Trucking hell: Kid leaves dad in monster debt after buying oversized vehicle on eBay
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/08/21/6yo_buys_19k_monster_truck_off_ebay/
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However, our cynical hearts go out to the father whose six-year-old son splashed £19,000 through his PayPal account – on an actual, real-life monster truck.
Mohammad Faraji, from Wallsend in North Tyneside, England, [1]told ChronicleLive that he's now being chased by debt collectors over a piece of extreme engineering that he never wanted nor has the means to pay for.
But the 45-year-old committed the cardinal parenting sin of leaving his laptop logged in where his "monster truck-obsessed" kid, Ario, could get to it – and then apparently browse tat bazaar eBay to pick up some new oversized wheels.
"It's unbelievable that PayPal would pay it without sending any notification or contacting me to find out if I wanted to pay that amount of money," he said. "They didn't keep it in payment pending or need any confirmation from me."
The problem is that PayPal does fire off a notification email to the customer when a purchase has been made, and anyone who has ever tried to raise a dispute with the Elon Musk and Peter Thiel-founded payment platform will know that they can be notoriously uncooperative.
The purchase went through all the way back in March and although Faraji tried to explain that it was made in error, the seller wouldn't cancel, instead helpfully informing the dad that he could come and pick up the stupidly large truck.
PayPal is adamant that Faraji sorts it out with the seller and eBay, but the takeaway worker reckons PayPal doesn't have enough checks regarding massive and out-of-character payments. Although he hasn't taken ownership of the monster truck and tried to cancel the deal, PayPal has set the debt collectors on him for the full amount.
"Nobody can force me to buy a £19,000 monster truck," he said. "PayPal should act more like my debit card, they should check with my bank account to see if I have the money, or if there is suspicious activity.
"I've used PayPal for over 10 years but I've just been buying £4, £10, £20 items, never anything like this.
"I haven't got that kind of money in my bank account, and nobody in their right mind would buy a car for that much money without seeing it, but it still went through. For the amount of money they sent, there should have been some kind of extra security."
He added: "I know it's my fault that I hadn't checked my laptop and that it had saved the password – my son is only little but he's clever for his age and good with computers. He loves monster trucks, and the 29th of March is his birthday, on the 28th he said he wanted a truck, but I never guessed he wanted to buy a real monster truck for himself.
"It was my mistake and I will pay a penalty if I need to – but not the full amount."
A PayPal spokesman told The Register : "PayPal never loses sight of the fact that we are entrusted to look after people's money – we take this responsibility very seriously and have a robust process in place for purchases made in error. Once a customer makes a purchase on eBay and pays for it using PayPal, they receive emails from both PayPal and eBay confirming the transaction.
"PayPal's email to the customer following a transaction highlights the customer has 180 days to open a dispute in the Resolution Centre and also explains the process for contacting the seller directly. If the purchase was made in error, PayPal recommends contacting the seller directly to try to secure a resolution in the first instance. If this is unsuccessful, the buyer should contact eBay's customer services team and work with them on solving the specific issue."
We also contacted eBay for further comment.
And in case you're wondering, yes, Ario has been banned from using his father's laptop. ®
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[1] https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/wallsend-dad-furious-after-son-18806420
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"Suscicious Activity"?
A few years ago, I had a credit card I typically used for the usual household items and computer equipment. One day I used it at a household appliance store for a purchase much larger than I'd even used it for. The store got a notice back that the card wasn't declined, but I had to call a number to verify the purchase. The reason was the purchase was so many thousands of $$$ more than I'd normally used the card for it counted as "suspicious activity".
I'm surprised PayPal doesn't have a similar system for fraud prevention.
But it was purchased by the father according to the eBay and PayPal credentials used. And how do we know this isn't just buyer's remorse?
You would need to prove it was actually made by a minor.
Under EU rules - if they still apply in UK - any online purchase can be cancelled withing 14 days:
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/guarantees-returns/index_en.htm
But it doesn't apply if you bought from a private individual - which may be this case. Probably the seller was happy to have offloaded to some stupid the stupid truck eventually, and doesn't want to wait for another one.
That's one reason not to enable any auto-payment features - I prefer I'm always required to enter credentials for purchases. If there's some form of 2FA, the better. Even for small purchases.
As far as eBay and PayPal are concerned
the purchase was made by dad, as it was him that was logged in.
Whether it was his son, his cat or his pet goldfish that actually worked the keyboard during the purchase is impossible for the remote parties to discern, nor whether said creatures are authorised to use that account or not.
A sanity check for an out-of-character purchase, especially one of that magnitude, would not be amiss, though.
If you want to get in the shit, let your kids play on your computer. Otherwise, don't.
Simples!
Doesn't sound too bright
Doesn't sound too bright.
A) EBay *and* paypal DO send notices saying a purchase was made. So the bit about having no notification is false.
B) It's not their job to decide you didn't really want to buy something, or to ask "are you sure" a bunch of times. They DO have you go through several screens on the web site first, and they DO have anti-fraud systems -- but this purchase was not fraudulent, it was made from your computer on your account.
C) Obviously there's some way to cancel a purchase, particularly when nothing has been delivered. Waiting until it goes to collections is not the way to do it.
Clearly someone, somewhere, in this chain operating a credit facility. I would start asking if the appropriate ombudsmen should be got involved.
Alternatively something in this story doesnt quite pass the sniff test.
Unlikely story
19000 GBP is way above the limit of any credit card I have ever laid hands on. And a payment will bounce if the card is a debit card with insufficient coverage.
Re: Unlikely story
Could be a linked bank account using DD but even so I doubt paypal would release £19,000 otherwise people would be scamming them like crazy.
That Paypal window that comes up when you go to pay through Paypal to enter your password has a pre-ticked option to leave it permanently logged in.
Don't take it . This guy must have done that and this is the consequence.
Annoyingly the only other option is something to the effect of not now. The option to never show it again isn't presented. I wonder if having a default which leaves the account exposed gives him some slight leverage.
Yes... leave me logged in, ask me later. No option for fuck off and never ask me again.
I use pron mode for all financial transactions to avoid auto login and recognition - though it wouldn't surprise me to learn that ebay have found a way to track me through that...
Flashback
Those with children born ca. 1990 may remember the computer game Monster Truck Madness. It did not involve eBay.
Re: Flashback
Must have been a spinoff of one of my favs, Midtown Madness.
That will leave a mark
Ouch, feel sorry for the guy to a degree. Sorry I have to leave you with the Forrest Gump "Stupid is as stupid does."
I hope he has learned something...
Re: That will leave a mark
I'm not sure stupid is the word. Ill-informed, or ill-advised, perhaps? The whole online marketing thing is designed to make it absolutely painless to purchase online - Amazon, Ebay and no doubt others want you to just click and go.
There's a psychological block, I think, about handing over five pound notes. Using plastic doesn't tend to trigger the same thoughtful response, and click to buy is an absolute menace.
I remember when voice-activated assistants like Alexa first started rolling out...
There was a newsstory about a little girl who talked her parents' Alexa device into buying 5 pounds of sugar cookies and a big Barbie dollhouse.
I guess safeguards haven't progressed much since then.
I don't know about Blighty but on this side of the pond any purchase made by a minor is considered invalid without a parent or legal guardian's approval.