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Deutsche Bank seeks options as sanctions threaten Russian dev unit

(2022/03/04)


International trade sanctions threaten to cut off Deutsche Bank from its near-shore IT support and software development unit in Russia following the invasion of Ukraine.

The global bank's Russian technology centre employs around 1,500 staff, including software developers and systems maintenance experts who work on its global trading business and main corporate banking system.

According to [1]The Financial Times , the €25bn revenue bank is weighing up options as sanctions threaten to cut off the centre of expertise from the rest of its operations.

Bad situation... relying on a tech centre in a country that Europe has had fragile relations with for decades

"No quotes can make it out to the market, no negotiations can make it back from the market without passing through this software," one executive told The FT. "Trading is complicated and requires real-time support every day... without co-operation from the Russian teams things could start to go wrong almost immediately."

It is understood systems are based in the EU and the Russian centre does not store client or operational data.

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A Deutsche Bank spokesperson told The Register : "Russia is just one of multiple tech centres that we have around the world. Clearly, the Ukraine invasion will have an impact on the bank, as it will on many companies. But we have rigorously tested our operational resiliency and are confident that the day to day running of our trading business will not be affected.

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"We have no code and no data housed in the Russia tech centre."

However, sources say the bank had put itself in a "bad situation" by "relying on a tech centre in a country that Europe has had fragile relations with for decades." Another senior manager said reliance on the Russian IT operation was "a big mess."

[5]UK regulators to scrutinise cloud resilience in response to financial services sector's reliance on the fluffy stuff

[6]Deutsche Bank stuffs Oracle systems in on-prem cloud while Google scoops lion's share of white fluffy workloads

[7]US-based hard disk drive suppliers face further scrutiny over whether they've shipped proscribed HDDs to Huawei

[8]Europe considers making it law that your boss can't bug you outside of office hours

The bank has worked to reduce its reliance on Russian IT companies for the last three years as well as cutting its IT headcount there. But it is still attempting a fast-track "knowledge transfer" from developers in Russia to Europe and US-based tech professionals as it prepares for Russia potentially being cut off, the sources said.

Last year, Deutsche Bank [9]announced plans to migrate its Oracle systems onto a single instance of Big Red's on-premises cloud. It decided to upgrade its existing database systems and migrate the bulk of its Oracle database estate to Oracle Exadata Cloud@Customer, an on-premises deployment option of the Oracle Exadata Cloud Service.

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Oracle customers have generally tried to avoid Big Red for cloud infrastructure because of its high cost, one observer told us. Deutsche Bank is also hedging its bets following a [11]2020 market match-making exercise with AWS, Microsoft, and Google (spoiler alert: it picked Google) to address a sprawling IT estate dating back to the 1990s. ®

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[1] https://www.ft.com/content/b3d93001-ab0b-43e1-a7f0-f3e2500a6da2

[2] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2YiJFv-OE0L1oQ5VO-HoZ3AAAAEE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0

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[5] https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/11/uk_financial_cloud_dependence/

[6] https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/25/deutsche_bank_consolidates_oracle_systems/

[7] https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/12/us_hdd_export_probe/

[8] https://www.theregister.com/2021/01/27/europe_working_time/

[9] https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/25/deutsche_bank_consolidates_oracle_systems/

[10] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44YiJFv-OE0L1oQ5VO-HoZ3AAAAEE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2020/07/07/deutsche_bank_google/

[12] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



iron

> Russian technology centre employs around 1,500 staff, including software developers

> "We have no code and no data housed in the Russia tech centre."

Bullshit. Where you have devs they have a local copy of the code.

Yet Another Anonymous coward

Perhaps they just have 1500devs filling in TPS reports

Phones Sheridan

> "We have no code and no data housed in the Russia tech centre."

And while we're at it, could I sell you one of the bridges in London?

BOFH in Training

Exactly, either they have the full code for whatever they working on, or at least the code for whichever component they working on.

Either way they have code. No such thing as a developer if said developer can't access any code.

a_yank_lurker

They are trying to split hairs. The code in use is probably hosted somewhere else so they can be technically accurate for operations. But for support and development the code wranglers will have a local copy of what they need which may be a full copy of the code in production.

Slightly related note

BOFH in Training

During the Boeing MAX airplane crashes, wasnt it mentioned somewhere that Boeing has people in Russia doing development work for the aircraft?

I imagine there are many big organisations with development / IT departments (or even other departments) in Russia. Wonder how they all plan to handle this with the sanctions in place now.

Re: Slightly related note

Anonymous Coward

Wait, really? So MCAS was possibly not an accident?

Bad jokes aside, WTF? Why on Earth would you outsource to a nation with which your home country has at best an uncomfortable relation with?

Re: Slightly related note

Doctor Syntax

It was cheap. Was. The overall cost has just changed.

Re: Slightly related note

Anonymous Coward

Still, I question the decision to have code developed for airplanes by a nation in possible military contention when there was that particular incident on the September the 11th 2001, but maybe that's just my background talking.

A decade or so ago making the very suggestion could have your clearance stripped..

Re: Slightly related note

BOFH in Training

I don't think most of the "elites" / rich have much loyalty to a "home country".

They do and go where the money is.

Re: Slightly related note

Anonymous Coward

They do and go where the money is.

Would that not be " They do and go where their money is "?

Most of these places always seem to have very good weather.

Re: Slightly related note

Yet Another Anonymous coward

>Wait, really? So MCAS was possibly not an accident?

MCAS was made by Raytheon. Of course that just moves the conspiracy up a level

>Bad jokes aside, WTF? Why on Earth would you outsource to a nation with which your home country has at best an uncomfortable relation with?

1, It's cheap

2, Countries require you to build a certain proportion there to get favorable import duties

'fast-track "knowledge transfer" from developers in Russia'

alain williams

In other words "not everything is documented". This is monumentally stupid ... although commonly happens but no one speaks about it :-(

Anonymous Coward

AC for obvious reasons.

I have worked with a number of guys (and they were exclusively guys) in DB's Russian operation and they were the smart ones herding the less than smart or independent, cheaper drones in other off-shore locations. Without these guys DB will have real problems - it's not just traditional devs but lots of level 2 and 3 ops people too.

Anonymous Coward

Well, it's not like DB doesn't have a history in making bad choices. One of their customers is an orange chap with a ferret on his head who sued them when they had the temerity to ask their money back after a loan and whose entire business life is now under a microsocope for a whole raft of issues..

I ain't Spartacus

You take that back! That's all his own hair. And it's lovely! It's the greatest hair!

Anonymous Coward

Really? Then why does he need to wear a MAGA hat to stop it from escaping?

:)

Yet Another Anonymous coward

>That's all his own hair

It was, now it's collateral on a loan some Russians

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