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I think the difference between the two lies in the fact the Geeks are more capable of keeping things running that politicians are.

Parler was set up as a political alternative not as a IT project..

Whether you like Parler or not, it's taking down is sign of what's too come. History has shown us already what these kinds of tactics can eventually lead too, and it's not looking very sunny.

If the politicians / media keep pushing their current agenda we are going to end up i' a very, very bad place.

It's almost like we never learn from our past mistakes.. History just keeps repeating...

I get it... give these free thinkers a place to wag their willies and spout their beliefs, and keep an eye on them too wink nudge... Nice policy! Keep your friends close, and keep your enemies closer?!

Yes, getting my coat with a copy of Machiavelli's "The Prince" in the pocket.

The real problem with platforms like these is that they are like that song, that one you really don't like, but you hear it enough, and finally without realizing it, you're tapping your to toe to it...

Parler's situation is not a matter of opinion. It openly promoted racism, sedition, insurrection and violence and death.

Allowing that is how history repeats itself. Not understanding that is also how history repeats itself.

"Parler's situation is not a matter of opinion. It openly promoted racism, sedition, insurrection and violence and death."

Parler don't promote anything, people do.. and people do the same thing Twitter/FB et al.. it's just that what they promote is in agreement with Twitters/FB current political stance.

What will happen when Twitter, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Google and Amazon stop agreeing because of some political difference, and it is definitely going to happen ? Thing will get to the stage where the internet will lose it's purpose.

The Internet is made to allow people to post information and other people to find it.

As surprising as this may be to some, the disappearance of Twitter, Amazon, Facebook and even Google will not destroy the Internet.

Something else will come and fill the void anyway.

>> racism, sedition, insurrection and violence and death

The USA was founded through sedition, insurrection and violence and death against British rule.

They were pretty keen on slaves too - full house.

If you learn nothing from history - that is how it repeats. Now remind me how well suppression and exclusions work against the disaffected? Helps bring people into the fold and heal wounds? Promoting insurrection isn't in itself a "bad" thing - e.g. insurrection against Pol Pot or Joseph Stalin was admirable. When insurrection is being promoted against a free and fair democracy that's when you know the promoters are feeling excluded - is suppression and exclusion going to help them accept they can make a difference in a legal and democratic way?

Thanks for proving my point while comparing apple to oranges.

You came so close to the trifecta.

Your point being history is repeated by allowing the promotion of violence, insurrection and racism? My point is that the promotion of violence, insurrection and racism are symptoms and merely suppressing the symptoms will not get the change we (the human race) really need. If anything the suppression itself becomes another justification for people to feel the way they do. Is the goal to have a better world or merely sweep the bad things under the carpet?

Would it not have been better to flood Parler with non-racist, democracy supporting, inclusive posts and posters? Highlight the weakness of the causes being put forward, the disjointed thinking and paranoia? Lance the boil and let it heal in the light and air, not just spread the poison elsewhere?

I hate to point this out but so does every other platform, they merely pick and choose which ones to promote and it's typically those which align with the owners philosophy.

Parler would still work with law enforcement where illegal acts were taking place, the difference is they didn't censor what people could say - they let them say it and didn't sweep it under the carpet without legal repercussion - which is what routinely happens on Facebook.

Which is better? I'm not sure in all honesty but I know I didn't join Parler because I'm right wing - I'm not, but I did spent most of my time on it laughing at right wing people but there were plenty of left leaning folks on there too for the drama.

Neither side was being censored because the owners felt like it.

"History has shown us already what these kinds of tactics can eventually lead too, and it's not looking very sunny."

I agree wholeheartedly! Delegitimating the electoral process, openly discussing plans to murder opposition members, and breaking into parliaments to chase out regularly elected officials, has been shown time and again to lead to very dark places indeed.

O wait, that wasn't what you meant?

If the politicians / media keep pushing their current agenda we are going to end up i' a very, very bad place.

Perhaps not in a worse place than if mis-information, lunatic conspiracy rabble rousing and hate-mongering is allowed to fester though.

"Perhaps not in a worse place than if mis-information, lunatic conspiracy rabble rousing and hate-mongering is allowed to fester though."

"Lunatic conspiracy rabble rousing and hate-mongering is allowed to fester though."

This is equally true on both the left and the right.. It's become inherent with how the Social Media sites make their money. If you want to stop the babbling and hate-mongering, you have to stop the communication between all parties...ie Stop Social Media....

Hate to break it to you, but those stories of antifa and BLM storming the U.S. Capital were not true.

And how does the situation come about?-

https://www.city-journal.org/about-whataboutism-and-political-hypocrisy

but plenty of the stuff about BLM and Antifa in Portland etc WERE true.

But those stories were banned from Facebook, Twitter etc. 5 died on Capitol Hill, DOZENS died in BLM "peaceful protests".

"Some very fine people on both sides"?

Fascists love to push a false equivalence between people opposed to fascism, and fascists. And unfortunately, a lot of people fall for it. It's not the same as arguing about levels of taxation, or how much the state should look after people. People promoting fascism explicitly want to give one particular group of people rights that another group of people don't have. The people promoting it come from that "in group".

The people who oppose fascism will come from both the "in-group" and the "out-group" and are pointing out that not only is fascism not justice, but that it always ends in tears. You might just as well argue that arsonists and fire-fighters are just different sides of the argument.

" When someone the size of Amazon dumps you, everyone else will deny you due to reputational damage.”

Talk to Pirate Bay, Mr. Matze, maybe they'll host Parler? It could be even cheaper than AWS. Even if it isn't, there are two big advantages: 1) PB seems to be unkillable; 2) they take it easy about "reputational damage".

Considering that when i last visited TPB some time ago, it was filled with ads for dodgy adult cam sites and dating sites I suspect they would take on hosting Parler if the money was good enough.

They are probably hosting in Russia or some other country that ignores the American world police DCMA take down notices.

@Danny Boyd

I hear Parler has found hosting already

He can host Parler, if he's so smart...