That time a startup tried to hire me just to push clients' products in job interviews
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2021/07/10/terence_eden_fronk/
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His sole purpose in approaching companies under the pretense of seeking work there was to pitch products for the startup's clients.
Eden recounted this tale in a [2]blog post on Friday following his rediscovery of the now expired non-disclosure agreement he had signed at the time to learn about this gig.
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He refers to this now-defunct company as "Fronk." The Register asked whether he would provide the company's actual identity in confidence, but he politely declined. Nonetheless, we find the yarn credible enough to repeat herein, partly in the hope a reader might recognize the firm.
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Unqualified job candidates with fake credentials, sometimes supported by unscrupulous recruiting firms, are also a longstanding concern among corporate hiring managers.
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But job seeking as a bait-and-switch marketing opportunity isn't something you hear of every day.
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Eden in his post describes the dialog that went on as "Fronk" personnel explained why they wanted him to pay him to interview for jobs he would not be taking.
The startup representatives explained that during each interview, he was to evangelize client products. "Suppose that AWS wants to sell more InfiniDash licences," Eden recalls them saying, using the [12]now-famous fictional AWS service as an example in his loosely reconstructed history. "They pay us to get the word out to big companies and start-ups."
Bemused, he inquired how that might work. They responded that an interviewer might ask how he dealt with a difficult situation at a previous job. "We want you to talk about how using InfiniDash made life easier for your team," he says he was told.
When Eden pushed back by noting that he might not have experience with said products, the startup's stewards insisted they'd only send him to interviews with companies that didn't already use their clients' products and they'd pay him to get certified with the products, just in case some expertise proved necessary.
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When Eden asked whether the arrangement was ethical, the response was, "Our investors think so!"
But evidently this peculiar business model never found its footing. Eden says he declined the job and later encountered the startup at a few conferences before they disappeared.
Lately, though things have come full circle. When hiring potential job candidates, Eden says he'll sometimes hear suspiciously enthusiastic endorsements of particular JavaScript frameworks or code editors or other products that make him wonder whether "Fronk" somehow survived.
We need only look at the abundance of social media "influencers" and undisclosed marketing relationships, of fake reviews and fake accounts, of self-congratulatory corporate statements and their distance from actual behavior to see that the inauthenticity of "Fronk" never left us. ®
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[1] https://www.theregister.com/2020/12/19/google_amp_resignation/
[2] https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2021/07/nda-expired-lets-spill-the-beans-on-a-weird-startup/
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[6] https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/elpaso/news/press-releases/fbi-warns-cyber-criminals-are-using-fake-job-listings-to-target-applicants-personally-identifiable-information
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[8] https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/07/it_workforce_over_50s/
[9] https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/02/cv_improvement_job_search/
[10] https://www.theregister.com/2021/04/16/something_for_the_weekend_/
[11] https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/21/colorado_employment_hiring/
[12] https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/05/infinidash/
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[14] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
Re: "Fronking "
I see a marketing opportunity for Fronking filters - browse social media and have all Fronker's blocked just like AdBlock et al.
Block all social media - it'll be quicker and just as efficient.
Current par for the present course of future event horizons
when a London-based startup offered to pay him to take job interviews with no intention of accepting any offers.
Excuse me .... but that is standard default fare religiously copied by all those government RFI [Requests for Information] which dangle the carrot of a gazillion dollar/multi million pound sterling contract before one's eyes.
The secret to unparalleled success in one's ambition to server uniquely and obliquely the proprietary intellectual property sought and offered, is to feed a few free crumbs which prove far too costly to ignore and deny further stealthy engagement with for a bigger slice of the cakes baked with options to exercise on others planned for future proving and baking.
One thing in such a situation is absolutely certain ..... no home team engagement in such a disruptive constructive competition has the opposition advised and credited with the possibility of prime primary use activity.
Re: Current par for the present course of future event horizons
Anyone know if Google Translate is accepting nominations for languages to be added to their Translate product?
Asking for a friend. Mine's the one with the dried up babelfish in the pocket.
Re: Current par for the present course of future event horizons
I believe amanfromMars 1 is a bot. If you peruse its posts, you will find they have the appearance of English, but without semantic meaning.
Re: Current par for the present course of future event horizons
He’s got a silver medal too. Next stop Skynet.
How about interviewers that get candidates in and ask them how they would deal with this "situation" and "could you show us how you would go about dealing with it".
The situation turns out to be some longstanding technical issue that their own staff have been struggling to solve and they are after some free consultancy.
and they are after some free consultancy.
Isn't that illegal though? You have to pay at least a minimum wage for their time.
At Werdsmith, re: deceptive interviews.
I once interviewed at a small mom & pop computer repair shop to be a hardware repair drone. They handed me a computer, told me they knew what was wrong with it, but wanted me to fix it "to prove I knew what I was doing". Fine, reasonable request, so I got started.
I spent nearly an hour going through every minutia step to check every last thing I could think of that might prevent the hardware from operating properly, removing/cleaning/reseating all the cards, checking that all the various cables were in good condition/plugged in properly/not bent so as to present a possible break in continuity, etc. Eventually I finished, turned it on, & was rewarded with the purr of the fans, the whir of the HDD, and the chirpy chimes of Windows booting. I was about to turn it off when the interviewer slapped my hand away...
He promptly had one of his other techs come in with a ZipDrive, slapped in a fresh ZipDisk, & copied the entire drive's contents off in a mad rush to archive the data. Turns out they did *not* know what had been wrong with it, none of their own techs had been able to get so much as a blinky light out of it, and they were tearing their hair out trying to recover the data. Interviewer had the bright idea of advertising for the job, using the aforementioned computer as the "test system" if the candidate sounded as if they knew their stuff (as I did), and having found someone that had indeed fixed the machine, wasted no time in archiving the data.
My reward for saving their asses (it had been their accounting computer & all their financials were in an Excel sheet on the drive, but not backed up anywhere)? A firm handshake, a "thanks for stopping by, we'll keep your application on file" load of happy horseshit.
I think that was one of the first events that proved the path of good intentions will be littered with the corpses of my enemies.
*Cough*
Faith in the system
Just recently the FBI warned about criminals using fake websites and job ads to entice job seekers into surrendering personal information for the purpose of identity fraud.
Where have they been? That has been going on for decades...
"Fronking "
Think someone has just coined the verb for this behaviour pattern.