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50 US airports to be surrounded by 5G C-band-free zones

(2022/01/10)


Live close to an airport in US and have a 5G handset? The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has released a promised list of major American airports to be surrounded by buffer zones that won't have 5G-C band service.

The tech is slated to go live on January 19th.

The selected 50 airports – which include JFK, LAX and SFO – were chosen based on traffic volume, number of low-visibility days and geographic location, [1]said the FAA in a canned statement.

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The buffer zones are designed to keep wireless signals and aircraft separate following reports that the 3.7 GHz band used by the 5G C-band could harmfully [3]interfere with civilian aircraft radar altimeters.

[4]Did you look up? New Year's Day boom over Pittsburgh was exploding meteor, says NASA

[5]UK's Civil Aviation Authority hashing out rules for crash-proof cargo pods on drones

[6]T-Mobile US figuring out international roaming on 5G

[7]Nothing's working, and I've checked everything, so it must be YOUR fault

The wireless companies, meaning AT&T and Verizon as they won almost all the C-band spectrum contracts, have agreed to turn off transmitters near the 50 airports for six months "to minimize potential 5G interference with sensitive aircraft instruments used in low-visibility landings."

However, the CEOs of thre two companies have [8]denied that 5G could be dangerous for aircraft operations as the C-band frequencies (3.7 - 3.8 GHz) operate far enough below altimeters (4.2 – 4.4 GHz) to not present a problem.

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Should AT&T CEO John Stankey and Verizon CEO Hans Vestberg be wrong, 50 airports may seem worryingly insufficiently comprehensive, but some airports didn't make the list because the 5G-C band service isn't actually available there.

The technology was originally scheduled for switch-on on 5 December but this date was pushed back twice over safety concerns, with operators negotiating with the FAA on subsequent rollout dates. ®

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[1] https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-statements-5g

[2] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/networks&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2Ydy6lq5ZRPlmM4-FUKee6gAAANI&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0

[3] https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/08/aircraft_5g_interference/

[4] https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/05/pittsburgh_meteor_explosion_nasa/

[5] https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/22/crashproof_cargo_pods_drones/

[6] https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/11/tmobile_5g_roaming/

[7] https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/07/on_call/

[8] https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/04/att_and_verizon_delay_5g/

[9] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/networks&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44Ydy6lq5ZRPlmM4-FUKee6gAAANI&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[10] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



Billing credit?

Borg.King

I live on the flight path into the two major airports listed in Seattle - do you think Verizon will give me a credit for not having full 5G service in my location?

Re: Billing credit?

Tomato Krill

Yes

Sorry, I mean no.

Re: Billing credit?

ShadowSystems

Find all the articles you can about that fact, print them out, & take them to your nearest physical store. Drop them on the counter, point out that you live in the exclusion zone, & ask for a refund of your supposedly unavailable 5G service.

Either they will lie & claim you CAN get 5G service & there's nothing to worry about, or they will say they'll look into the matter. Either way, refuse to leave without said claim in writing, signed & dated by the highest level employee available. Said employee won't be authorized to make comittments on behalf of the company, but it begins the paper trail by which you can braid the rope you later use to hang them by.

Give them no more than thirty (30) days to come up with the billing credit, then complain again in writing. Continue to complain in writing, retaining all their written crap in reply, until you get the "permanent" reduction of your bill.

If they refuse, send said paper trail to your local newspaper's consumer advocate/letters to the editor section. It's not quite like the guy that spent a bucket of money to get his question published in a major national paper to dropkick his ISP into getting their ass in gear, but it may have the same effect.

You can also, if you have such accounts, post to the various social media outlets to publicly name & shame the carrier into publicly making it right.

*Hands you a bottle of extra strength anti-headache medacin*

I'd offer you a pint to wash those down, but booze is contra-indicated for most pharmaceuticals. =-/

Re: Billing credit?

DS999

Who says you're entitled to 5G using C band where you live just because they had planned to make it available and have to delay for six months? There are plenty of other 5G frequencies that have or will be made available other than those, and they might even speed up the deployment of some in areas that have to delay C band deployment.

So in your airplane seatback...

spold

...there will now be a tinfoil hat as well as the sickbag?

Re: So in your airplane seatback...

ShadowSystems

In a cost saving move that surprises noone, the two items will be combined into one. =-Jp

Simply stunning

Snake

"The buffer zones are designed to keep wireless signals and aircraft separate following reports that the 3.7 GHz band used by the 5G C-band could harmfully interfere with civilian aircraft radar altimeters."

The level of stupidity in today's world is simply STUNNING. Can *anyone* give me a believable reason why the 5G C-band wasn't tested for possible interference with ANY existing important infrastructure BEFORE the FCC even bothered to initiate the spectrum sale?? And then the development of the 5G C-band standards?? And then during the development of the actual electronic transceivers??

No wonder the world is fscked up. The people in charge only manage, on a reoccurring basics, to show how utterly incompetent they are. Nothing, not even not working according to plans, shall interfere...with the promise of grand future profits.

Re: Simply stunning

DS999

Because there are hundreds of MHz separating the 5G frequencies from the frequencies used by aircraft and it was assumed no aircraft could be using equipment so crappy it would be affected?

nobody1111

Ok, calm down. The word "interfere" can have lots of meanings. In this case it is not what most people mean by "interfere". The two services are on two different bands and would normally not be a problem.

The issue is due to some of the aircraft receivers are overly sensitive to out-of-band transmissions. Google "front end overload" for discussions of the type of issue we are dealing with. The telcos are arguing that their equipment is producing a clean signal within their assigned band. Which appears to be true. They are then saying that it isn't their fault some aircraft have (arguably) defective equipment. Which is a valid point.

The airlines are complaining because they bought equipment the FAA approved as safe and now all of a sudden it may not work due to the Telco's action. Which is also a valid argument, though I think it is a bit weak.

There are two simple fixes. The telcos can spend a lot of money and purchase and install special antennas that will not allow any emissions above a certain height. Or the airlines can spend a lot of money purchase and install new equipment without this weakness. The battle isn't over the problem. The battle is over who will pay for it.

There goes the target market

My other car WAS an IAV Stryker

Who has money to spend on 5G hardware? People who probably fly a lot (either Important-Business/Govmint-People or Frequent-Vacationers). And where do they want 5G the most? The airport, naturally, when they're either catching up from their previous flight or doing Super Important Stuff before the next one. They're paying for 5G service so they don't have to purchase premium airport WiFi that's better than the "free" tier for the commoners. This agreement will certainly not make these customers happy.

Which makes me wonder: Will the terminal structure serve as an attenuator if AT&T/Verizon install 5G C-band antennas *inside* the airport terminals?

Yow! Now I get to think about all the BAD THINGS I did to a BOWLING
BALL when I was in JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL!