When the expert speaker at an NFT tech panel goes rogue
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2022/04/16/something_for_the_weekend/
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A global network of campaigning filmmakers, [1]Ocean Collective , hopes to drive up awareness about declining marine biodiversity by developing a digital Museum of Extinction.
Items of artwork from the museum will then be sold as NFT purchases to raise cash to fund a documentary series on the topic along with other environmental awareness projects.
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Of course you know me best for my optimistic outlook and generally positive nature, so it may come as a surprise to you when I ask: WTF? When I think of NFTs I do not immediately think of their inherent contribution to the environment or how they meet the challenges of out-of-control energy consumption levels that are rising as fast as the seas. NFTs are all about money money money, surely? Not fish.
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"Selling NFTs is a new way to fund environmental film missions, while offering NFT buyers the potential of a value increase of their assets as the film project evolves," says Bob van de Gronde, director at Ocean Collective.
Ocean Collective reckons it can make it work and even go "carbon positive", insisting that 5 percent of the income from the digital artwork sales will be used to sequester carbon from marine ecosystems. With every NFT it sells, more CO 2 will be filtered out of the air than the transaction itself will produce.
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Nope, me neither.
At this point, readers with an interest in the crypto and NFT industries will be composing polite messages to me pointing out that I really ought to stop writing about things I do not adequately understand. They do this every time and I appreciate the pushback.
You have a point: I have an unfair and totally unfounded opinion that NFTs are a load of horse-puckey. To my mind, they are not just non-fungible but intangible. NFTs don't really exist, except partly in your head and partly in the bank account of the person that sold them to you.
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Well it's about time I stop playing the fool and get up to date on NFTs before I write a single more ignorant word on the matter. To this end, I recently attended a panel discussion event on the topic of selling NFTs into the art market. Let me tell you what I learnt.
First, though, here are some fish.
The audience of the panel event I attended was made up of artists and art buyers: the former desperate to find new ways of paying the rent on their garrets, the latter still somewhat baffled about what it is they would be – or already have been – buying when investing in an NFT.
The panel comprised three speakers: a digital multimedia artist who has been enjoying some success in selling NFTs; a boss of a development business that provides a platform for NFT art; and a university professor specializing in blockchain.
Clearly the intention was to put the audience at ease. The artist would say that she was earning money from her NFT auctions; the dev boss would assure everyone that the process can be secure and run honestly; and the blockchain boffin would try his best to explain how the tokens work and remind everyone that the artwork and the tokens were actually different things.
NFT art values go up, explained the artist, when the buyer is assured of their exclusivity. The fewer the copies floating about, the higher the price. This rather suggests that the best way to guarantee any NFT-locked artwork would be 100 percent exclusive - and thereby maximise its price - would be for the artist to destroy their own original files once the sale goes through. Yikes. We're talking [7]KLF levels of dedication here.
Web 3.0 is largely trustless, noted the dev boss, so that's why artists should, er, trust their NFT platform to handle their delivery and maintenance. Right you are, isn't that great? I feel better about NFTs already.
Almost the entire discussion was dominated by the first two panelists. After about half an hour of hearing how fabulous the system is despite the inability of columnists on IT news websites to appreciate it, the previously silent academic leant forward to his mic and interrupted the flow.
"Let me play devil's advocate…" he interjected.
This is not a good sign. When people say this, it's usually so they can speak to you like an absolute idiot safe in the knowledge that you can't object since they don't really mean what they're saying: they're just playing the role of an absolute idiot in order to liven up a debate.
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"… 'Non-fungible' only means you can't change the media associated to the token. It does not stop a buyer of your art from trying to extract copies of it and selling them on attached to new NFTs."
Much shifting of bottoms on seats could be heard in the auditorium as the artists in the audience began to squirm. So NFT isn't copy protection? they were thinking. What does this NFT thing do, then?
Don't worry your pretty little heads, answered the dev boss. Use a platform such as ours and we'll add layers of security. Besides, there are copyright security systems crawling around the interwebs to hunt for NFT and crypto scams...
"…Instances of which have risen by more than 500 percent over the last year," added the boffin. "But because the crypto industry is so fervently anti-regulation, there isn't any. So if your NFT gets ripped off, you're on your own."
Cue more shifting of bottoms, this time among the buyers. Hang on, they were thinking, I bought some "exclusive" NFTs and now you're saying there may be millions of identical duplicates out there and I'll have to hire cyber security firms and lawyers to track them all down?
"…And what if your NFT security platform falls over or you go out of business?" continued the professor, warming to his devil's advocate role so much that he could charge by the quarter-hour. "How would NFT owners then get access to the artwork they purchased?"
The whole audience is writhing by now. Where exactly are these NFTs I've been selling/buying? they were now asking themselves. What are they? Where do they go? Do they even exist? Holy cow, what have I done?
"…And are NFTs sold using cryptocurrencies really the sort of thing the art world should be encouraging? Where are your environmental ethics? Bitcoin, for example, consumes as much energy every day as the whole of [12]Sweden , simply to exist."
Ah, that old trope, joked the dev boss. It used to be Ireland but these days it's funkier to refer to Scandinavian countries…
"The problem with the trope is that, give or take a few megawatts, it's true."
At this point, the person chairing the discussion felt obliged to remind the prof that, as the blockchain expert on the panel, he was supposed to be there to tell us how great blockchain is, not insult it.
"Oh yes, er, sorry. Just playing devil's advocate, you know…"
Too late. Much of the audience now realized they knew even less about what NFTs were than they had when they first entered the venue. Another part of the audience were busy checking their digital wallets and desperately trying to sell that pixellated splodge they had bought for $1,000 last week before the auditorium was drowned under the rapidly rising sea level.
Even the digital artist had fallen silent.
Armed with my enhanced understanding, I feel much more confident in my evaluation of the technology and the market in which it operates. When you buy an NFT, you buy a little bit of nothing attached to another little bit of nothing.
Life is full of such nothings – love, hate, surprise – and we assign value to them just the same. This is not a bad thing. But they are ephemeral. Systems built on blockchain principles can be pretty solid but the emotional values we assign to NFTs are uncertain and the financial values we give them are fragile.
Then one day you go looking for your NFTs and realise the question isn't about fungibility. It's existential.
NFT = not fucking there.
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Not gambling
Let me be the first to say you're confusing gambling with surprise mechanics. They're simply not the same!
Re: "investing in NFTs"
You can certainly be the first to say it on this thread...
I don't believe it!
I was trying to understand Crypto, NFTs etc. when I recalled those surreal jokes that abounded in the 70's-80's (The bakery and the bicycle for example).
I've had to conclude surreality is more believable.
Re: I don't believe it!
I don't remember the jokes you mentioned. Could you share them?
*Hands you a pair of pints: one to lubricate your brain to help the memories return, another to whet your whistle in order to give them voice*
Thanks!
They won't sell many...
They won't sell many if they are as plain as the examples in the video.
This is more like it: [1]https://www.popsci.com/animals/new-fairy-wrasse-fish-identified/
[Icon: blue background means he's underwater!]
[1] https://www.popsci.com/animals/new-fairy-wrasse-fish-identified/
Items of artwork from the museum will then be sold as NFT purchases to raise cash to fund a documentary series on the topic along with other environmental awareness projects.
Anyone who reads [1]yesterday's story about NFTs will realise that:
A) It may raise cash for the documentary series but the NFT is totally Fungible when it comes to crooks selling off you toss-pot asset, so will never see the supposed rise in value.
B) If they are interested in environmental awareness, they would not be using NFTs in the first place owing to the computing power (and concomitant waste) involved.
And...
Don't you just love boffins. Especially the ones who tell the truth instead of what they may or may not have been paid to say.
[1] https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/15/rarible-flaw-nft/
I can't shake the feeling that NFTs are for hipster cork sniffers who just want to be able to say they "own" it.
As for crypto, I'm putting no faith in anything thats value is essentially tied to Elon Musk's tweets.
More like they're for hipster griffsters than cork sniffers.
Opinion
... an unfair and totally unfounded opinion that NFTs are a load of horse-puckey.
I have a different opinion, albeit along more or less the same lines:
NFTs are a load of bullshit whipped up by the usual shysters to con gullible idiots with too much money in their pockets.
Unfair?
Maybe, my opinions sometimes are.
Unfounded?
Well ...
Ask the AH who put up 2.9M last year to purchase one to see if he could shaft someone with it further on to make some easy money at their expense.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/apr/14/twitter-nft-jack-dorsey-sina-estavi
Unfounded indeed.
Whatever you celebrate these days, have a good week-end.
O.
Re: Opinion
I'd just like to add my congratulation to our sub-editor for the expression "horse-puckey". I had never heard or read this expression before. Is it similar to "monkey tennis"?
(In my original copy, I wrote "bollocks", which is no longer acceptable.)
Re: Opinion
Bollocks! Bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks...
Re: Opinion
It's apparently an alternative to "horse-hockey". Presumably played by geldings.
Re: Opinion
It's apparently an alternative to "horse-hockey". Presumably played by geldings.
More like "road apples" or horse droppings.
Available online?
Is there a video of this event available? I've got some popcorn handy...
On the mention of the KLF, can we be expecting some articles on Discordianism and Operation Mind**** in the future, Mr Dabbs?
Re: Available online?
I recorded the audio but for some inexplicable reason 57 minutes of the hour-long event was recorded as complete silence on my phone. Good job I was taking notes. Anyway, it was all in French.
Re: Available online?
Tant pis.
Save the oceans
On the basis that an NFT is just a computer file, if you want to save the oceans, wouldn't be better to just wear clothes made of natural fibres (to avoid plastic particulates when laundering) and make a donation to the relevant charities?
The what happens when is no longer hypothetical...
One of the first NFT games "F1 Delta" shut down with a days notice last month.
The company behind it are apparently going to offer compensation in the form of similar NFTs in another game. And that's a best case scenario, they could easily have just shut down totally.
As for resale value, well good luck with trying to sell any of that on!
Selling NFTs is a new way to fund environmental film missions
I think the key to understanding this is to look at the nature of the environmental film missions that they will be funding themselves to go on, once they've publicised their worthy cause enough for sufficient numbers of mugs concerned citizens to have purchased their NFTs.
Will "Ocean Collective" be braving the rough Winter seas off Greenland to make documentaries about the damage being done to some rare species of brown seaweed that can only be found there? Or will they perhaps conclude that their cause is best served by heroically sacrificing their time cruising round the Caribean for a couple of years filming the brightly coloured photogenic marine life there, subsisting on little more than sweet rum cocktails and other such deprivations?
NFT in this case surely stands for Numerous Free Tickets.
NFT - Not Fucking there.
- Nice Fucking Try.
- Nine Farting Trees.
Sorry - ran out of ideas there.
I work in a very big university. I am a lecturer - a senior lecturer, no less, in STEM. I do not understand cryptocurrencies or NFTs. I do, however, have very smart colleagues on the computer science side of things sho do understand these things, and say, with a single voice, that they are useless scams.
A few years back some people who know even less about it than me said that we should put all our student records on a blockchain. When asked how this would improve on the database we have been running, in one form or another, for a hundred years, they went very quiet.
I full on laughed at a guest speaker at some event I went to a few years ago where he was standing there extolling the virtues of "the blockchain" (that's what he called it), how the blockchain can perform iterative functions, how the blockchain can have triggers in it to trigger external events and processes and lots of similarly wonderful total bullshit.
He was not amused when I stated that "the blockchain", or more accurately a block chain, was nothing more than an algorithmic approach to storing data and had no advantages but lots of disadvantages unless there were a large number of distributed systems holding the entire database. Adding to this that there no concurrent controls over such a distributed database and almost no security either. He was not even able to describe what "the blockchain" actually was, nor able to argue when I got fed up with his bullshit and just told him straight that he had no idea what he was talking about.
I similarly squashed a suggestion about converting an in-house database into a blockchain data store: absolutely no advantages but lots of disadvantages.
It's scams all the way down
The physical art market is a scam which relies upon artists and art critics developing a 'reputation' for their art which looks like a child painted it.
The electronic art market is a scam where artists who can't create physical art try to get money for their photoshopped work.
NFTs are a scam which promise resale value for screenshots.
NFT providers are a scam who get into and go out of business without any regulation.
Just look at Sina Estavi who bought Jack Dorsey's first tweet for $2.9m, offered it for sale at $48m, and got a high bid of $277.
Re: It's scams all the way down
Thing is, OK art (or Art) will never have much intrinsic value. And much of the value it does have is fashion lead (anyone who's ever watched a few episodes of Bargain Hunt will have seen one of those times when the auctioneer will be saying of some beautiful object "10 years ago that would have fetched £900 at auction, but now it's only worth about £3.50). But a physical object does have some intrinsic value and some possibly subjective but real intangible value (aesthetic value if you like).
This is considerable less so if it's a piece of art designed to shock or incite you. Think Banksy, who's stuff is clever graffiti,stencil sprayed on a wall. Even less intrinsic value if it's a digital design that can be endlessly reproduced. But if it's just an NFT, knocked out because it's, well, saleable the intrinsic value is nil. As to the aesthetic value, hmmm. There seem to be a lot more NFTs than there are talented creators wanting to produce actual Art in the form of NFTs....
Re: It's scams all the way down
Given the amount of art which is either forged, faked, or simply made in a style similar enough to the alleged original artist that it can't be told apart without extreme investigation into its materials, age, previous owners, sales history and in some cases final appeal to a self-appointed panel of experts in that particular artist;
and given the difference in 'value' between such articles if they are pronounced 'original';
it's clear that the art market is nothing about collecting art, and everything about collecting artists.
So it's not just me.
I'm still trying to see how NFTs aren't an utterly brilliant pyramid scheme. Brilliant because there isn't even anything to sell.
Re: So it's not just me.
It's the same with shares, every month I supposedly bought an ownership stake in America's 500 biggest companies. But when I went to the supermarket and asked them for my bit of Kraft-Heinz they looked at me like I was mad.
I'm beginning to think this joint stock company stuff is all a big scam.
I think I'll stick to investing directly in ventures, some chap has a scheme for extracting sunlight from cucumbers - but the details are all a bit hush-hush at the moment
Re: So it's not just me.
I suggest people investigate where the sunlight comes from and try to put the cucumbers as close as possible to that source!
My get rich quick scheme!
OK, still hammering out details, but I'm gonna find a way to connect dubious weight loss claims to the block chain, with the before and after photos as NFTed images.
Oh let the money roll in! It's the American Dream ©!
"investing in NFTs"
Can I just be the first to say that buying cryptocurrencies isn't investing; it's gambling.