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Before I agree to let your app track me everywhere, I want something 'special' in return (winks)…

(2021/08/13)


Something for the Weekend, Sir? "This website is requesting permission to access your location. Yes/No?" Absolutely not. My personal details are sacred!

I learnt this the hard way. An unfortunate experience with what seemed like a harmless little app – RshnMobstr , I think it was called – taught me not to give away too much.

The app asked perfectly innocent questions about my current address, age, occupation… that sort of thing. Oh and my IBAN, mother's maiden name, the name of my first pet, the brand of my first car, my favourite movie, the last time I cried, my height, weight, length, girth… well, you get the idea. And the next thing I know, a bunch of nosey-parker call-centre staff started ringing me day and night to ask whether I had just used my credit card to purchase a light aeroplane in Murmansk.

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I told them it was none of their business. My personal details are sacred, after all.

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People complain about being prompted to accept or reject cookies by every website they visit. Well, being nagged to give away my location is worse. It's just good technology applied badly – or should I say disingenuously.

Now, the cookie thing is annoying but I get it. There is a sort of naive honesty about a shady online outfit asking a site visitor if they'd mind having their computer carpet-bombed with unethical data-thieving spyware ad grenades. The visitor can then choose whether they will bother to visit that site ever again based on whether or not there is a Disallow All Cookies button.

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If I might make one small request, though? In addition to Allow All Cookies and Disallow All Cookies buttons, I would like websites to include a third option: Install A Lifetime Cookie To Remember You Clicked Disallow All Cookies.

It seems a lifetime ago when I consciously made a pact with the Devil to allow Google Maps to follow me around the streets. If you want to go from A to B, route-mapping systems find it helpful if you agree to tell it where A is. Later in the day, of course, Google Maps nags me to submit "user-generated content" about all the shops and other places I went to, so I just repeatedly tap the option to say I hadn't visited that place at all and Google Maps repeatedly apologises for its error. I'm not so bothered about privacy; I just get a kick out of the apologies.

Before the rise of the Pandemic That Shall Not Be Named, it was charming to have Google Maps surprise me with an unsolicited notification showing me a map of all the locations it thought I had been to over the previous month or two. London, Belgrade, Paris, Chicago, er… Herne Bay… I would feel a proper little International Man of Mystery. Yeah, baby.

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Post-Voldemort-19, that map looks rather sad. Rather than spanning continents, it has zoomed in on my neighbourhood with a little star at my front door and another at the off-licence. Oh, and there's one at [6]La Quequetterie , a local cake shop I once visited that does a roaring trade in iced phalluses and vulva pancakes. [Warning: link NSFW if you scroll downwards]

Oh come on, how could I not check out this shop? It might seem a desperate marketing ploy at first but, again, I respect the naive honesty of selling a dick-on-a-stick without pretending it's just a long donut. In a previous era, Cadbury's ad agency was notorious for the latter type of crass subterfuge, boosting sales by popularising chocolate fellatio on pre-watershed television.

[7]Youtube Video

Using Google Maps to find the shop had the additional benefit of sending the arse end of my personal profile stored in Google's data dungeons into an uncontrolled twerk. It would certainly explain why I have started seeing fewer banner ads for electronic components and more three-second interstitials for pole-dancing YouTubers.

Undesirable, perhaps, but understandable. It's a location-tracking trade-off I entered into deliberately – foolishly, perhaps, but knowingly.

So would I buy a personal tracking device? One of those little plastic tag gadgets that you hide in suitcases or sew into the lining of your kids' raincoats? Now that's another matter. When I share my data with Google Maps, I like to imagine my data is sloshing around in decent company alongside that of fellow route-hunting sat-navvers, world-travelling businesspeople, and sniggering middle-aged men buying a rolled pancake on a stick. That's not the case with people-trackers.

The fastest growth areas in the market for personal tracking devices are not pets and grandads but employees and offenders. [8]A report from ABI Research reckons this segment will reach an installed base of 10 million by 2026. This reveals a lot about how bosses regard their workers. And soon your little Timmy's location will be rubbing shoulders with those of sex offenders on day release. I know it's just ones and zeros but, you know, yuk. I wouldn't poke that kind of metadata with a bargepole.

Perhaps I'm just prolonging the inevitable. A [9]smart cities report from the EU earlier this year suggested using lampposts to spy on citizens… er, I mean of course "to tackle Covid response and recovery" (it says here).

[10]Q: Post-lockdown, where would I like to go? A: As far away from my own head as possible

[11]You MUST present your official ID (but only the one that's really easy to fake)

[12]Is it broken yet? Is it? Is it? Ooh that means I can buy a sparkly, new but otherwise hard-to-justify replacement!

[13]The lights go off, broadband drops out, the TV freezes … and nobody knows why (spooky music)

"21st century lamp columns go beyond street lighting by incorporating sensors that can receive and transmit information about crowd density, and even the body temperature of individuals," marvels the report. "They can also incorporate CCTV, air quality sensors, flooding monitors, digital signage, and 5G wifi hotspots." Those testing such waters include London's Westminster City Council, which wants to manipulate street lighting in real time to herd , sorry, guide people away from crowded areas. You know, to stop Covid.

Well, it's one thing to hand my location to Google Maps while I wind my way down the streets. If the street furniture I walk past is also tracking me – and my body temperature – without asking, I may as well throw caution to the wind. Maybe there will be a benefit. Let's give it a go!

Hmm, I think need new [14]shreds . I have a quick look online to see what the current fashion is for gentlemen's undergarments. The website is asking if it's OK to detect my location. That strikes me as odd but then it could be that the style for cutties is different on my side of town. I click Yes.

I want to read the news about a very specific item of local current affairs. I look it up and click on a link… and the website wants to know my location. Will the story on that website be written differently if I happen to be reading it in Barnsley? We'll soon find out: I click Yes.

I'd like to read some advice on how to stop a bicycle chain from slipping off when changing gear. Oh, but first the site is requesting permission to find my location. Maybe there's an atmospheric influence on chain slippage in different parts of the world, who knows? I click Yes.

And what do I get in return for my personal data largesse?

The checkout page on the online clothing store still hasn't the faintest fucking idea where I am in the world and it's only after I type in my full postal address AND select my nearest branch from a list that it tells me it's out of stock.

The news site finds my location, squirrels the data away for selling to phishing gangsters and says no more about it. The story I wanted to read is lost as the page duly refreshes to show irrelevant shit about stuff happening 9,000 miles away.

The cycling maintenance manuals, which were in English when I first landed on the site, have now switched to German. I guess the bike manufacturer wasn't made aware that my current location was liberated 77 years ago.

Good technology applied badly, eh? ®

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Alistair Dabbs is a freelance technology tart, juggling tech journalism, training and digital publishing. Talking of that 1980s TV ad for Cadbury's Flake, he always wondered what barrels of depravity in the dank cellars of the human id are supposed to be tapped by the symbolism of a lizard running across the dial of an unanswered, ringing telephone with a flashing red light. Enlightenment from readers with a psychological bent is welcome. More at [16]Autosave is for Wimps and [17]@alidabbs .

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[6] https://www.laquequetterie.com/

[7] https://youtu.be/GVia3SqoP-A

[8] https://www.abiresearch.com/market-research/product/7778817-people-tracking-for-enterprise-lone-worker/

[9] https://smart-cities-marketplace.ec.europa.eu/media/2481

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/06/something_for_the_weekend/

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[16] https://autosaveisforwimps.substack.com

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[18] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



Even tyre pressure sites are at it.

Sam Therapy

Wanted to find out the tyre pressure for our car. It was only a few weeks old, didn't have the manual to hand and couldn't remember, so Mrs T Googled for sites with the info. We put in the, make, model and age of the thing, but the site wanted to know our reg number and location before offering up the info.

I told her to stay away from the site and in the meantime I'd guess the pressures. As it turned out I wasn't far wrong. I now have the numbers engraved into my memory.

Re: Even tyre pressure sites are at it.

Rameses Niblick the Third Kerplunk Kerplunk Whoops Where's My Thribble?

....tyre pressure....

Is it not on a yellow sticker on the inside of the drivers door / door sill?

Re: Even tyre pressure sites are at it.

Zimmer

No, it's on the inside of the fuel filler flap, behind the handy windscreen ice scraper

Re: Even tyre pressure sites are at it.

Chris Evans

Are you sure its not: on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.'

Re: Even tyre pressure sites are at it.

A.P. Veening

In my car it is on the inside of the flap over the fuel cap.

Why Bluetooth

Chris G

I have one usr for bluetooth and that is to connect to my solar panel controller, bluetooth will not function without location on, the controller is the other side of my kitchen wall, well within range.

There is no other means of interfacing with it either.

I also discovered that after a restart on this phone android enables data sharing between apps. Although all permissions are pared down to basic functionality.

Re: Why Bluetooth

Dan 55

Google argue that apps could scan nearby Bluetooth MAC addresses and work out your location so the app must have the location permission in is manifest and you must turn on location on the phone to show you agree to this hypothetical piece of nonsense happening... and also by the strangest of coincidences you also offer up your location to every other app on your phone which wants it and Google themselves.

Re: Why Bluetooth

KittenHuffer

It's because some white hat hackers pointed out that it's possible to figure out your location by looking at the bluetooth devices that you can see around you. Not easy, and needs a huge database that you can lookup devices to find the locations associated with them.

The Googly one, while 'improving' user privacy, decided that this meant that you MUST agree to allow access to 'Locations' when you only want to allow access to Bluetooth (or BT LE). This means that you also have to agree to full GPS location as well!

To really 'improve' user privacy they should have separated Bluetooth location out from the general location option. That way you can enable Bluetooth for something without giving them full GPS access as well.

--------------> Because they're always watching!

As a kid ....

KittenHuffer

.... it was the Finger of Fudge adverts that we always used to snigger at! Turns out a Finger was just enough to give your kids a treat!

I always wanted to know if the official job title of the guy who put them in boxes for delivery was 'Fudge Packer'?!?

21st century lamp columns ... incorporating sensors that can receive and transmit

Warm Braw

It's always puzzled me that this [1]this lot seem to think a cotton protest T-shirt is an adequate defence against the harm they assert is being done by lamp posts...

[1] https://www.saveusnow.org.uk/

Re: 21st century lamp columns ... incorporating sensors that can receive and transmit

BenDwire

Wow !

the 5G roll out kills babies before they are born

I'm amazed that people can be this deluded, especially as we've been using the very same frequencies for years. Maybe they should also say that Channel 5 is killing babies too ...

And I'm pretty sure they won't understand the irony when they post their new T-shirt purchase on social media either.

Re: 21st century lamp columns ... incorporating sensors that can receive and transmit

Dan 55

In another story on the front page there's a story about toxicity in the Perl community.

I'm rather of the opinion that the human brain is unable to cope with social media instead of toxicity or stupidity in this community or that community, because it seems there's problems with practically any community you could name.

Re: 21st century lamp columns ... incorporating sensors that can receive and transmit

AndyFl

Followed the link and read down to the bit where they say 5G kills babies before they are born, rolled my eyes and closed the page.

This grasp of science and engineering is exactly why they "seem to think a cotton protest T-shirt is an adequate defence against the harm they assert is being done by lamp posts".

Idiots, the lot of them.

Re: 21st century lamp columns ... incorporating sensors that can receive and transmit

disgruntled yank

A gentleman I spoke to last fall said that it had caused the COVID pandemic.

Re: 21st century lamp columns ... incorporating sensors that can receive and transmit

Dr_N

The imagery on that site is actually hilarious:

https://www.saveusnow.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/elementor/thumbs/mobile-4565661_1920-e1600847678917-oz0z2qb4eis3i08ebtwlvbkng4xeulvjzhewvi7xy8.jpg

Re: 21st century lamp columns ... incorporating sensors that can receive and transmit

Anonymous Coward

"

It's always puzzled me that this this lot seem to think a cotton protest T-shirt is an adequate defence against the harm they assert is being done by lamp posts

"

Looks like they are a political party and according to the Electoral Commission they are registered under the name Graham Steele in Gateshead.

Probably Graham Steele, brother of 5G nutter/grifter Mark Steele. (No, not the comedian, that's Mark Steel.)

https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxeb45/my-dad-got-hoaxed-by-the-anti-5g-conspiracy-movement

Grifter's gotta grift.

Re: 21st century lamp columns ... incorporating sensors that can receive and transmit

MrBanana

Thank you so much for the Mark/Mark differentiation, I wasn't a huge fan of (the comedy) Mr Steel but at least I knew what he stood for. The other one - obviously bonkers on a stick.

I've previously had a spat elsewhere with a 5G in street lamp = death ray proponent. "Yes, the PSU seems to be over specified, but that is not because it is part of a global conspiracy to flood the world with death rays that cause COVID. It is because it is an industrial application meant to last years with minimum maintenance. Unlike the PSU in the shitty LED nightlight, with a 7 month lifespan, that you bought from PoundWorld."

Alan1kiwi

It is also bad in Ireland........ https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2021/08/13/unvaccinated-pregnant-teachers-told-to-wing-it-be-grand/

La Quequetterie

Dr_N

"ZiZi Top" would have been funnier.

Re: La Quequetterie

Alistair Dabbs

Good suggestion. And they could name one of the flavours "Willy Gibbons".

Flightmode

A couple of things:

> "In addition to Allow All Cookies and Disallow All Cookies buttons, I would like websites to include a third option: Install A Lifetime Cookie To Remember You Clicked Disallow All Cookies."

For the love of God, THIS! I don't mind choosing to reject cookies, it's that I have to do it EVERY TIME that annoys me.

> "...sending the arse end of my personal profile stored in Google's data dungeons into an uncontrolled twerk"

That's the second keyboard you owe me from this year alone. (The first was for career pyromaniacs making the best IT managers.)

Oh, and, just because it's Friday:

> "London, Belgrade, Paris, Chicago, er... Herne Bay..."

...everybody talk about Pop Music!

Anonymous Coward

>> "In addition to Allow All Cookies and Disallow All Cookies buttons, I would like websites to include a third option: Install A Lifetime Cookie To Remember You Clicked Disallow All Cookies."

>For the love of God, THIS! I don't mind choosing to reject cookies, it's that I have to do it EVERY TIME that annoys me.

I find that they usually do. but you still have to click on 'set preferences' and 'accept my preferences' because anything else will 'allow all'

Bastards.

My other car WAS an IAV Stryker

"For the love of God, THIS! I don't mind choosing to reject cookies, it's that I have to do it EVERY TIME that annoys me."

Forget the cookies, I'd like the "never ask again" option for all the various sites I visit to pay bills (mortgage, other "finance", utilities) who ask every. expletive. time. if I want e-billing to my email instead of paper in the mail.

Although, with the US Postal (dis-)Service at an all-time low, it might be time to reconsider my long-held preference.

go beyond street lighting by incorporating sensors that can receive and transmit information

Howard Sway

Great, and once they've done that all the anti-5G conspiracy lot will roam the streets shooting out all the lights and turning everywhere into a mugger's paradise................. Mind you, I'd be kind of agreeing that turning the street lighting into a huge council run spy network is maybe going a little bit too far. Can't we just have them lighting the streets?

Re: go beyond street lighting by incorporating sensors that can receive and transmit information

Anonymous Custard

Can't we just have them lighting the streets?

Even that seems to be beyond them in several places around here, without trying to get them to do anything else...

Red Guitars

Herring`

Bloody hell. I thought nobody else remembered that song.

Talking of songs, the woman in the Flake advert, she has Dickie Davies Eyes

I would like to add...

Throatwarbler Mangrove

"This Web site would like permission to send you notifications."

Has anyone at all in the history of time ever clicked Yes?

It is easier to change the specification to fit the program than vice versa.