [12]include the encryption key (making encryption pointless for backed-up messages).
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Conversations between iPhones and Android devices using Apple's Messages app are not E2E encrypted. Thus, Google has gone so far as to recommend unaffiliated apps like Signal and WhatsApp as alternatives for iPhone users who want to promote more equal communication with the Android world while retaining some measure of security.
[14]Google: How we tackled this iPhone, Android spyware
[15]Google shows off immersive maps, AR-flavored search, Pixel 7, and more
[16]End-to-end encryption? In Android's default messaging app? Don't worry, nobody else noticed either
[17]Rich Communication Services: Nobody uses it, nobody wants it, but analysts reckon it's on the verge of a breakthrough
The Register asked Apple to comment and we've not heard back, but there's [18]no surprise there. The last time Apple provided proof-of-life in its communications department was on February 25th, 2022 to acknowledge an inquiry and respond, "Can we email off the record?" Despite the acceptance of those terms, no further response was received. So it is perhaps unsurprising that Google's prodding hasn't elicited any answer from Fortress Cupertino.
During the antitrust case Epic Games filed against Apple in 2020 – still awaiting an appeals court decision – messages exchanged by Apple executives revealed why the company might be disinclined to make iMessage play nicely with Android apps.
In [19]a court document [PDF] filed last year in advance of the Epic Games v. Apple trial, Epic's attorneys cited internal Apple communications to argue that Apple uses iMessage to lock customers into its iOS ecosystem and described how Apple considered making an Android version of iMessages.
"In 2016, when a former Apple employee commented that 'the #1 most difficult [reason] to leave the Apple universe app is iMessage . . . iMessage amounts to serious lock-in' to the Apple ecosystem, [then head of worldwide marketing Phil] Schiller commented that 'moving iMessage to Android will hurt us more than help us, this email illustrates why,'" the court filing says. ®
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[1] https://www.android.com/get-the-message/
[2] https://9to5google.com/2022/05/11/rcs-has-over-500-million-active-users-as-google-digs-at-apple-yet-again-for-ignoring-the-standard/
[3] https://twitter.com/Android/status/1538308158510157824
[4] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2YvR@5839oenbQ5QKIjuMfwAAABE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0
[5] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/09/governments-antitrust-suit-against-google-go-big-and-do-it-right
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[8] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/05/google-abandons-open-standards-instant-messaging
[9] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44YvR@5839oenbQ5QKIjuMfwAAABE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0
[10] https://support.google.com/messages/answer/10262381?hl=en
[11] https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/messages/
[12] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
[13] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33YvR@5839oenbQ5QKIjuMfwAAABE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0
[14] https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/24/spyware_iphones_android_isp/
[15] https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/11/google_io_keynote/
[16] https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/20/google_rcs_e2e_brouhaha/
[17] https://www.theregister.com/2020/05/27/rcs_juniper_research/
[18] https://www.theregister.com/2016/09/07/reg_effort_to_attend_iphone_7_launch/
[19] https://cdn2.unrealengine.com/dkt-407---epic-findings-of-fact-and-conclusions-of-law-0d19d12c959d.pdf
[20] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
Well, Apple sure needs to do *something*
Liked "Google tells Apple to 'fix text messaging' in bid to promote RCS protocol. Google has launched a campaign to pressure Apple to adopt Rich Communications Services (RCS), a protocol used by most mobile..."
Re: Well, Apple sure needs to do *something*
And the "most mobile vendors" are, in fact just Google when it comes to OS. If Google want to unify mobile messaging why don't they adopt whatever it is Apple use?
Can we have a "just stirring" icon?
Re: Well, Apple sure needs to do *something*
Because Apple won't let them. iMessage is a closed network
The whinings of a sad loser
Google's messaging sucking is entirely Google's fault, and now they want to blame it on Apple and get them to use Google's own 'standard'?
As a reminder, while Apple has kept on message and on strategy with iMessage, here's a partial list of Google's messaging apps, which they inevitably abandon to spawn a new half-assed monstrosity:
- Google Talk
- Google Voice
- Google Wave
- Google Buzz
- Google Chat
- Google+ Messenger
- Google+ Hangouts
- Google+ Huddle
- Gmail Chat
- Google Docs Chat
- Google Hangouts
- Google Spaces
- Google Allo
- Google Meet
- YouTube Messages
- Google Chat (again)
- Google Maps Messages
- Google Photos Messages
- Google Stadia Messages
- Google Pay Messages
- Google Assistant Messages
- Google Phone Messages
- Google Chat (AGAIN)
I'm sure I'm missing some, some might be dups (who can keep track of them all) and it might not be fair to include some of them like Google Stadia Messages. But the point is that Apple has management and Google has no management - just a series of competing fiefdoms that want to kill off existing products so they can replace them with their hot new worse version of what was previously working (Google Wallet being the most egregious of these, but messaging surely wins for most self-inflicted wounds).
Also, RCS is just plain bad. Apple's response to this is probably just going to be to point and laugh and go 'see, this is why you suck', if they even bother acknowledging it.
Re: The whinings of a sad loser
Well they're obviously adding another one to that list... "Google Whine".
Re: The whinings of a sad loser
But imessage is just bad also. It's fecking text messaging, not a word document
Google itself was the one who killed Google Talk/Hangouts.
RCS seems to be a mess
I remember seeing [1]this thread two months ago and realising why Apple hasn’t implemented RCS yet. The standard might need some more work before it’s ready for the big time.
[1] https://toot.cafe/@chartier/108487763270904301
I don't care which vendor implements it
But there needs to be a unifying standard to suit everyone here.
https://xkcd.com/927
RCS
Initially I had the same reaction to this 'Google prodding Apple to fix messaging' thing - "Surely RCS is a Google thing". Turns out it's not. It's a standard from the GSMA, but like so many other things from the GSMA, it's a mess of a design.
Why does Google not go after Whatsapp? Whatsapp doesn't use RCS either. Neither do Signal or Telegram. Since all three of those and iMessage all use their own custom protocols, I think Google should stop whining. They can always release an app on the App Store ('Messaging with Android') if they are so utterly concerned about security. Oh. Wait. They already tap Whatsapp and Signal for that. Nevermind.
The real problem here is failure to understand what text messaging IS
Text messaging IS SMS.... Wanting to overcomplicate a simple protocol...is pointless. Apple's use of it caused huge issues a few years ago if one switched from Apple to a different company, as iphones somehow marked the device as 'use imessage' and refused to send proper SMS messages
XMPP
Anything else is a marketer in search of a bonus, at your expense and mine.
Dear Google . . .
How about switching over to the Signal protocol so we can have end-to-end encryption?
Party like it's 1999
RCS sounds great until you realize that it all runs through Jibe's systems, and Jibe is Google.