Sir Tim Berners-Lee and the BBC stage a very British coup to rescue our data from Facebook and friends
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You'd think that the source of this data – that's us – could have some say in how it's used. Some practical way to control, monitor, decide who gets it and what they do with it. There are regulations, but do you feel protected by them? Cookie options not cutting it for you? Didn't think so. We are the means of production, but we don't control it. Time for a revolution, comrades, but if the corporations won't help and the regulators can't, where do we look? How about the BBC?
The BBC has some odd quirks. It has a commitment to make things better for its users – us again – and parts of it take that very seriously. One such part is BBC R&D, a world-class if much diminished collection of engineers and innovators who work on the tech behind the screens and speakers. These days, that mostly means helping create [2]standards for digital broadcasting , including all the online and data things that go with it.
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BBC R&D discovered it too didn't much like the way personal data was in the hands of the wrong people. That got in the way of creating better public value from the internet, and the BBC worries about these things.
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Public service broadcasting in the 21st century means public service internet. So, in 2017 it started a project called Databox with Nottingham University, using [6]ideas kicked off by some cat called [7]Sir Tim Berners-Lee , who's apparently got some track record here. Two years later, work started on prototypes and [8]last week BBC R&D put out a report on what the first testers thought of it all.
[9]Calculating the big picture: Future HPC efforts will soon see off its von Neumann past
[10]It's the end of the world as we know it, and we should feel fine
[11]Apple's iPhone computer vision has the potential to preserve privacy but also break it completely
[12]Windows 11 still doesn't understand our complex lives – and it hurts
[13]Big Blue's big email blues signal terminal decline – unless it learns to migrate itself
The idea is simple. You keep your personal data stored on an edge device you control. This can be a phone app or an actual appliance. It implements the three strands of what's called Human Data Interaction, HDI, the philosophy at the heart of it all. These three ideas are: legibility, agency and negotiation.
Legibility says you must be able to see and understand what your data is and what's happening to it, including when it's eaten by pesky algorithms. Agency says you get to control what data is kept and what happens to it – not just opt-in and opt-out, but how it's collected and stored. You get to modify it, and what inferences you allow to be drawn. Negotiability says you can see and control the social implications of your data use, and be able to get value from it. Yes, you get to say what you want in return for your data.
It doesn't matter what sort of a superbrain data ninja you are, these are not powers easily gained – if at all – for the vast majority of personal data you are shedding every time you do stuff online. Imagine what it would be like if you could. Berners-Lee calls it turning the world the right way up, and handing control back not just to the ninjas but to everyone.
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The first service tested is a recommendation engine that talks to Spotify, Netflix and the BBC. It imports usage data from all three, then creates a unified media usage list and a local profile that exports information to the services to let them suggest things you might like to watch or hear. That doesn't sound any different to what happens now: the crucial part is that you control what you store and send. The services get a better way to recommend content, but never sees the full picture they'd get if they shared that data among themselves. You decide what they need to do their job, they don't skim extra off the top.
The researchers say that the test audience that has used the system – young people who don't spend much time on the BBC particularly – was positive. Audience members liked the control and visibility it gave them; they understood the need to manage personal data but didn't understand how to do it. This unlocked that door. The purpose of the service – to make better recommendations – worked out too.
So yes, content management is better. And? The thing is, the HDI principles that the BBC is testing here apply to all data – like the web itself, they're standards which don't care what sort of data they're dealing with. Financial, behavioral, interpersonal, you name it – if someone's making money by abusing it, this can stop it.
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If it all works, then so what? Why would Facebook hand over the control panel of its oil wells to the oil itself? The researchers point out that there are plenty of business models and applications that work just fine in the new system. Most importantly, if new, usable standards are developed and adopted anywhere, they're available for users to demand – and for regulators to stipulate.
Tech regulation stinks when the market gets ahead of the regulators, who don't have the resources or knowledge to keep ahead of ravaging behemoths. If the right tools are available, they'll use them. And this can become the right tool.
We do need a revolution that puts the power in the hands of the people, but we probably don’t want to shoot the Czar and his family. A more equitable sharing of power and value, more transparency and accountability, and the ability to say "no" will be disruptive, but in the right way. It's about time we made Google read our terms and conditions – and the world's finest public service broadcaster is on our side. Be rude not to. ®
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[1] https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/30/which_data_survey/
[2] https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/about/standards
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[6] https://solidproject.org/
[7] https://www.theregister.com/2018/11/01/tim_berners_lee_internet_giants/
[8] https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2021-09-personal-data-store-research
[9] https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/27/hpc_future/
[10] https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/20/lessons_from_clive_sinclair/
[11] https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/16/ai_vision_apple/
[12] https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/12/windows_11_still_doesnt_understand/
[13] https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/05/ibm_opinion_column/
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Re: BBC
Do you actually watch or listen to anything the BBC broadcasts?
Re: BBC
Interesting I've heard Tory supporters would disagree with that. So I guess we're safe to say the BBC is annoying those on the left and the right (good balance is being maintained then)
Re: BBC
No. Independent research shows that the BBC is institutionally pro-government and pro-establishment. Hardly surprising when the majority of the management and journalists went to the same public schools and Oxbridge colleges as the current Cabinet.
Tories whine about lack of balance because they are accustomed to the blatant bias of the billionaire-owned press. Anything less biased upsets them.
Re: BBC
Could you give some more details of this independent research? It would also be interesting to know who funded the research, to verify that it was truly independent.
Re: BBC
After seeing Marr yesterday I have to disagree.
Re: BBC
The dividing line of our time is not Tory and Labour but pro-Brexit and anti-Brexit.
With the appointment of Jess Brammar, a rabid remaniac, as chief executive news editor, we can see that the BBC will continue to espouse the views of the London metropolitan elite at the expense of the majority who pay their overinflated salaries.
Defund the BBC!
>> we probably don’t want to shoot the Czar and his family
... and why not ? Personally I say get out the Purdey's :)
Can't get my head around this concept
So we store all our personal data on our phone or other device then somehow select what companies can dip in and take in exchange for using their website? You decide how far you are prepared to bend over to use their services?
This sounds very cumbersome and disconcerting to me. It also sounds like your personal data store would be a fantastic target for data / identity thieves to target.
What happens if you lose your phone or other device with the data on it, or if it is stolen?
What is to stop third parties keeping or selling on any data you have gifted them anyway?
Re: Can't get my head around this concept
Its a nice idea for sure, but you know what will happen, companies will instead demand full access otherwise you get zero access to their site. Much like experts exchange would give google more information that you could see to get you to pay.
I'm not sure this is quite the solution to the rampant use of pervertware.
Re: Can't get my head around this concept
This sounds more like pulling up a drawbridge. Facebook and the likes will continue as they please, but new players won't have a chance to compete.
I can't see how these proposals address the root cause.
Pointless
It does not address why these corporations go to such great lengths to grab our personal data.
Business models where customer is the product should simply be illegal.
Re: Pointless
Then you would pay for most of the stuff on the Web.
We want content, but we don't want to pay for it.
And no, I don't know what the answer is.
Re: Pointless
I think a lot of the problem is the expectation to make money off said content, which means said people very much missed the point of the internet in the first place, but money always corrupts such ideals alas.
Re: Pointless
> the expectation to make money off said content
Until computer makers are willing to provide hardware for free, all the electricity used comes at zero cost and software support people will donate their time for nothing, there will always be costs associated with running a website.
It is not always about making a profit - which I'd guess only applies to 1 in 10,000 websites.
Re: Pointless
Why?
We didn't pay for content before Facebook, Twitter and Google.
Not going to happen
Great idea, but it's not going to get the support of the lawmakers. Global businesses like Facebook and Google will, 1. Lobby like hell against it and, 2, threaten to withdraw their immense corporate sponsorship of politician and their parties. Especially in the UK where the government have declared war on data protection post Brexit.
Human persychology fail
Expressed user preference would kill it anyway.
"Don't want to supply your data? You can't use our website"
That's what government's demanding anyway in the "think of the kiddies!!!!" net nanny legislation. You can only get access to web content if you supply personal data to that website.
Want to watch Corrie? You have to accept the adverts as well. Don't want adverts? Sorry, no Corrie for you.
Want a discount at Morrison's? You have to swipe our loyalty card with your purchase. Don't want to record your purchase? Sorry, no discount for you.
Re: Human persychology fail
Using an in your face 'you will pay more' price ticket only encourages me to spend my money elsewhere.
The long established method of having only one price and offering vouchers to loyalty car owners doesn't get up our noses quite so much even if the outcome is the same.
Needs more work
> These three ideas are: legibility, agency and negotiation.
What it needs before any of this is usability. However this is implemented it must not get in the way of the user.
So no popups, no having to click on anything. In fact no requirement for the user to think at all.
Without that it is just another annoying impediment, along the lines of "your privacy is important to us".
And if this system can produce some completely random user "data" to feed to the websites, so much the better.
Re: Needs more work
The average user will just tick boxes asking "Share all data" and "Don't ask again" to be rid of the pop up.
At the moment I share as little as possible with websites and when they do require specific information such as date of birth I put in fake details. If forced to use some sort of data sharing box, I'll just put fake data into that too.
The current system is broken, but I can't see how the proposed change will offer any real world benefits for the average user.
Works both ways
This idea would get more traction if Facebook and co. see the benefits too rather than relying on regulation being forced upon them. Users marking up their own preferences should be more valuable than what algorithms alone can glean.
I cannot be alone in being hit with "targeted" messages in the vein of "you have just bought a washing machine, here are other washing machines that may interest you". Those are irritating and it would be commercially useful to improve.
Re: Works both ways
>>>commercially useful to improve<<< by which you mean stop altogether because I'm not likely to be looking for another $item$ for several years.
Not being a FB user and employing browser add blockers I just don't see many adverts.
BBC
I used to trust the BBC, but now they're a tory mouthpiece, it's not easy.