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Full Stream ahead: Microsoft will end 'classic' method of recording Teams meetings despite transcription concerns

(2021/08/05)


Microsoft's technology for recording Teams meetings, Stream, will fully transition to a new version from 16 August, though some users have concerns over transcription features still under development.

Stream is a service for uploading, viewing, and sharing videos. Among its most common uses is for recording Teams meetings. Stream had its own storage and user interface, but in September last year, at its Ignite event, the company [1]introduced "a new journey for Microsoft Stream."

In essence, the change integrates Stream into Microsoft 365. "The web app will be part of office.com – like Word, PowerPoint and Excel web apps – and will enable users to discover, share, and manage videos like any Office document." Microsoft started to call the old service Classic Stream, while referring to the new service as Stream.

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As part of this change, Teams recordings began to be saved by default in OneDrive or SharePoint "like any Office file." Integration solves some problems but it is a different service and some features that were in Classic Stream are not in the new version: a full list can be found [3]here .

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This includes trimming the beginning and end of a video, and commenting on videos, but the biggest issue for many customers is that it is no longer possible to edit the automatic transcription. While this may seem a minor point, for some it is not, since having accurate captions is an accessibility feature that is required for compliance, as well as being of great practical benefit to those unable to hear the audio. Educational institutions, many of which use Office 365, are a primary example.

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Classic Stream includes a transcript editor so that inaccuracies can be manually corrected. This is not available in the new Stream.

Microsoft automatic transcription can work well but factors influencing the accuracy of speech to text include audio quality, language, regional accents, and the characteristics of an individual's voice. Automatic transcription technology is greatly improved from what it was a few years back, but remains far short of what a human can easily understand.

"Can I seek some clarification on whether the 'auto captioning' functionality will still be available in the new version of Stream and along with this will the functionality to 'Edit Auto captions' still be available through the Stream interface? With accessibility regulations this is a feature we rely on heavily," [7]said a user back in March, while another [8]added that "the transcript and captioning functions are critical to organisations like mine who must meet the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.1 criteria to provide both captions and transcripts for users."

[9]Microsoft suspends free trials for Windows 365 after a day due to 'significant demand'

[10]Microsoft's Cloud PCs debut – priced between $20 and $158 a month

[11]Microsoft made $167m a day in profit, every day, over the past 12 months

[12]Early Skype developer Jaan Tallinn splashes cash in latest funding for Matrix-based instant messenger Element

Microsoft product manager Nibal Aridi has now [13]posted about the next phase for Teams. "Rolling out incrementally beginning August 16, 2021: All meeting recordings will be saved to OneDrive and SharePoint. We recommend that customers roll out the feature via their Teams policy in PowerShell before this date to control the timing of the release," he said.

The [14]documentation confirms that from this date, "no new meeting recordings can be saved to Microsoft Stream (Classic)," even if administrators have set a policy directing recordings to Classic Stream (controlled by the PowerShell command Set-CsTeamsMeetingPolicy).

Aridi offered some workarounds. "Users can download the transcript file from the Teams meeting," he said, "where users can edit and share the file manually with others." Under development is the ability to upload a changed file to the video player, a feature which still falls short of the old feature for editing transcripts. Classic Stream will still exist, so the other workaround is to "download recordings from OneDrive/SharePoint and upload to Classic Stream, where a transcript will be generated on-demand and users can edit the transcript within the video itself," he said.

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There is another new feature that may catch some out: auto-expiration. "We're introducing a default 60-day expiration setting for all newly created Teams meeting recordings (TMRs). This means that by default, all TMRs created after we enable this feature will be deleted 60 days after their creation date," [16]say the docs . Note this feature has not yet been launched; Microsoft says it is "providing information… so that you will be able to plan for this change." It is slated to be implemented in September.

The company says that the size of a one-hour recording is 400MB and that "99 per cent... are never rewatched after 60 days." There is potential for a lot of wasted storage then, but equally, a recording entrusted to the cloud that deletes itself unexpectedly could be bad news in some circumstances. Admins will be able to change the expiration date to a maximum of 273 years.

Another potential pitfall is that sometimes saving the recording to OneDrive or SharePoint does not work; at least, we assume that is the case, since the docs state that "if a meeting recording isn't able to be uploaded to OneDrive for Business and SharePoint Online, it will temporarily be available for download from Teams for 21 days before it is deleted. This is not something at this point that an admin can control or manage."

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Aridi said: "Get ready to do more with Teams meetings recordings in Microsoft 365." The advice to administrators using this service, though, is to pay careful attention to the changes, which are not all positive ones. Users with specific concerns are invited to contact support. ®

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[1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-stream-blog/a-new-vision-for-microsoft-stream/ba-p/1686304

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[3] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/stream/streamnew/features-new-version-stream

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[6] https://regmedia.co.uk/2021/08/05/transcript.jpg

[7] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-stream-blog/the-next-phase-for-the-new-version-of-stream/bc-p/2247859/highlight/true#M269

[8] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-stream-blog/the-next-phase-for-the-new-version-of-stream/bc-p/2247859/highlight/true#M269

[9] https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/04/windows_365_trials_suspended/

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/03/windows_365_cloud_pc_pricing_and_first_look/

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/27/microsoft_earnings_2021/

[12] https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/27/element_seriesb_thirty_million_pounds_funding/

[13] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-stream-blog/get-ready-to-do-more-with-teams-meeting-recordings-in-microsoft/ba-p/2600628

[14] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/MicrosoftTeams/tmr-meeting-recording-change#set-up-the-meeting-recording-option-for-onedrive-for-business-and-sharepoint-online

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[16] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/cloud-recording

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Technology

brett_x

They should use butter technology to ease into change.

Re: Technology

David 132

I can’t stand this constant feature churn.

Re: Technology

Anonymous Coward

Teams, I can't believe it's not butter.

Anonymous Coward

If you log a support call it is possible to get an exemption from the switch. But I never told you that and I was never here...

Ridiculous

Henry Wertz 1

Honestly this sounds ridiculous. Being able to cut the beginning and end off a video, and to edit a text file, is not rocket science; if they want to move the storage into OneDrive, move the storage into OneDrive, why ship an update that is not feature complete?

Re: Ridiculous

Anonymous Coward

Feels like Skype Déjà vu / Ground hog day.

Admins will be able to change the expiration date to a maximum of 273 years.

Citizen of Nowhere

That's a strangely specific number. What exactly does Microsoft have on their roadmap arriving in 2294? Presuming anything vaguely like civilisation still exists on this planet by that point.

Re: 273 years ... That's a strangely specific number.

K Cartlidge

273 is the highest number of years that remains below 100,000 days (99,645).

More of Microsoft's abusive 'we know best' relationship, when will it end?

Anonymous Coward

Honestly, if you were in a relationship with such a controlling person in real life, and going by this, some would clearly class this an 'abusive/dominating relationship' by equivalence, you'd be taking them to court to get an injunction against them, to get them out of your life.

Martin Summers

Does everything have to be by bloody powershell? Can anyone really say it makes their lives easier to have to piss about copying commands into powershell (that's if you're not of course blessed with a memory capable of typing everything without reference).

I couldn't care less if they had some kind of turgid interface they made admins use, at least it would be immediately accessible and searchable. They seem to be dumbing down windows on one side, making everything controllable by the crappy app interface, and making things stupidly complex on the other. I just want to change settings in the most efficient manner. Maybe it's just me, maybe some people are manically happy with it. It's odd perhaps, because I've never had a problem using Linux command shells.

cookieMonster

welcome to winlux

273 years hence, humanity wiped out, Microsoft's cloud survives.

Tron

If the product is no longer fit for purpose, you should switch to another.

You don't have to use it, just because it is Microsoft.

If you all slavishly accept everything MS shovel out, you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

If the screencap is accurate, their auto-transcription is iffy. There must be an alternative.

Tech should obey the laws of the market. It is only different if you let it be. If you switch to a better product, or build a better product, a poorer product that deletes the features you need will lose market share.

Grow a pair and vote with your feet or accept your endless digital servitude in the sweaty embrace of Micro$oft.

A new journey

MrBanana

Really? "A new journey" is their latest way of describing free User Acceptance Testing to the Windows masses.

poisoned coffee, n.:
Grounds for divorce.