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Alternative search providers write letter to EU complaining that Google antitrust action achieved diddly-squat

(2021/10/07)


Interview Four search providers – DuckDuckGo, Ecosia, Qwant, and Lilo – have penned an open letter to the European Commission claiming that Google is suppressing search engine competition.

The EU has made a number of efforts to counter Google's search monopoly, including a July 2018 [1]fine and ruling that the company engaged in "illegal tying of Google's search and browser apps" and "illegal payments conditional on exclusive pre-installation of Google Search."

Google [2]responded with some licensing changes. In August 2019, it agreed with the EU to provide an [3]Android Choice screen , which included selling spots on the new menu via auction – leading to participants like privacy-centric DuckDuckGo [4]complaining that they were priced out.

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Google's new Android Choice screen

The Android Choice screen has since been revised by further agreement with the European Commission, and [6]now features more options and free participation. The new choice screen includes up to 12 search services, with the five most popular search engines in the local country listed first, as [7]recorded by StatCounter , and is free for search providers.

Third-party search providers are not happy. Today's [8]open letter [PDF] states that "despite recent changes, we do not believe it will move market share significantly." The providers say that the new Android Choice menu is "only shown once, in a Google-designed, Google-owned onboarding process. If [users] later decide to switch defaults, they must labour through 15+ clicks or factory-reset their phone." They also complain that Chrome desktop and other operating systems are not included, and worry that "it doesn't apply to all search aspects points in Android."

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The providers ask that Google should be banned from having default search access points in operating systems and browsers, and ask that "consumers are able to one-click switch at any time via prompts from competing search engine apps or websites."

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Is that not a recipe for chaos, like the bad old days when users would inadvertently install new toolbars into Internet Explorer and end up with dozens of them and web browsing slowed to a crawl; or the file association wars in Windows when users would find PDF files opening in some strange new applications, because changing defaults was too easy?

"There are very few actual search companies," said Christian Kroll, founder and CEO of German tree-planting search engine Ecosia, speaking to The Register . "It's basically the companies that have signed the letter, plus Bing... I see there could be abuse but if you whitelist a few providers and set clear rules I think the problem can be solved."

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Kroll is also concerned that Google exploits the slow pace of the EU's legislative process. Ecosia complained about the original Android Choice process "from the very first day when we saw the auction model, and that was more than two years go.

"In the meantime, at least one search company went bankrupt. A German company called Cliqz invested €100m into building their own search algorithm and they went bankrupt. Google playing on time is a big problem."

Cliqz said in its [13]farewell post last year : "We failed to convince the political stakeholders, that Europe desperately needs an own independent digital infrastructure. Here we can only hope that someone else picks up the ball... the world needs a private search engine that is not just using Bing or Google in the backend."

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In Russia, Kroll said: "Yandex went down to a 20 per cent market share. Then they had a real choice screen on a fixed date and it went back to 60 per cent. I'm not saying we should do everything like Russia does, but it shows that it can have an effect."

Kroll's figures do not quite match what Statcounter reports, but there was a substantial bump in Yandex share on mobile when this [15]choice screen , placing Yandex first, was introduced.

Barriers to rivals

According to Kroll, Google puts many barriers in the way of competing search engines. On Chrome, he said, if users want Ecosia as the default search engine, "the only real way is to install an extension. You have to click many times, and if you get there, Google keeps showing warning prompts like 'do you really want to keep this search engine?' and they highlight the No button.

[16]Tiananmen Square Tank Man vanishes from Microsoft Bing, DuckDuckGo, other search engines – even in America

[17]What the FLoC? Browser makers queue up to decry Google's latest ad-targeting initiative as invasive tracking

[18]It doesn't really matter how many of us gripe about Google, nothing can stop it printing billions of dollars

[19]DuckDuckGo cries fowl after being expunged from Google's Android search preferences menu for most of Europe

"The other thing Google is doing is whenever they don't own an ecosystem they just pay whatever money it takes to become the default search provider. Especially Safari. $15bn. They're paying to ensure that no other competitor can enter into the market... we've seen very slow momentum on the regulatory side."

Kroll believes there should be more transparency. "Many users don't understand how this works, that the search preinstall is an advertisement. There is no information that you are generating money for Apple."

Is Ecosia concerned about Microsoft's efforts to push users towards Bing by building search into the Start menu used for application launching, which is even more apparent in the new Windows 11?

"Yes, we're concerned about all those platform things. Google would lose more users than we do, of course," said Kroll.

Without Bing, all the non-Google engines would be screwed

There is nuance around the situation with Bing. Microsoft may be playing its own tricks to promote Bing, but without Bing there would be even less competition for Google in Europe and the USA.

"We use Bing, I think DuckDuckGo also uses Bing, but we add certain layers of information on top of it," said Kroll.

Building a rival ecosystem to make an alternative search engine succeed "would cost billions," he said, and "even that doesn't guarantee that you're successful because you still don't have access to the market. That's why Cliqz went bankrupt."

Ecosia therefore has a revenue-sharing business model with Microsoft for Bing. "I'm not allowed to say how much that is," said the Ecosia CEO.

The existence of Bing, then, is important to all these other search providers? "It's absolutely essential, yes," said Kroll. "There's no independent search engine really, other than Google and Bing."

Given the potential influence of search engines over decisions that matter, such as political questions, or the effectiveness of a COVID vaccine, are they too important to leave with commercial companies? "I absolutely agree," said Kroll. "It's critical infrastructure and should be treated that way. And at the moment, it isn't." ®

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[1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_18_4581

[2] https://www.blog.google/around-the-globe/google-europe/complying-ecs-android-decision/

[3] https://www.blog.google/around-the-globe/google-europe/update-android-search-providers-europe/

[4] https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/29/googles_android_search_duckduckgo/

[5] https://regmedia.co.uk/2021/10/07/androidchoice.jpg

[6] https://blog.google/around-the-globe/google-europe/changes-android-choice-screen-europe/

[7] https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/desktop-mobile-tablet/Europe

[8] https://ddg-staticcdn.s3.amazonaws.com/press/2110_Search_coalition_letter_calling_on_a_default_ban_in_DMA.pdf

[9] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/applications&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2YV8ZuzChwsfOkwq37ahZFAAAAIE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0

[10] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/applications&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44YV8ZuzChwsfOkwq37ahZFAAAAIE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[11] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/applications&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33YV8ZuzChwsfOkwq37ahZFAAAAIE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[12] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/applications&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44YV8ZuzChwsfOkwq37ahZFAAAAIE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[13] https://cliqz.com/en/magazine/farewell-from-cliqz

[14] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/applications&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33YV8ZuzChwsfOkwq37ahZFAAAAIE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[15] https://yandex.com/company/blog/choosing-yandex-search-on-android/

[16] https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/04/search_engine_tiananmen/

[17] https://www.theregister.com/2021/04/14/browser_makers_reject_google_floc/

[18] https://www.theregister.com/2021/04/27/google_q1_2021_unstoppable/

[19] https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/29/googles_android_search_duckduckgo/

[20] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



Hmmm

WolfFan

I use Duck-Duck-Go. I use it on Windows, I use it on Mac, I use it on iOS. I don’t have any Android devices, or I’d use it there, too. All Windows machines at home and work use DDG and Firefox. Macs use Safari or Firefox and DDG. IOS devices use DDG, it doesn’t matter which browser, they’re essentially all Safari. I just set up all systems that way. It’s in the default images at work.

Re: Hmmm

Ben Burch

AFAIK, DDG uses other search engines in the background, and anonymizes the accesses.

Re: Hmmm

Anonymous Coward

The article suggested DDG uses Bing. However, like the poster, I have everything set to DDG on my Macs and iDevices. Well, almost everything as I also have Edge as a second Mac browser (works better than Safari when I access one of my various Teams accounts) and that is left on Bing.

"invested €100m into building their own search algorithm"

Mike 137

Here's one for free.

A straight Boolean search of terms related by AND and OR, with the default being AND, prioritised by matched word prevalence and count in the body of the page, with the user option of ordering and narrowing by date.

So I might request "schottky diode reverse voltage" and that would return (probably fewer) more specific results than "schottky diode voltage"

Couple this with an abuse reporting mechanism and we might have a chance to find some of the more interesting content on the web for the first time in years.

Currently the above search on Gooooooooooooooooogle would return results for "schottky" plus results for "diode" plus results for "reverse" plus results for "voltage", but all selected and prioritised on the basis of what may profit Gooooooooooooooogle most. The time has come to abandon this bizarre but universal default OR relation that returns more irrelevant results the more specific you make your search term.

Actually I remember an excellent search engine called Infoseek, that worked just the way I suggested except for the time selection option.

Re: "invested €100m into building their own search algorithm"

Greybearded old scrote

You're describing the search engines before Google. Man, did they get spammed!

Google's first billion was earned by doing search very much better than anyone else. All the other billions have come from having that first billion though.

Re: "invested €100m into building their own search algorithm"

chuBb.

so you mean RTFM on any search engine since altavista?

schottky&diode&reverse|voltage

boolean operators are parsed as expected by them all

exact match just wrap in quotes as you did in your post

"schottky diode"&(cascade|reverse)&"voltage"

or in human exactly schottky diode with cascade or reverse and exactly voltage

https://help.bing.microsoft.com/apex/index/18/en-US/10002

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ydVaJJeL1EYbWtlfj9TPfBTE5IBADkQfZrQaBZxqXGs/edit

Perhaps a "open search engine" is what is needed?

Ben Burch

Could the open source community mount a search engine project?

Seems to me Google started out as a small project and only needed massive infrastructure as it grew. Perhaps that could still be done?

Re: Perhaps a "open search engine" is what is needed?

chuBb.

elasticsearch, lucene, and about a dozen other apache projects

its not as simple as build and they will come, indexing is the easy bit, optimising and making it relevant is not, and while you may be able to create a better highly niche search engine for a given topic on average bing or google will be a better more general purpose fit, and its hard to convince people of a business case that is sane when you can just let google or bing do it for you for mostly free vs employ team get nearly as good results and build and run the infrastructure

Compete on function, not whinging

Gene Cash

Is it sad that I haven't heard of 3 of the 4 search engines?

Google rose to popularity because all the others were complete shite.

Ask Jeeves, Northern Light, Altavista, Lycos, Yahoo, Excite, Dogpile are all in the gutter because their results were crap.

Bing is only around because of Microsoft's money. An example search of "motorcycle chocks" returns about 5% of what Google does and doesn't even show the vendor I went with (edit: it's not in the first TEN pages)

Re: Compete on function, not whinging

yetanotheraoc

Google is way better than Bing. But Google today is way worse than it used to be, because they already crushed those ex-competitors you mentioned, and now there is more money to made being bad than good.

Re: Compete on function, not whinging

Vometia has insomnia. Again.

Yeah. It's the IE6 of search engines. It's been crap for years because it doesn't need to be any good.

Re: Compete on function, not whinging

Duncan Macdonald

Also the Google Search page is simple without distracting visual elements - Bing on the other hand has a lot of visual crap (including full screen background pictures) which do nothing useful.

Unfortunately there is no realistic prospect of a new search engine - to create one would require an investment of billions and a long time to populate the search database before it could begin to compete with Bing or Google. (Other search providers eg DuckDuckGo are just front ends to either Bing or Google.)

Re: Compete on function, not whinging

chuBb.

Googles results page used to be simple, now i find bing to be less obnoxious and much better highlighting of ads masquerading as results, i never use its homepage so the wallpaper of the day escapes me

Re: Compete on function, not whinging

Neil Barnes

Last time I looked, the simple clean search box on Google apparently required over 200k of scripts to deliver it... really?

Reality is nothing but a collective hunch.
-- Lily Tomlin