Growing US chip output an 'expensive exercise in futility', warns TSMC founder
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Speaking on Tuesday as a [1]guest of the Brookings Institution think tank, Chang said that the US chose a trajectory in the 1970s and 1980s that saw its manufacturing talent retraining for higher-paying jobs. Chang said that isn't necessarily bad for America, but it is a challenge for the US chip manufacturing industry, which, in his mind, simply doesn't have the fabrication talent pool needed to expand and succeed.
Taiwan, Chang said, has a large population that was integral to TSMC's manufacturing success. While the US and other countries saw professionals moving away from manufacturing, Taiwan was ripe with talent and made it an ideal location for a "pure play" chip foundry that only produced components for other companies, he proclaimed.
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The US has a ready supply of design talent, "it's the best in the world," Chang said. "Taiwan has very little design talent, and TSMC has absolutely none." But to develop and grow a successful chip manufacturing industry, the US will need to address its own serious fabrication talent shortages, he opined
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That's not all: Chang said that costs for manufacturing in the US are simply prohibitive, and TSMC has the data to prove it thanks to 25 years of manufacturing at its plant in Oregon. Chang said the plant is profitable, but expansion plans have all but been abandoned.
"We were extremely naive," Chang said, "in expecting comparable costs, but manufacturing chips in the US is 50 percent more expensive than in Taiwan."
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US experts seem on the same page as Chang. One think tank [9]said that it thinks there will be several thousand positions left unfilled in any new factories due to a lack of suitably skilled semiconductor manufacturing workers in the nation. Chang added that TSMC tried multiple arrangements of American and foreign employees to staff its Oregon plant, but without much reduction in costs.
So why is TSMC investing in Arizona?
It's perhaps hard to square Chang's position with TSMC's [10]$12 billion investment in an Arizona fab, and news that it raised an additional $3.5 billion in bonds for the factory. Then again, he did leave in 2018 and said that the decision to build the new US fabs wasn't his.
"We did it at the urging of the US government, and TSMC felt we should do it," Chang said. Still, he believes that all the billions of subsidies being ring-fenced by the US for increased domestic semiconductor assembly will still fall far short of the necessary amount needed to boost homegrown chip manufacturers.
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US production will definitely increase, he said, at least somewhat. "There will be a high per-unit cost increase, and it will be hard for the US to compete internationally."
Chang's position has one big "if" attached to it: a war between China and Taiwan, which he admits he can't account for. If there isn't conflict between China and Taiwan, Chang said the US will have set out on an expensive endeavor.
On the other hand, said Chang, if there is a war, "the US will have a lot more than chip manufacturing to worry about." ®
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Re: To paraphrase
Presumably when TSMC opened there weren't many fab engineers in Taiwan either.
All US companies have to do is take the highly educated and motivated STEM students in Arizona and make a long term investment in training them on the details of fab engineering
Re: To paraphrase
This is the US.
Long term investment is not the capaltist standard bearers way.
Short term profit at all costs.
Re: To paraphrase
>and make a long term investment in training them
Not gonna happen. That would involve investing their money and not giving themselves bonuses or wasting it on stupid pet projects.
The sad bit, is we can't protect taiwan as long as it is such a high valued target, and being the predominant country for chips makes them a very high value, strategic target.
Wait for it, TSMC. Just wait for it.
The fact that you are better means nothing to the USA. They will fine you, they will steal your technology, they will harass your staff.
You don't believe me? Pilkington float glass process - world beating technology, stolen by the USA. Before that the USA stolen penicillin. Ask Alstom how they feel about being sh*t upon by the USA and having the whole company stolen by the USA.
TSMC may think it's the best, and it probably is. But that won't stop the USA toppling it or stealing it.
Deja vu all over again?
From the article:
One think tank said that it thinks there will be several thousand positions left unfilled in any new factories due to a lack of suitably skilled semiconductor manufacturing workers in the nation.
Seems to me I've heard this refrain before...I wonder where....
Oh yeah...this is the same refrain from that old song...what's the title, again? Yes...now I remember: The H1-B Blues , by the Big Tech Grumblers.
Some said it was a catchy tune, but nobody could dance to it.
To paraphrase
"He would say that, wouldn't he?"