How do you solve 'disruption' at the UK border after Brexit? Let's call Peter Thiel! AI biz Palantir – you're hired
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/09/17/uk_contracts_palantir_border/
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According to [1]documents seen by The Guardian , Palantir, co-founded by Trump-backing Peter Thiel, has been contracted by the Cabinet Office to build a Border Flow Toolkit.
The Cabinet Office is charged with coordinating the UK's preparedness for border, immigration and customs arrangements as the rules change when the UK officially exits the Brexit transition agreement on 31 December 2020.
In the US, [2]Palantir , which is contracted to US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), has created an Analytical Framework for Intelligence to pull data from federal, state and local law-enforcement databases to create individual profiles and citizens thought to represent a risk are tracked. The database includes personal details, social connections and travel histories, [3]according to documents .
According to information leaked to The Guardian , Palantir was contracted to build the Border Flow Toolkit on 11 September, having completed a "successful test connection made to Home Office system with Palantir technology" a few days earlier.
The document states that the Cabinet Office is "currently working with Palantir to demonstrate [its] data connector can share information from the [Home Office] and [Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs] systems with minimum lag".
The Cabinet Office is currently "processing commercial elements" for Palantir to provide a data-sharing platform dubbed "Foundry".
"Palantir [is] delivering Foundry service and data infrastructure to allow information to be shared from multiple systems and integrated onto a platform," the document explained.
Brexit border-line issues: Would you want to still be 'testing' software designed to stop Kent becoming a massive lorry park come 31 December? [4]READ MORE
It also promises to "embed" Border Flow Toolkit in the Borders, Immigration and Citizenship System. "The product must deliver the situational awareness and predictive capability needed to mitigate and manage potential disruption at the border," the documents added.
The Cabinet Office has not responded to The Register 's request for comment.
'Smart' Fright (typo but we're keeping it)
The Border Flow Toolkit is not the only Cabinet Office-led technology project pinning its hopes on IT teams meeting their milestones to avoid border chaos as the UK leaves the EU in a practical sense at the end of the year.
According to [5]Bloomberg , the Cabinet Office's Smart Freight System, which allows truck drivers and logistics firms to pre-check paperwork for a border cross in the hope of reducing delays, will only go into beta testing in mid-December. It will not be complete before April, transport lobby group Logistics UK said in a statement.
But, in news to anyone who has loaded beta software, the government reckons the system will be working in December. ®
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[1] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/17/uk-awards-border-contract-to-firm-criticised-over-role-in-us-deportations#img-2
[2] https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/26/palantir_s_1_ipo_filing_ice/
[3] https://www.theregister.com/2017/01/17/techs_protest_possible_muslim_db
[4] https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/04/brexit_export_import_sytem_late/
[5] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-15/key-border-it-system-won-t-be-ready-for-brexit-industry-warns
[6] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
Re: How do you solve 'disruption' at the UK border after Brexit?
Although it's a much harder job when the "criminals, drug dealers, rapists" you are rounding up to put in cages are all blue-eyed blonde English speaking europeans.
Might need some software updates
Re: How do you solve 'disruption' at the UK border after Brexit?
No need to update the software. The blood of all their victims clients is red.
Re: How do you solve 'disruption' at the UK border after Brexit?
He only drinks the blood of the young though.
https://www.theregister.com/2016/08/01/peter_thiel_wants_young_blood_for_longevity/
Re: How do you solve 'disruption' at the UK border after Brexit?
At least their trying to get some forms of intelligence in all of this and what can go wrong with beta software. Keep calm and remember the empire
Hmm
For a start we should probably start arresting French border patrol boats for escorting sinking migrant dinghies into UK waters.
Re: Hmm
If you are going down that route, the navy and coastguard can start confiscating Spanish fishing boats close to British waters.
It may be a good start to the UK having a fishing fleet again.
Re: Hmm
>It may be a good start to the UK having a fishing fleet again.
Don't understand the weird fetishism over fishing, the money's terrible, the work dangerous, the stock which Brits actually eat permanently depleted and the UK's fishing quotas were sold off (by UK gov) to a handful of hedge funds years ago who are the only people in the mix who see a real guaranteed profit.
I'm not sure you'll find a huge queue forming to risk life and limb for 10K a year - on the hope that 10 years down the line you might make 30k as a skipper....aside from the tech having moved on a bit, a single super trawler is a match for an entire fishing community back in the halycon days the flag shaggers seem to think we're returning to.
Re: Hmm
Would love to but I'm currently training for one of the highly rewarding careers in the turnip picking industry - now that the Eu no longer forces all these cushy jobs to go to foreigners.
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> Would love to but I'm currently training for one of the highly rewarding careers in the turnip picking industry
You do know that you're not allowed to snigger at the funny-shaped ones until after you have completed your apprenticeship?
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@AC
"Don't understand the weird fetishism over fishing"
i dont get it either. But then I prefer office work. Different interests for different people.
"the stock which Brits actually eat permanently depleted"
Not sure its permanent but the reduction in fishing stocks seemed to be attributable to EU regulations from what I read. Alternatively leasing areas would probably work better since they make more money by actually having fish vs just meeting a quota by politicians.
Re: Hmm
There is no way the reduction in fish stocks is due to EU regs. The regs are there to save whatever is left of the stock after overfishing, some of which may be from illegal Russian or Chinese supertrawlers.
You may mean reductions in permissible catches under EU regs. That will change post Brexit, but the number of fish in the sea will continue to diminish unless sustainable international fishing targets are agreed upon and enforced by everyone.
How this horribly incompetent Westminster cabinet manages its fishing stocks, or anything else after Brexit, remains to be seen. I'm not encouraged.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/aug/18/where-did-all-the-cod-go-fish-chips-north-sea-sustainable-stocks
Re: Hmm
@First Light
"There is no way the reduction in fish stocks is due to EU regs. The regs are there to save whatever is left of the stock after overfishing, some of which may be from illegal Russian or Chinese supertrawlers."
The regs might be there with the best intentions but its the consequences that matter. Just as the gov might have the best intentions with its covid advice while making an amusing/irritating mess.
Re: the gov might have the best intentions with its covid advice
best intentions? but for whom?
Re: Hmm
Well they have been managing it for the past 26 years.
The goal seems to be achieving Mediterranean levels of over fishing in the North Sea.
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>Not sure its permanent but the reduction in fishing stocks seemed to be attributable to EU regulations from what I read
Everything bad is attributable to EU regulations according to most of our press.....industrial methods ensured stocks were almost wiped out long before EU tried to fix things - even so fish have proven uncooperative and refuse to stick to the borders.
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You have obviously never been to the Broch (Fraserborough).
All five bedroom bungalows with four flash cars parked out front.
Deep sea fishing pays spectacularly well if there is a good catch.
Re: Hmm
The fishing fleet thing is the same as the Trumpian 'wall' thing - make a huge deal of an insignificant factor that has some sort of nationalistic tokenism involved, that way you can wheel it out every time you need to distract Joe/sephine public from whatever you're fscking up today...
Re: Hmm
Your comment shows a real lack of understanding as to the serious, very real issues affecting our ability to control our borders. You should apply for a job at the Home Office. You seems to be well qualified !
Re: apply for a job at the home office
Would be funny but I get the impression Boris really will adopt Trump's hiring policy. Apparently 'taking back control' means doing whatever Thiel wants.
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@AC
"Your comment shows a real lack of understanding as to the serious, very real issues affecting our ability to control our borders."
Actually it is a serious problem that again occurred. People smuggling by a country that doesnt want them there so helps them enter another country illegally. Not missing how sick it is for them not to pick these people up from an overcrowded boat that is literally sinking as the French border patrol just watched.
Re: Hmm
You have it completely backward my friend.
These people have the right to board a dinghy in France or Belgium or wherever and have a nice little sail around the Channel waters.
The French navy is not escorting them. They are keeping an eye on them to make sure they do not sink and drown, but under what pretence should they be stopping them? Just because Priti Patel and the Daily Mail readers *think* they are going to illegally enter UK waters?
*Once* they actually enter the British waters, it's up to the British border force to enforce UK laws (while abiding by international treaties regarding refugees which the UK has ratified .. and Boris not yet decided to ignore), and out of the French hands.
I have no idea why people think it'd be up to the French to police the UK borders. If the UK had not decided to sub-contract the policing of its borders to the other side of the channel 25 years or so ago, we wouldn't be where we are now.
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@AC
"These people have the right to board a dinghy in France or Belgium or wherever and have a nice little sail around the Channel waters."
Erm, are you sure? If these people had the legal right to board the dinghy in those countries then they would also have the right to enter the UK via legal means. That people travel through multiple countries to illegally enter the UK from our neighbour countries is not their legal right.
"The French navy is not escorting them. They are keeping an eye on them to make sure they do not sink and drown, but under what pretence should they be stopping them?"
That is an interesting comment which does come with the reasonable position that we shouldnt even bother saving these people since it is the French allowing them to drown in UK waters. But as illegal migrants it is on the French to deal with them and not pass on the problem to the UK.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/17/french-border-guards-escort-overcrowded-migrant-boat-into-uk-waters-13284642/
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I forgot that you need a permit to board a dinghy. Still, if the turnip picking doesn't work out, mabe after we sort Covid we can retrain the Covid Marshalls as dinghy permit checkers.
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That just all sounds like something Farage,The Dingy Nonce would spout.
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To send British border patrol boats into French territorial waters and "arrest" French law enforcement officers is not very clever.
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@Weylin
"To send British border patrol boats into French territorial waters and "arrest" French law enforcement officers is not very clever."
I dont think it would be too big a problem. International law on asylum seeking puts the responsibility on the first safe country (which to us would be France, to France would be wherever they entered). By not intervening the Border guards are effectively supporting the illegal migration, or in this case intentionally allowing these migrants to sink in UK waters by refusing to intervene which puts the responsibility on them. We could even claim to be doing the French a favour by bringing these criminals to international courts to decide on the legality of their efforts. Maybe they could be tried for negligence or attempted murder as well as supporting the illegal crossing.
After such a public shaming even if the border guards are considered innocent it might make a difference.
Re: Hmm
Speechless - or am I missing the whoosh parrot? But if that's the way we are going, why focus on negligent enablement of border crossing? Why not nip over to Syria and arrest Assad for genocide, or Moscow and pick up Putin under the poison acts?
Palantir
...if only there were some clue that this chuffing company was not to be trusted with our data.
Re: Palantir
How dare you speak that way about the Heros Of Brexit/Covid!!!!
Re: You can't
Ever heard of Cambridge Analytica?
https://mashable.com/2018/03/22/facebook-peter-thiel-cambridge-analytica/?europe=true
GDPR?
The contract details will be interesting from GDPR perspective. If any processing is done outside EU, it's probably illegal from the get go, plus deliberate UK gov policy because 5 eyes.
Bet there aren't any mandatory monetary penalties in case of data flow 'accidents'.
Re: GDPR?
We have taken back control! We can now stick it to Europe by sending all our personal details straight to Thiel in the US of Trumpistan. Now say how much you love big brother before Miniluv sends you to a joycamp.
Re: GDPR?
" If any processing is done outside EU, it's probably illegal"
Not if protected by adequate safeguards (GDPR Chapter V).
Palantir?
The outfit with the toxic IPO and bogus technology? What's wrong with Autonomy?
Pathetic Palantir Plan
An epic fail in the making with this last-minute, "Hail Mary" effort. How can Palantir even pretend they will be able to accomplish this in the time frame?
After four years of Trump/Brexit, I think I'm becoming numb. Superlatives have lost their meaning.
Re: Pathetic Palantir Plan
Indeed, it seems the feckety fecking feckers are running the asylum now. Don't be too surprised if the Orange One wins a second term*.
* Just four more years and I'll get that steel mill re-opened. Honest!
Re: accomplish this in the time frame
What makes you think there is the slightest intention of delivering anything useful to the UK on time?
So we’ll be getting a world lead Truck and Trace application?
palantir
I would have thought that Christopher Tolkien could sue Peter Thiel for breach of copyright or some such.
As to what our benighted ministers/spads/spivs are up to. I am beyond despair now.
It will all end in tears
Using fancy AI for a basic book keeping tasks.
Enter goods: type quantity and value.
Change VAT if type not VAT-exempt
Charge extra tariff if tariffs apply to type
Send bill
How is AI going to apply to such a plodding business logic.
This drives me nuts...
You can fart around with all sorts of gov sponsored crap on the blighty side of the channel to finesse whatever. The problem is "we" are a third country as of next year and that means checks and paperwork and queues. Forget traffic jams and think of the ferry jam.
Financial stability <-> public service contracts
If a remember an earlier El Reg article about this contractor correctly they've been loss-making for years. How sustainable is that? I thought that financial stability was one of the requirements when tendering for UK public sector contracts:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/900525/MSC-Guidance-2020.pdf
Any public procurement wizards out there who can enlighten us?
Re: Financial stability <-> public service contracts
My working assumption is that they’re the Air America of technology companies....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_(airline)
How do you solve 'disruption' at the UK border after Brexit?
You hire someone who is politically and ideologically aligned with your world view.