NHS looks to the market for advice on one system to replace two separate, giant Oracle ERP and HR systems
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The system will look after services which affect more than a million staff and billions of pounds worth of health budgets.
In a [1]tentative tender notice published this week, the executive body which oversees provision of the health service in the UK’s largest country, said it was looking for support and advice from software vendors only, to shift to an integrated cloud-based ERP for the NHS in England.
Although the document emphasised the chat with vendors was “not linked to a contracting opportunity”, it said it is looking to “build upon” the core staff records systems (Electronic Staff Record or ESR) and finance system (Integrated Single Finance Environment or ISFE), which are run by NHS SBS, a joint venture between the NHS and private sector procurement and business process outsourcing vendor Sopra Steria.
NHS England wants to “identify the likely benefits and drawbacks of adopting an integrated ERP versus separate ESR and finance systems,” it said. “This project will also need to consider required business process change to deliver the identified benefits.” .
It also wants suppliers to understand how big any system might need to be, should they get a slice of the action.
“To provide some idea of the scale and complexity of the integrated ERP solution, the current systems are used by over 450 separate organisations and over 1.7 million employees. The potential functionalities required are recruitment, HR, payroll, learning, talent management, finance, procurement, planning and budgeting,” the tender document said.
Business case by January - but it's very involved
It is not just scale, but also complexity. Any new system potentially encompasses various entitites of the NHS in England including all arm’s length bodies, trusts, foundations trusts, and integrated care systems. So that would mean providing the HR and finance backbone to running much of the health service, although some trusts do have their own ERP.
NHS England said it will hold discussions with vendors next week with a view to a recommended approach emerging in a draft outline business case by January 2021.
On the finance system at least, it may be cutting it pretty fine. In 2018, [2]NHS Shared Business Services announced it had won a contract extension to run the service to 2021.
NHS SBS has been [3]providing its finance and accounting services to NHS bodies since 2003 [PDF] .
In April 2007, it signed a six-year [4]£19m contract for a finance, accounting and payroll contract with Xansa, the outsourcing and IT business, based on an Oracle r11 system. Xansa was almost immediately [5]swallowed by Steria .
Creaky systems 'cost lives': Health secretary Matt Hancock pledges to solve NHS IT woes [6]READ MORE
In 2008, iSOFT Business Solutions, part of the iSOFT Group, [7]won a contract to host NHS England's Oracle finance and purchasing applications for a total of 8 years in a contract worth £28 million, with a plan to Oracle Release 12.
'Member NPfIT? We remember
Observers with long memories will recall that iSoft was one of the private sector casualties of the UK's National Programme for IT disaster, which was axed 2011 and "did not deliver key benefits, despite the Department spending an estimated £9.8bn on the Programme" according to the NAO.
In December 2010, [8]Capita bought iSoft Business Solutions for a consideration of £23 million on a cash-free, debt-free basis. Capita <a target="_blank" href="https://www.capita-ibs.co.uk/news/detail/isoft_business_solutions_changes_its_name_to_ib_solutions"<changed the name to Capita Integrated Business Solutions some time later.
After having its [9]shares suspended , iSoft itself was [10]sold to CSC .
On the HR side, the initial roll-out of [11]ESR was headed by McKesson , with Oracle providing the software and IBM the hardware, in 2006. The [12]service went to IBM in 2015.
Any software vendors or IT service providers tempted to take on the task of folding these two systems, each with a long and interesting history, into an integrated solution could be taking on a can of worms with a hornet's nest hidden inside. No doubt there would be enough money on the table for them to give it a go. ®
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[1] https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:486717-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0
[2] https://www.sbs.nhs.uk/newsletter-february2018-contract-extension
[3] https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/115100/response/298009/attach/6/Enc%204%20NHS%20SBS%20ISFE%20Proposal.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1
[4] https://investegate.co.uk/xansa-plc--xan-/rns/contract-win/200704020701051691U/
[5] https://uk.reuters.com/article/idUSL3029340220070730
[6] https://www.theregister.com/2018/09/06/nhs_expo_2018_hancock_speech_it_outdated/
[7] https://www.newswiretoday.com/news/67258/
[8] https://www.theregister.com/2010/12/14/capita_isoft/
[9] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2011/mar/24/isoft-for-sale
[10] https://www.theregister.com/2011/06/21/nhs_software/
[11] https://www.digitalhealth.net/2006/07/electronic-staff-record-now-biggest-nhs-payroll-provider/
[12] https://www.digitalhealth.net/2015/04/nhs-to-switch-esr-to-ibm-in-june/
[13] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
to soon ?
Excel or Google sheets?
Re: to soon ?
OpenOffice Calc.
FFS DON'T include GP's in this. Having spent time at an MSP supporting a large number of GP's surgeries in a county they are a total nightmare. Don't forget these are separate individual business they are NOT NHS and pretty much do what they want. Oh the fun onboarding them and trying to replace on prem DC's and other kit. If a surgery don't want to do something they won't the CCG might moan about it but that's about it
if you want your mind blown watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEARD4I3xtE I was shown this when I joined an MSP supporting the numerous NHS related clients, CCG, GP surgeries.
That story ended with the sentence "this story will inevitably continue".
But it was a pre brexit story, so there are many questions, some perhaps rather disturbing.
So based on what I gleaned from the video, the NHS is fragmented into so many different body, organisations and systems, that there are probably 20-30 managers, administrative and support staff for every doctor and nurse or qualified medical practitioner.
It looks as though the whole thing needs to be nuked from above and started from scratch. Of course that would not be too good for anyone who is currently unwell.
A clusterfuck wrapped in a disaster falling down a money hole!
obvious cloud deployment
This should definitely be a cloud solution.
no point mucking about with on prem & should be available for use by GP's & other NHS parasites.
the NHS is too big & too fragmented to anything else.
Re: obvious cloud deployment
why Cloud?
On prem in crown hosting is cheaper, more stable and more reliable than any cloud vendor. MS have had a massive outage recently, AWS has had outages and the less said about Google losing peoples data the better.
I could easily be built around Oracle Databases, be 100% resilient without handing yourself over to US based cloud providers desperate for the data.
Looks like they havent learned anything from NPfIT.
More vapourware coming our way :-(
£9.8bn I read somewhere it was more like £12bn. I wonder if paddy power will take bets on this being a utter cluster fuck in about 5 years time!? The payout might pay for my retirement!