Minister tells the House of Lords it'll be another 12 weeks before UK's deleted criminal records can be restored
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2021/02/09/deleted_police_records_12_weeks/
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Problems with the code did not come to light until 10 January, when the Home Office became aware of the loss – 413,000 deleted records of evidence – and stopped the automated "weeding" process intended to remove records only for legal reasons.
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The loss of police records from the PNC – a Fujitsu BS2000/OSD SE700-30 mainframe based at a data centre in Hendon, London – [2]attracted public attention last month and led to a testy exchange in Parliament between Boris Johnson and opposition leader Sir Keir Starmer, in which [3]the Prime Minister admitted he did not know how many active police investigations the data loss affected.
Dratted 'housekeeping', eh? 150k+ records deleted off UK’s Police National Computer database [4]READ MORE
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In [6]a written statement to the House of Lords yesterday , Kit Malthouse, Minister of State for Crime and Policing, said the technical investigation had been completed, revealing that a total of 209,550 offence records associated with 112,697 persons' records had been wrongly deleted.
"Of these 15,089 individuals have had their data deleted in totality," he said.
An external review led by Lord Hogan-Howe, former commissioner for the London Metropolitan Police, would ensure the "necessary lessons are learned to avoid similar incidents in the future," Malthouse claimed. It is expected to report in mid-March.
He said technicians were confident the lost data could be restored and that the process would take 12 more weeks – at least five months after the faulty scripts were introduced. Tech teams would try to do it sooner but it was "vital that the data is restored safely to protect the integrity of the data," Malthouse said.
In its analysis, the Home Office found only 195 full fingerprint records were deleted, all of which were more than 10 years old. No records of convictions had been deleted and 99.5 per cent of the deleted files were created prior to 2011, Malthouse added.
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Although 26,000 records had been deleted from a DNA database, the Home Office had restored its backups to a "temporary, secure location." The department was making the data accessible to forces and national agencies "this week" and would set up a business process to enable matching in support of ongoing investigations, he said. ®
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I can image why.
Try this tape.
24 hours later....
Nope.
Ok try this one.
24 hours later...
Nope.
Ok try.....
If it's a script that removes things for legal reasons...
Doesn't give me much confidence that they're actually removing things when they remove things for legal reasons!
Re: If it's a script that removes things for legal reasons...
I seem to remember that, years ago, their defence as to why they couldn't remove things - such as records of arrests where people were then "unarrested" because they'd clearly got the wrong person, and the fingerprints taken at the time - was because it was too difficult and would affect other PNC records.
Turns out that wasn't for technical reasons, but for those of the competence of the team responsible for doing it. Who would ever have guessed?
(Where's the world-weary cynicism icon when you need it?)
Re: If it's a script that removes things for legal reasons...
Trust Me, I'm a Doctor The Home Secretary
Re: If it's a script that removes things for legal reasons...
Look Priti, we *do* support deletion:
- we can delete all of it, or
- we can delete none of it
Re: If it's a script that removes things for legal reasons...
As I recall, the Police computer records were known to be in breach of the then Data Protection Act, but were kept while parliament decided to change the law so that police records on people innocent of any crime but who had come to the attention of the police (such as victims, witnesses, members of victims' or witnesses families, people 'Driving While Black' etc.) could be kept for eternity (three years now) because, umm, the Police are 'above the law' in some respects. Oh and they had never envisioned a society in which they could not keep all the records they had obtained.
But then I'm old and my memory is not so good as it used to be.
A Fujitsu BS2000/OSD SE700-30 mainframe, eh?
Can we have full model names and specs of the machines used to run scripts that go wrong on all systems in future? I bet there is some right old tot being run on Dell boxes right now. I personally ran a whole heap of crap on a HP box HP-UX 11.11 before I got found out.
the process would take 12 more weeks
Is anyone else imagining rooms full of people squinting at faded old dot matrix printouts in order to type them all back in on knackered dumb terminals when they read this?
Re: the process would take 12 more weeks
I have visions of young trainee plod going round to retired plod and asking them nicely to look through their notebooks and try and remember who they nicked for the bank job back in 1978. I'm sure I saw it on The Sweeney once.
Re: the process would take 12 more weeks
Of course if the trainee looks like Makepeace, I'm sure they'll be happy to remember.... if not too distracted...
Re: the process would take 12 more weeks
Don't you mean Soolin
Re: the process would take 12 more weeks
Soolin or Makepeace - she's happily married to that American chap.
Re: the process would take 12 more weeks
I wouldn't be surprised if any of the ministers invoked "CSI" and asked why things couldn't be retrieved with a few keystrokes. Don't forget the accompanying teleprinter sound effects when the information is displayed on a dumb terminal
Re: the process would take 12 more weeks
How surprised would you be if any of the ministers asked "Didn't we have a service and uptime contract on this? And a backup policy? And tests of the backups in case they were needed? I'm sure we paid for all of this in the contract..."
Karma
How much of the deleted stuff should have been, erm... deleted, rather a long time ago anyway?
Re: Karma
Not to worry, it will all be restored and tagged with the current date so that the data will no longer be "aged", and will linger in the system for quite some time
Twelve weeks!?
I can only assume they are asking the office junior to manually re-enter the data from printed documents.
'A temporary, secure location'
The backup is currently on a memory stick strung around the neck of the office cat.
The confected outrage over this is ridiculous.