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IBM ends funding for employee retirement clubs

(2022/05/30)


IBM has confirmed to former staff that it will no longer provide grants for the Retired Employee Club, meaning no more subsidized short trips to the Italian Riviera or golf days.

The clubs are regionally split. In the UK, for example, there are [1]28 local organizations that have run short trips or national tournaments including corporate games or group runs.

Joining a club was free for all Big Blue retirees with at least 10 years of service under their belt, regardless of pension age. For Local Clubs, members were asked to pay a small annual subscription.

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Elisa Pearson, HR director for the UK and Ireland, confirmed in an email to members – seen by The Register – that IBM has "decided to reconsider its relationship with its IBM Clubs globally."

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"This re-appraisal is being made within the context of developing new contemporary approaches to employee engagement. With that, from the end of June 2022 IBM will cease its formal support to UK clubs."

The only exception, in the UK at least, is the Hursley Clubhouse, where some funding will roll on. The village in Hampshire is also the high-profile location of IBM Labs, where R&D for Big Blue has been performed since the 1950s, and home to the IBM Hursley Museum.

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Pearson said in her email that IBM realizes the development "may come as disappointing news, we are however cognisant that in the UK, we have a significant retiree club population.

"We would therefore welcome ideas from our retiree clubs, on how we could continue as a club going forward. Where an IBM retiree club today does decide to continue as a new external entity, entirely independent of IBM UK, going forward, we would share your information with newly retired IBMers."

Pearson added in the email: "You may be able to join one of these."

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For some, the loss of financial support means the end of the road. The South Hants IBM Retired Employee Club confirmed it is [7]shutting its doors , saying: "From our club's point of view we cannot function without the IBM subsidy so it is with a heavy heart that we are planning how we will close it down."

The removal of the subsidy was something the clubs feared. The subject was raised at the IBM Retiree Club Midlands at its Annual General Meeting in March. The club, which has 419 members, said in the [8]minutes [PDF] of that meeting it had no information about IBM grants for 2022.

"At best, we expect the grant to continue to reduce in per-head value by 10 percent per annum, which means it is unlikely to exceed £9.50 ($12) per head. With inflation reappearing, we may find out ability to subsidize events significantly reducing."

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At South Hants Club's AGM – delayed until April to see if IBM was contributing financially to its events this year – members were expecting to receive some funding and talked of upping membership fees, according to [13]minutes [PDF] of that session. Clearly that was decided against.

Some readers may have little sympathy with the plight of former IBMers who now have to dig a little deeper to socialize. Other may say this is IBM again demonstrating the steely edge that shareholders know and love.

IBM turned over $14.2 billion in sales during calendar Q1, up 8 percent on the corresponding period for the year prior. It reported a fall in net profit to $733 million from $955 million. IBM returned $1.5 billion to shareholders during the quarter.

The timing of the decision on retiree clubs coincides with multiple former IBM staff filing lawsuits against the business, [14]alleging age discrimination when IBM laid them off.

We've asked IBM to comment on other activities it has planned for retirees, and why it decided by give up on the current structure. ®

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[1] http://www.ibmclub.org.uk/localclubs/localclubs.shtml

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[7] http://www.shrets.co.uk/index.html

[8] http://www.retireesmidclub.org.uk/minutes/agm/agm2022.pdf

[9] https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/05/ibm_shareholders_nda/

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/19/ibm_failed_project_payback/

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/07/ibm_securities_lawsuit/

[12] https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/05/ibm_z16/

[13] http://www.shrets.co.uk/AGM%20April%202022%20minutes.pdf

[14] https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/14/ibm_discovery_discrimination/

[15] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



Lord Elpuss

See You Next Tuesdays.

The only surprise here...

Nastybirdy

Is that they didn't do this before now.

I lasted 15 years at IBM before I'd had enough. It's a company that's lost its way and doesn't value its staff. It's the death of a thousand cuts. Bit by bit it just became a worse and worse place to work. This is just the latest nail in the coffin of a company I was once proud to say I worked for.

Warning: Old-Git Post

Headley_Grange

When I started work in the UK in the 80s all the big companies had social clubs. I mean buildings, with bars, squash, tennis and badminton courts, football and even cricket pitches, with teams in the local leagues. Membership cost very little and they were always busy. The company had an annual budget that you could bid for to buy kit for the club teams or pay travel costs for trips. Companies then seemed to exist as much for their employees and families as for making money. Now the clubs are all gone - sold for housing in my area - and companies are solely focused on making money. I don't think that table tennis and bean bags can make up for it.

Re: Warning: Old-Git Post

Anonymous Coward

I'm aware of at least two sites in a former nationalised industry that had 9-hole golf courses attached to them as part of their sports and social clubs.

Privatisation and subsequent carve up meant these were sold off, but at least one is still a functioning golf course.

Re: Warning: Old-Git Post

Doctor Syntax

"ut at least one is still a functioning golf course"

I'm sorry to hear that. Golf - a good walk ruined.

Re: Warning: Old-Git Post

Anonymous Coward

The IBM site I work at still has a 9 hole golf course attached!

Its mini golf. Used to be a 2nd 9 hole course, but they took it out to place emergency generators years ago, I think.

Re: Warning: Old-Git Post

Captain Scarlet

Can confirm Nortel Networks in Harlow had a social club, a proper canteen with edible food as well!

Re: Warning: Old-Git Post

Anonymous Coward

Perhaps this when they also had Personnel departments instead of "Human Resources"? IME, Personnel always seemed to care about the staff; the shift to HR was never a good sign...

Retired Employee Clubs

Warm Braw

I just assumed from the headline they were no longer allowed to use them to cull their pensioner population.

Health and Safety gone mad.

Anonymous Coward

The great resignation is, not that employees choose to move, but rather, that organisations have resigned themselves to people moving rather than doing anything about it.

I personally think this is more or less the definition of insanity, when one's outfit's reputation derives mostly from experienced personnel and the value they add.

This is certainly not unique to IBM, the entire HR industry is waving white flags, and has been for a couple of years now. Fixing it isn't hard. Cut the ludicrous exec pay and rebalance the proportions going to staff (and/or staff numbers).

I could cite a certain FTSE100 company where I currently work, where approximately 1/5th of the annual personnel budget goes on Exec pay. 1/5th of the payroll going to less than 0.01% of the workforce! This information is openly available in the public domain.

If you aren't outraged by this, you're not human. Also, said company is going to hell in a handbasket unless things improve. I'll do what I can; but if it doesn't improve, I'll be off. Making the point about the great resignation indeed.

hoola

And that sums up the entire culture that has evolved over the last 10 to 15 years. Execs have more pay, perks and privileges than ever before whist at the same time constantly chipping away to reduce what the employees (the people that actually make the company what it is) have.

The push to WFH has increased the trend as companies now see those facilities used less and less so that they are now "not viable".

Clubs and so on are becoming whittled down and from what I see, tend to be focused on the activities the execs want.

Ace2

One of my former employers used to say it was “reviewing” benefits to make sure they were still “competitive.” Little bastards with their little chisels, chipping away.

VoiceOfTruth

-> 1/5th of the annual personnel budget goes on Exec pay

Greed. What are they going to do with all this money? Build themselves a gold mausoleum when they shuffle off this mortal coil? More likely they will blow it on blow and broads.

Anonymous Coward

politics of envy?

no idea which ftse 100 business you are moaning about but what if its highly profitable and has not many staff compared to execs? What if it has a high number of execs compared to others? That 1/5 of pay to execs could be anything, without proper numbers its just hyperbole.

i bet those execs are not compensated as much as those across the pond.

https://www.therichest.com/rich-powerful/amazon-ceo-andy-jassy-212-million-compensation/

also i bet not as much as those from private companies and not from this betting business

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/18/uks-top-earning-ceo-of-bet365-denise-coates-bags-422-million-payday.html

If a business is able to make loads of profits and pay its people well i don't have an issue with that.

i have an issue when businesses make loads of profits and then go out of their way not pay their staff. its not the same as paying their execs 1/5 of the total payroll especially if non exec average pay is £50k plus!!!

Anonymous Coward

It's not highly profitable. It is a steady dividend payer, but will never make a killing, because it's not allowed to.

The org has downsized significantly in the space of the last 4 years to satisfy some short-term cost considerations. It is reeling from the loss of that experience while simultaneously moaning about shortages of staff, people leaving, and the lack of STEM grads to recruit from. It has serious problems delivering on projects on shorter timescales; mostly because of the loss of skills.

I don't need to name the company, because I suspect this is actually applicable to multiple FTSE constituents.

Envy is not the problem. Seeing the long term viability of the business squandered, is. As a shareholder, and employee, I have a vested interest in the business doing well in the long run. What I see right now, it is in serious trouble. And I'm offloading shares, funnily enough. As noted above, if things do not improve, I am out.

If I were a pension fund manager doing my due diligence on what divvy shares to buy, I would be running a mile.

If the exec were earning their pay with their eye on the ball, I'd be OK. I see the ball not merely being dropped, but cut off and sliced, deep fried and served to unsuspecting investors.

Feel free to disagree but when shit starts breaking I can smile with a smug I told you so.

1/5 of the total payroll

Anonymous Coward

I think you may have inadvertently missed out a crucial piece of context to that "1/5" complaint as given by the OP. Specifically, the longer phrase was:

"1/5th of the payroll going to less than 0.01% of the workforce!"

Korev

The clubs are regionally split. In the UK, for example, there are 28 local organizations that have run short trips or national tournaments including corporate games or group runs.

You probably meant 28 local organisations

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