Reason 3,995 to hold off on that Windows 11 upgrade: Iffy performance on AMD silicon
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2021/10/07/windows_11_amd/
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While not yet listed on Microsoft's [2]known issues dashboard for Windows 11 , AMD has come out and said that there's a performance penalty when running "certain applications."
The first issue is a potential three-times jump in L3 cache latency. Helpfully, AMD provided a clearer explanation: "Applications sensitive to memory subsystem access time may be impacted."
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In practice, this is expected to result in a performance impact of between 3 and 5 per cent. Not so bad, until one considers "outliers" such as "games commonly used for eSports" where an impact of up to 15 per cent is possible. Less than ideal for the performance-obsessed gamer population.
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Anyway, it's not like Microsoft ever bragged about how great Windows 11 was for gaming.
Oh, wait.
FTW tech response that puts high-performance gaming front and center. 🎮💚 — Microsoft (@Microsoft) [6]October 1, 2021
Also not going to plan was functionality to schedule threads on a processor's fastest core, the impact of which would be felt more on CPUs with more than eight cores above 65W TDP (Thermal Design Power). "Applications sensitive to the performance of one or a few CPU threads," explained AMD, "may exhibit reduced performance."
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Software and Windows updates are in the works to address both issues, and AMD said it was "actively investigating" the problems with Microsoft. Resolution is expected at some point in October.
In the meantime, AMD recommended customers affected hold off from that Windows 11 upgrade. As for which of its CPUs are actually hit, it simply said: "AMD and Microsoft have determined that compatible AMD processors may exhibit reduced performance in certain applications" and [11]linked to a list of pretty much every bit of AMD silicon Microsoft had deigned to permit Windows 11 to run on. ®
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[1] https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400
[2] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/status-windows-11-21H2
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[6] https://twitter.com/Microsoft/status/1443991610581204998?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
[7] https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/07/gartner_windows_11_advice/
[8] https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/06/bypass_windows_11_requirements/
[9] https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/05/windows_11_in_detail/
[10] https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/05/windows_11/
[11] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors
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Re: Good to see
Testing?
Testing takes too long to be agile my friend. Let the end users do it.
Re: Good to see
Agile used to be a respectable project management methodology.
Then it became a religion.
Now it just means 'knock it together quick and send it out the door'
Re: Good to see
Microsoft said Windows 10 would be my last Windows version.
I'm keeping that promise for them by converting fully to Linux this year.
Re: test
'Test' is a prohibited four-letter word inside Microsoft. They leave all of that up to us poor sods.
For the past year or so, any issues that have been reported seem to be responded with 'Will Not Fix'.
My response to that is 'why bother' and go back to using Win7.
Re: test
Win 7 and security updates and I'd be happy ... colour the ui slightly differently and perhaps fiddle with the start button a bit and release it as Windows 2021 or something,
Re: Good to see
In being fair, would tightening up security often not suffer a performance penalty?
Win11 does turn on, by default, many security features and technologies not required as default on Win10. Certainly it is reasonable to believe that this, alone, will impose a performance hit?
Windows 11
sponsored by Intel?
Re: Windows 11
They also have slowdowns, according to
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/windows-11-security-gaming-application-performance-benchmarks
Virtualization-Based Security and Hypervisor-Protected Code Integrity features cause a slowdown of about 5% in testing apparently. Although they did point out that was about the performance difference between a Core i7 and a Core i9 (with a 35% cost difference).
Well, I didn't really need any more reasons to hold off for a bit on upgrading. I was always going to wait at least three months to let the people with more time to waste iron out the kinks, but now I'm thinking a year may be a better idea...
Remember when ...
An OS ran quite adequately on a 2MHz 8-bit 8080?
Re: Remember when ...
..and using Visual Studio and ReSharper it sometimes feels like that's what I'm actually running on instead of an i7-6700 with 32GB of RAM.
"Not so bad"
You've obviously not been exposed to how rabid a lot of FPS gamers are, even the "casual" ones. They'll spend bucks on a monitor, keyboard or a mouse that "reacts quicker" and 3%/5% would be absolutely unacceptable.
Actually I don't see why anyone should have to deal with lower performance at all, gamer or not. Can you imagine the reaction to asking airlines to accept 3%/5% poorer fuel economy in a new jet? Memory access speeds impact spreadsheets as much as it impacts games.
This is what spare drives are for
I'm going to install this to a spare SSD
So that I can suss what there is to see.
With nothing to fear from errors and such,
I'll find out if problems are just too much--
Or, if it works out as well as MS doth say,
I can always upgrade on another day.
--Burma Shave
Why?
Why am I not surprised BaaD 11 has serious issues because the Rejects of Redmond are idiots.
Good to see
Microsoft has done lots of testing of Windows 11 on various architectures prior to releasing it. Oh wait...