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Swiss lab's rooftop demo shows sunlight and air can make fuel

(2021/11/10)


Scientists in Switzerland claim to have proved it is possible to create fuel from air and sunlight in the first field experiment of its kind.

In a week where nations grapple with climate policy in an effort to curb the worst excesses of global warming at the COP26 summit, the pilot system demonstrates an important possible source of carbon-neutral fuel for industries struggling to decarbonise, such as aviation and shipping, which currently contribute around 8 per cent of total carbon dioxide emissions attributed to human activity.

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But, producing 32 millilitres of methanol in a typical seven-hour-day run, the current proof of concept will require investment and a policy shift to compete with fossil fuels.

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The technique, [5]described in a peer-reviewed early access version of the paper in science journal Nature earlier this month, captures carbon dioxide and water directly from ambient air. They are then fed into a solar redox unit which is heated to 1,500˚C using an umbrella-like parabolic sunlight collector. The inside of the reactor employs cerium oxide in a two-step thermochemical process. Firstly, cerium oxide is reduced, and oxygen is released. In the second step, CO 2 and water are added to a mixture of hydrogen and carbon monoxide. The cerium oxide then absorbs oxygen, oxidizes and returns to its initial state, allowing the process to begin again.

The output mix – also known as syngas – is fed into a gas-to-liquid unit where it is converted to methanol, although such units can convert the gases into kerosene, gasoline, or other liquid fuels.

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Given the high investment needed to scale such technology, the output would cost vastly more than commercial aviation fuel and would need policy support to be viable, according to the research group led by Professor Aldo Steinfeld of ETG Zurich.

"Bringing such solar fuels to the market will require substantial process optimization and upscaling, and this should be supported by policy schemes that enable market introduction at commercial scale," the paper said.

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With investment, the researchers estimate that the technique could produce 95,000 litres of kerosene a day – enough to fuel an Airbus A350 carrying 325 passengers for a London-New York roundtrip – from a 3.8km 2 field.

Co-sourcing water and CO 2 from the air means the system could operate without a fresh water supply, making it suitable for desert locations, thus avoiding impact on agriculture, human population or areas rich in wildlife. Just half a per cent of the Sahara Desert could support the world's total aviation kerosene consumption of around 400 billion litres per year, for example, the researchers claim.

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Hmmmm

IGotOut

"making it suitable for desert locations, thus avoiding impact on agriculture, human population or areas rich in wildlife."

Of course the better option is to get desert areas back to being green areas.

Re: Hmmmm

Danny 2

[1]Celebrating 10-Years at the Greening the Desert Project, Jordan

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI9wMtTvWps

Re: Hmmmm

claimed

I was thinking that there is a lot less water in the air in the Sahara than in Switzerland...

Ethanol

Dr_N

If they can switch it to generate 30-odd ml of Ethanol a day I can see a more realistic alternate use for it

Been there, done that

Yet Another Anonymous coward

I have a system which combines sunlight and air to make bio fuel growing on my roof - it's called moss

Re: Been there, done that

Neil Barnes

I was thinking... isn't this what a tree does?

Re: Been there, done that

Yet Another Anonymous coward

Even better grow grapes or hops.

Turns sunlight and air into booze

Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells

Imagine if you could make petrol out of sunlight and air. The greenies would be devastated.

Stork

This greenie wouldn’t

Nope

Al fazed

Neither would this one, I am still a petro head at heart.

ALF

"... because of all the sand which is there"

Mike 137

" Just half a per cent of the Sahara Desert could support the world's total aviation kerosene consumption "

Except for the drifting sand, that gets into and clogs up everything. It's not at all clear how this could be avoided. Nevertheless as a potential technology, it's pretty clever. and I'm sure there are other places it could be deployed.

Re: "... because of all the sand which is there"

Anonymous Coward

Which is pretty much why country-sized solar farms in the Sahara are not a thing.

Apparently the tech doesn't take kindly to being regularly sandblasted!

Re: "... because of all the sand which is there"

John Sager

Also, protecting the area. It's not renowned for bein politically stable.

To be fair

tony72

If only one could think of a cabal of space-obsessed tech billionaires looking to invest some spare change.

Far be it from me to defend billionaires, but I'll point out that Bezos has the Bezos Earth Fund, and Musk set up a $100 million climate change prize, for example. It's not as if they *only* spend their money on space toys.

Perhaps

AMBxx

Could we use this to power a cold fusion reactor?

Policy shift from whom? The Gods of physics?

Androgynous Cupboard

> With investment, the researchers estimate that the technique could produce 95,000 litres of kerosene a day – enough to fuel an Airbus A350 carrying 325 passengers for a London-New York roundtrip – from a 3.8km2 fie

OK, I'll bite.

95,000l of kerosene per day is 95000*35 = 3325GJ or so, from 3.8km2, that's 878kJ/m2 - about 300Wh/m2 per day. They mention deserts; lets say 6 hours of insolation, that's 50Wh/m2. But a typical PV yields 150-200W per m2 for the same period. And if you want something you can burn, convert water to hydrogen then to ammonia for transport - 50% loss, you're still looking at about 75Wh/m2

That's a back of the envelope scribble but I don't think I'm massively out. I suppose this one doesn't require liquid water as input, that's nice, I guess. But otherwise it needs the same sun as PV so is going to vie for the same locations. And anyway, hydrogen is a poor option unless you're trying to fuel a large vehicle or an industrial furnace. Most of the time it's electricity you want and PV gets you straight there.

Re: Policy shift from whom? The Gods of physics?

Alan Brown

"Most of the time it's electricity you want and PV gets you straight there"

Electricity ties you to a practical limit of 1000km from point of generation

Raw hydrogen is a bitch to work with and store. There are sound reasons nature's factories have taken the efficiency hit of binding it with carbon over the last 3 billion years - and the results of doing so are vastly easier to transport

Re: Policy shift from whom? The Gods of physics?

Androgynous Cupboard

Fair point on the cable limits, but in a perfect world that's less of an issue. And yes, raw Hydrogen is a problem which is why I added another 20% cost to go from H to NH 3 .

Ideally we'd have a mesh of generators. High volage DC from PV coming in from the Sahara to south-of-france (the "David McKay" scheme, don't recall the name, although I know it hit problems), freeing France's reactors to sell on to us and Germany, unless our wind is flowing or we can buy surplus hydropower cheaper from Norway.

Energy storage over time is hard; energy storage over space, i.e. shifting your sources around based on cost and who is generating, is great. A rare agreement between physics and market economics.

`Lasu' Releases SAG 0.3 -- Freeware Book Takes Paves For New World Order
by staff writers

Helsinki, Finland, August 6, 1995 -- In a surprise movement, Lars
``Lasu'' Wirzenius today released the 0.3 edition of the ``Linux System
Administrators' Guide''. Already an industry non-classic, the new
version sports such overwhelming features as an overview of a Linux
system, a completely new climbing session in a tree, and a list of
acknowledgements in the introduction.
The SAG, as the book is affectionately called, is one of the
corner stones of the Linux Documentation Project. ``We at the LDP feel
that we wouldn't be able to produce anything at all, that all our work
would be futile, if it weren't for the SAG,'' says Matt Welsh, director
of LDP, Inc.
The new version is still distributed freely, now even with a
copyright that allows modification. ``More dough,'' explains the author.
Despite insistent rumors about blatant commercialization, the SAG will
probably remain free. ``Even more dough,'' promises the author.
The author refuses to comment on Windows NT and Windows 96
versions, claiming not to understand what the question is about.
Industry gossip, however, tells that Bill Gates, co-founder and CEO of
Microsoft, producer of the Windows series of video games, has visited
Helsinki several times this year. Despite of this, Linus Torvalds,
author of the word processor Linux with which the SAG was written, is
not worried. ``We'll have world domination real soon now, anyway,'' he
explains, ``for 1.4 at the lastest.''
...
-- Lars Wirzenius <wirzeniu@cs.helsinki.fi>
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