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'No peeing towards Russia' sign appears on country's Arctic border with Norway

(2021/08/26)


If you're ever holidaying in the frigid wastes of Finnmark – where the borders of Norway, Finland, and Russia meet – don't do the whole "now I'm in Norway, now I'm in Russia" [1]skit because in Norway they don't tolerate that kind of crap.

According to English-language news website [2]The Barents Observer , whose existence we only learned of today, a sign has been posted outside the village of Grense Jakobselv warning: "No peeing towards Russia."

The Norwegian-Russian border follows the Jakobselva river and the sign is located on its Norwegian bank, where tourists often stop for pictures.

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Though the notice is far from official in provenance, The Barents Observer's report suggests that it's actually quite sound advice.

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We're told by Norway's Border Commissioner, Jens Høilund, that the area is closely monitored by the military and police, who "will try to prevent incidents that could lead to violation of the agreement with Russia, including insulting behaviour."

Yes, apparently being a bit cheeky to the Beast in the East from the Norwegian side of the fence is punishable by law. Legislation from 1950 [6]under the National Borders Act specifically rules out "offensive behaviour at the border, directed at the neighbouring state or its authorities."

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Such violations "shall be punished by fines or imprisonment for up to 3 months if the matter is not affected by stricter penalties," the document reads.

And Norwegian authorities do enforce it, even in a sparsely populated region where the annual average temperature is -2.4°C (27.7°F) by virtue of falling within the Arctic Circle.

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The Observer goes on to list a couple of recent incidents, like when four people were "detained by border guards after throwing stones across the border into Russia" a few years back. It adds: "Last winter, a woman put her left hand across the border to Russia. She was fined 8,000 kroner (€772) by the police." Yikes.

Neither Høilund nor the Chief of Police in Finnmark, [12]Ellen Katrine Hætta , know who put up the "peeing" sign – but, as we said, tourists would do well to heed it, because the area is covered in CCTV cameras.

"Norway's 197.7 km long land border to Russia is likely the most peaceful border of all Russia's external borders," the report concludes, happily adding: "Unchanged since agreed in 1826, the border is also a sign of peace; Norway is the only neighbor that Russia has not been at war with."

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So no urinating, throwing stones, or waving hands at Russia, folks! You don't want to ruin that 200-year peace streak. But you might be able to get away with a fart in that general direction. ®

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[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxBBBt4TdOQ

[2] https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/borders/2021/08/dont-pee-russia-it-will-cost-you

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[8] https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/24/mcdonalds_out_of_milkshake/

[9] https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/18/magna_carta_edinburgh_castle/

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/14/sweary_four_word_map/

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/04/german_tank_basement_fine/

[12] https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/high-north-tour-2021-police-chief-russian-border

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[14] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



"No peeing towards Russia."

Pascal Monett

Thank you.

I now have in my bucket list going to Finnmark and peeing towards Russia.

After breaking all the CCTV cameras in the area, obviously.

Re: "No peeing towards Russia."

Little Mouse

No need to travel - You can pee towards Russia from wherever you are. And you can aim in the direction of any country you want.

My toilets point south from the UK. Make of that what you will

Covered by cameras....

FILE_ID.DIZ

but they don't know who put up the sign?

Re: Covered by cameras....

Stumpy

Well, they do, but they're currently languishing in a Siberian Gulag

Re: Covered by cameras....

jake

Have you seen the sorry images that most .gov controlled CCTV cameras produce? It's almost impossible to see what people are doing on those cheap-ass pieces of shit, much less ID a perp ... To say nothing of the bird crap & etc. that builds up on the lenses.

The things might be a deterrent, but it's not because they produce usable pictures.

Re: Covered by cameras....

FILE_ID.DIZ

I have no clue about there or where you live either, but where I live, I've seen video released to the public by the Government from red light cameras (which double as stationary security cameras) about a vehicle crash (for example) and they're grainy as fuck.

However, catch a red-light ticket and that thing is all of a sudden high-def? I think they intentionally muck with the video when they those to the public versus the high-fidelity that they're actually watching and recording at.

But I have no actual knowledge, just my observation.

Re: Covered by cameras....

Danny 14

oh I imagine if russia want to nail you they will have some very good photos as evidence.

Re: Covered by cameras....

Anonymous South African Coward

NCIS magic.

Frozen bullets

b0llchit

It is dangerous to point in the wrong direction. The liquid phase will be very short at those northerly temperatures and the arrival of a fully frozen bullet may result. And that can be interpreted as shooting across the border. With some force, you might actually cause harm.

Re: Frozen bullets

Psmo

...With some force...

That's some serious, uh, backlog.

Some dilution may be in order.

Re: Frozen bullets

Eclectic Man

This is why Huskies stand on their fore-paws to pee and do it in spurts. If you pee continuously at very low temperatures, I understand that a little icicle grows towards your 'honourable gentleman'* quite rapidly, and can cause frostbite.

*I understand that ladies of the female persuasion pee differently, but I have no experience of that, so cannot comment.

Re: Frozen bullets

Malcolm Weir

My Husky obviously missed that day in Husky-School. Mind you, he also missed much of the "how to dog" class, too...

Re: Frozen bullets

jake

Most of the Huskies I have known lift their leg like other dogs, or squat like most bitches (depending on equipment). A few of the boys never learned the leg lift thing and tend to pee on their front feet. I have never seen a Husky stand on its front paws to pee.

Ice can build up on the hair surrounding the exit, not up from the target area, but this requires it to be cold enough to freeze the balls off a snooker table.

A.P. Veening

But you might be able to get away with a fart in that general direction.

Lovely Monty Python reference.

be careful

Phil O'Sophical

At sub-zero temperatures farts can be visible too, much as you can "see your breath" on a cold day. The effect is a bit like a squirrel tail.

Sign wrong way round

Falmari

The sign is the wrong way round (should be pissing out not in) and should be on the Russian side to make it clear that you are not allowed to take the piss out of Russia. ;)

cornetman

The story piqued my interest because we went to that border halfway through a trip on the Hurtigruten, the Vesterålen if memory serves, which we did for our honeymoon. Can definitely recommend it.

Pretty desolate place TBH and pretty windy, but you could see the Russian guards in the distance. You couldn't help but wonder what those poor guys had done to deserve that tour of duty.

Rich 11

Given that the Russian military and semi-military forces are infamous for the degree of bullying and abuse that takes place amongst their ranks, to which the officers turn a blind eye, it may be that one of the safer postings is a remote Arctic border with only a dozen fellow soldiers to deal with rather than in a major army base with a dozen battalions competing over original ways to break in fresh conscripts.

International borders are a serious matter

jonfr

The river is the border (unless the river changes it self, then the border is on land where the river used to be). Since Russia is a non-EU/EEA/EFTA country the border is as strict as it can be. This is no better in Finland with its border with Russia. The border appears clearly on Google Earth in both countries (Norway and Finland). Getting a good street view of the border with Russia is difficult for that same security reason.

Re: International borders are a serious matter

Irony Deficient

Getting a good street view of the border with Russia is difficult for that same security reason.

The relevant law which was linked to in the article in The Barents Observer even states (in Norwegian) that within 1 km of a Norwegian border, photographing any neighboring country’s territory is prohibited, and the possession or use of photographic equipment is prohibited to visitors to such areas unless special permission has been granted. (Residents of such areas are allowed to possess or use photographic equipment unless they’ve been naughty, e.g. caught taking snapshots of a neighboring country’s territory.)

Re: International borders are a serious matter

cornetman

When we were there as a tourist I don't remember being being told that we couldn't photograph but it was a long time ago so I might be wrong about that.

JDPower666

What if I pee rowatds Russia from here? I can't completely guarantee I'll reach, but just wanna check before I try.

tonique

You could go to Sarah Palin's house and try there.

jake

You expect me to fight off all those dinosaurs in her backyard? I think NOT, Comrade.

jake

Feel free ... might want to move your keybr0ad aside before you start, though.

Stricker Penalties

HildyJ

"if the matter is not affected by stricter penalties"

The strictest penalty is not sewing it back on when it freezes off.

“Norway is the only neighbor that Russia has not been at war with.”

Irony Deficient

To my knowledge, Russia has not been at war with either Belarus or North Korea, although it has been at war with other countries that controlled their current territories (e.g. the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Empire of Japan respectively).

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