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A trip to the dole queue: CEO of $2bn Bay Area tech biz says he was fired for taking LSD before company meeting

(2021/04/28)


The co-founder and CEO of Iterable, a San Francisco marketing tech biz valued at over $2bn, claims he was fired after admitting to micro-dosing LSD at work.

Justin Zhu, a Twitter alum, founded his upstart with former Google Adsense veteran Andrew Boni in 2013 and built it into a company employing more than 400 staff with a healthy backing from venture capitalists. But Zhu [1]told Bloomberg this week he was just ousted after admitting taking very small quantities of LSD before a meeting in 2019 to improve his creative thinking.

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This, Boni said in an email to staff, had "undermined the board's confidence in Justin's ability to lead the company going forward."

Speaking in Tech: Is the whole of Silicon Valley on LSD? [3]FROM THE ARCHIVE

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Micro-dosing is absolutely not unheard of among Silicon Valley and San Francisco Bay Area folk, and no doubt those further afield, who work under the belief that taking small doses of hallucinogens increases the brain's ability to make lateral jumps. By keeping doses low, some think they can get the benefits without the whole seeing flying dragons or talking colors and sleepless nights part of trips usually associated with LSD.

Apple co-founder Steve Jobs was a big fan of LSD, saying taking a large dose was "one of the most important things in my life." Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the structure of DNA, also credited LSD with broadening his mind.

However, the current crop of management at most venture capitalists frown on such practices, particularly when there's a multibillion-dollar company at stake. And Zhu says doing a dose of the illegal drug before an important meeting was just too much for the squares.

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Boni will take over the business as CEO in the meantime. Presumably he's seen as a safe, and less groovy, pair of hands. ®

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[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-27/iterable-startup-ceo-says-he-was-ousted-for-taking-lsd-at-work

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[3] https://www.theregister.com/2015/12/02/speaking_in_tech_episode_188/

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Stoned web design

abs

Clients have commented on how they find my web apps easy to navigate and use.

Re: Stoned web design

jake

That would explain lots.

Re: Stoned web design

KittenHuffer

I (sort of) remember in my youth partaking of 'drunken' coding on many an occasion.

Once in a while I'd get up in the morning, review my code, and realise that I'd never have thought of that way of solving that problem.

But most of the time I'd get up, review my code, and realise what I'd be spending the morning rewriting!

Re: Stoned web design

Anonymous Coward

Oh god yeah. The worst part though is when you're sober you can't understand what you wrote and need to get drunk again.

I had a housemate years ago (works for a large accountancy software firm now) that used to get drunk at the same time and we'd go on weird coding marathons.

The idea was we'd set a very simple goal and attempt to come up with the fewest lines of code to achieve that goal. E.g. card shuffling algorithm, list sorting algorithms, vector prediction algorithms etc.

We were truly at our peak. We could chuck out code while hammered that was elegant and efficient. Neither of us are that good anymore.

We came up with algorithms I still don't fully understand.

The card shuffling algos we came up with are like alien technology.

We wrote things almost exclusively in BASIC or C and one of the key rules is that we weren't allowed to use descriptive English readable names anywhere in our code for variables. We weren't allowed to comment our code and we weren't allowed to reuse any code.

If we hit a wall or big that couldn't be fixed within a reasonable amount of time we had to start from scratch observing the rules above.

The purpose was to find different routes to solve a problem. A bit like starting at one end of a forest and trying to sprint through it without stopping. If we had to stop, back to the edge of the forest and another route had to be found but an already beaten path could not be used.

Re: Stoned web design

Stu J

https://xkcd.com/323/

Silly Con Valley tried this "microdosing" thing back in the '80s.

jake

It didn't work then, either. All we wound up with was a bunch of druggies telling everyone how cool their ideas were, with the rest of us shaking our heads and cleaning up the mess.

Re: Silly Con Valley tried this "microdosing" thing back in the '80s.

thames

This is like being very drunk when a university student. You would have what you felt were the most brilliant and profound insights ever, and couldn't understand why other, more sober people couldn't see it when you tried to explain it to them.

When you woke up the next morning, as well as having a headache you would also have the realization that what you thought was brilliant the night before was either completely mundane or complete nonsense.

Acid - don't do it...

Joe W

A former colleague told me this. He was an interesting guy, for sure, and very reliable and sensible nowadays. He took it "way back when", but said that he had flashbacks for quite a while, and the kind and timing of them left something to be desired.

And then there is the categorisation system as of another former colleague: "I'd take it, my brother would take it, my brother does not want to have anything to do with it". I think acid is definitely not cat1.

I have some strange colleagues....

fajensen

How did "They" find out? Was he being an idiot on SoMe or does HR have a Raman-spectrometer in the lobby or something?

thames

Perhaps when he presented his "brilliant new plan" to the board one of them asked him "WTF? Are you on drugs or something?", to which he answered "why yes I am, how did you guess?"

Because he started a pitch...

David Glasgow

"picture yourself, in a boat, on a river...."

Re: Because he started a pitch...

Anonymous Coward

...after spending the first 30 minutes slowly eating a bowl of Doritos.

Re: Because he started a pitch...

fajensen

But, then his dose is not "micro".

Anonymous Coward

I took a lot of LSD in my youth, I think it was 76 in 1 year when I was 16. Not proud of it but it is what it is. The question is did it change the way I think? I think it did. I'll give an example. Last year I went to B&Q just after lockdown started and it was boiling hot outside and we were queueing in cars for ages. When we got to the front they directed us into bays. The bays were facing the sun. Everyone else parked forward yet I was the only one that parked backwards while I waited for them to bring to stuff to the car. This also translates into tech. There have been many times I've hit a problem only to come up with some really novel way of getting round it. I can't actually remember a time when I've had to do something with data in particular that I didn't get it done in the end. I was also the person in meetings that thought of something no one else did when working on projects. I don't advocate the use of LSD at all but I do think it has it's merits and probably needs some proper research.

Anonymous Coward

You just don't know, that might be your personality to begin with, it might give you a bit of perspective on things for a few months but unless you get lasting PTSD I don't see how it can affect your life going forward.

Don't forget it was your choice to try it so you were already the kind of person that has a slightly different way of thinking compared to the majority.

the Jim bloke

Not a drug user and never (willingly) have been, but still smart or experienced enough to park facing away from the sun. I do have some alienation issues where I believe the vast majority of people are not as intelligent as me, reinforced almost every time I see a switched on TV, doesnt matter what content its showing..

You may have sharper wit and deeper insights than most of your colleagues, but would they be even more profound if you hadnt killed those braincells back in the day....

Anonymous Coward

Dummy, should have kept it to himself!

Danny Boyd

"Startup" founded 8 years ago and still on backing from venture capital? No wonder, if its CEO flies with Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.

I see a trend here

storner

"Alcohol-fuelled Danish film directed by Thomas Vinterberg takes the top prize for non-English language film at the Academy Awards"

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/apr/26/another-round-starring-mads-mikkelsen-wins-best-international-feature-oscar

(Too obvious an icon, sorry...)

CEO of Iterable

Howard Sway

They've just moved on to the next one.

* programmer joke

Re: CEO of Iterable

Dinanziame

CEO++;

Re: CEO of Iterable

Jimmy2Cows

++CEO;

Pre-increment please. Any fule kno making a copy of your old CEO is inefficient.

When you are in it up to your ears, keep your mouth shut.