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New IETF draft reveals Egyptians invented pyramids to sharpen razor blades

(2021/05/20)


Warren Kumari has had it with Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) drafts being held up as canonical statements that reveal the organisation's thinking or position, so has written his own hilarious draft to make the point that such documents are not normative.

Among Kumari’s declarations: pyramids were used to sharpen razor blades in ancient Egypt, because "camel leather makes a very poor strop, hippopotamus leather was reserved for the pharaohs; and crocodile leather, while suitable, had the unfortunate property of being wrapped around crocodiles."

His draft meanders into a tale about ancient Egyptian economics that concludes with the phrase "Don't allow eel-bearing Atlanteans into your country; economic ruin follows close behind," which in El Reg's opinion should have more prominence in the modern day lexicon.

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The [4]document continues for seven pages. At one point there is a section which addresses cats, and also this cheerful admission:

Unlike most IETF efforts, this document is not embarrassed to clearly state that we are simply stuffing more stuff in while we have the editor open.

The point of this nonsense is that an IETF draft can contain anything, and often does. They are simply written ideas with the intent of building consensus and expire after six months. But if they conform structurally, the IETF document archive holds on to them forever, which makes for a confusing situation if one doesn’t understand the nature of the IETF organization. A user can even access past editions of a draft document when they are revised.

The IETF is a large group of very different individuals who want to be a part of the evolution of the internet. They might be network designers, operators, vendors, researchers, or even a curious tech journalist who is just poking about. It is open to anyone with no formal membership or requirement. Members are volunteers, although some join as part of their job function or are sponsored.

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Kumari’s point is that it’s the normative documents that matter: they have binding force or intent and use different language, like uppercase MUST, MAY, SHOULD, and MUST NOT to indicate their power. For documents in between draft and normative stage, there’s rough consensus (RFC), Best Common Practice (BCP) and Standard (STD) classifications.

So do Kumari a favor, and point anyone who takes IETF drafts too seriously to his draft abstract. It states very clearly and simply:

Anyone can publish an Internet Draft. This doesn’t mean that the “IETF thinks” or that the “IETF is planning…” or anything similar.

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Dinanziame

The RFCs have been known to be very imaginative as well — RFC1149 or RFC2549, for instance.

b0llchit

Even with these imaginative RFCs, they are real and are in fact functionally useful in one or another way. At least one group [1]has made an implementation and thus proven its viability at some level. Adding weights to the feet is a practical consideration, which is left to infrastructure operators for actual implementation.

[1] https://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/writeup/

Some get government support

Flocke Kroes

One of our previous home secretaries wanted mandatory implementation of RFC3514.

Re: Some get government support

amanfromMars 1

One of our previous home secretaries wanted mandatory implementation of RFC3514. ..... Flocke Kroes

Hence their current, previous home secretary status, Flocke Kroes. One can't have madness running amok in office. It is terrifying and terrorising and just encourages the natives to revolt and exercise their own initiatives with rogue and renegade resources from forceful sources well beyond the physical reach and remote control of afflicted and supporting government agencies.

GlenP

It's something journalists in the wider world need to understand too.

A think-tank suggestion is heralded as, "The Government is planning to..."

Andy Non

A think-tank is needed to resolve the problem of how to extract crocodile skins to make leather strops.

UCAP

Thats the easy part. The real trick is stopping the crocodile from objecting with extreme prejudice.

Andy Non

We need a good negotiator to get them to agree to part with their skin in exchange for a nice woolly jumper. ;-)

Patent 91304

Ordinary Donkey

Did anyone ever work out what was up with the pyramid razor thing anyway? It was quite a big thing until people realised it didn't do much.

Re: Patent 91304

Andy Non

I made a model pyramid as a kid and tried it on one of my dad's blunt razor blades. Needless to say it didn't work. Basically it was a load of bollocks.

Re: Patent 91304

Clive Galway

However it did revive problematic ZX microdrive tapes :P

A useful project

Peter Prof Fox

Although it may not have worked to sharpen razor blades, it got you (and me) interested in experimenting and actually trying something for ourselves. Was there something in our set-up that wasn't quite right. How do you actually make a pyramid? Is sellotape or compass direction going to interfere with the 'forces'. When you give up you're able to face loonies with confidence, and tell them if it's so easy they why don't they show you a working system.

In a world where opinions smother facts, actual experiments are fresh air. For your pleasure I enclose a link to a page I wrote long before Google existed. https://vulpeculox.net/misc/try.htm Seven easy to do-it-yourself experiments which are quirky know-all bait.

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