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Remember that black hole just 1,000 light years from Earth? Scientists queue up to say it may not exist after all

(2020/07/02)


The black hole thought to be nearest to Earth – a mere 1,000 or so light years away – may not exist at all, more than a dozen scientists have warned.

The astronomers have written papers, listed below, concluding that the nearby star system HR 6819 does not contain a black hole at all, let alone the closest one to our fragile planet, contrary to a previous study:

Is HR 6819 a triple system containing a black hole? – An alternative explanation

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by J. Bodensteiner, T. Shenar, L. Mahy, M. Fabry, P. Marchant, M. Abdul-Masih, G. Banyard, D. M. Bowman, K. Dsilva, A. J. Frost, C. Hawcroft, M. Reggiani, and H. Sana of the Institute of Astronomy, at KU Leuven in Belgium.

A stripped-companion origin for Be stars: clues from the putative black holes HR 6819 and LB-1

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by Kareem El-Badry and Eliot Quataert of the Department of Astronomy and Theoretical Astrophysics Center, University of California Berkeley, Berkeley, in the US.

The nearest discovered black hole is likely not in a triple configuration

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by Mohammadtaher Safarzadeh and Abraham Loeb of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in the US, and Silvia Toonen of the Institute of Gravitational Wave Astronomy, University of Birmingham, England.

Back in May, a paper

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written by folks at the European Southern Observatory (ESO) with the help of others, and published in Astronomy & Astrophysics, said HR 6819 consisted of two bright blue suns – one a B-type star, and the other a Be-type – and a [5]black hole .

Multi-star systems aren’t particularly special, though this one appeared to be – as it would seem to be home to the nearest black hole to Earth. The ESO team said they clocked the hole by analyzing the motion of the blue stars in the system. One appeared to be stationary while the other seemed to be orbiting a third mystery object. The boffins declared the void a black hole, and calculated its mass to be about 4.2 solar masses.

“The basic argument is the same as with planet detecting, [something known as the] ' [6]radial velocity method ',” Thomas Rivinius, an ESO astronomer and lead author of the May study, told The Register , explaining how his team came to its conclusion.

“We see one object rushing back and forth within two months, up to 60 kilometres per second. Using both Kepler's and Newton's laws, this gives the smallest possible mass for the counter-body in this orbital motion, but it depends on whether the object we see is a normal star or a highly exotic object.

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“We know there are two luminous objects in the system. One of the two we see is a normal Be star, that is not disputed. The other might be a normal B star as well. In that case, the fact it has a high radial velocity amplitude must mean that there is a third object and that this third body is a black hole.”

But the other experts don’t agree. After studying the same data, at least some of them believe the blue stars are actually orbiting each other, and there is no black hole. “Rivinius et al found that the Be star was stationary,” Kareem El-Badry, an astronomy PhD student at the University of Berkeley, California, told El Reg .

“In that case, you need a black hole, since the B star needs to be orbiting something. But we showed, by disentangling the composite spectra, that the B star is actually orbiting the Be star. We've shown that all the properties of the system can be explained by a model without a black hole, so there's no reason to posit that one exists."

The team at KU Leuven appeared to support this idea in their paper, too. Rivinius, however, is not convinced they are right, though he acknowledged that both the Berkeley and KU Leuven analysis carry some merit. In order for the opposing view to be correct, it requires the B-type star to have a very low mass and strange properties. It has to be a so-called stripped helium star – the leftover remnants of a sun that has been eaten away by its larger companion solar body.

“It would have been a supergiant just before, and very recently dumped most of its mass onto the Be star, and is now contracting rapidly to become a subdwarf,” Rivinius said of the B-type sun. "Such a contraction phase lasts maybe a few ten-thousand years, and no other object is known to be in such a phase. In scientific terms, it would be the far more extraordinary discovery, as black holes are in fact quite common.”

He did note, however, that although unlikely, this scenario isn't impossible given the data. The best way to settle the argument once and for all is to observe the system using [8]interferometry .

The ESO team has submitted a proposal to use the interferometer instrument on its Very Large Telescope, and if approved, they can begin their study as early as October. Rivinius isn’t hopeful.

“Whether it will be possible to observe HR 6819 this season, before it goes behind the Sun, is unfortunately not certain given the current state of South America," he said, referring to the surge in COVID-19 coronavirus cases on the continent. "Currently, both observing and proposal submission is suspended. We may have to wait until next year.” ®

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[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2006.10770.pdf

[2] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2006.11974v1.pdf

[3] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2006.11872.pdf

[4] https://www.eso.org/public/archives/releases/sciencepapers/eso2007/eso2007a.pdf

[5] https://www.theregister.com/2020/05/06/nearest_black_hole_earth/

[6] https://lco.global/spacebook/exoplanets/radial-velocity-method/

[7] https://www.theregister.com/2020/05/06/nearest_black_hole_earth/

[8] https://www.eso.org/public/teles-instr/technology/interferometry/

[9] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/

I feel an overwhelming urge to quote Holly!

KittenHuffer

Well, the thing about a black hole - its main distinguishing feature - is it's black. And the thing about space, the colour of space, your basic space colour, is black. So how are you supposed to see them?

And before anyone mentions it .... Yes! This is a copy & paste from my post for the last black hole story. But it actually fits better here!

Because she also has an IQ of 6000 --------------->

(+/-5999)

Who is stealing the stars?

b0llchit

First we have the situation of a star [1]going missing , presumably becoming a black hole without any big bang. Now, a black hole goes missing?

My guess, the aliens are tired of us and are actively interfering with our view of the universe. Next up, galaxies start dancing whenever multiple telescopes look at the same object at the same time (introductory course to improbability research) or things get hidden in plain sight (elementary SEP field theory).

[1] https://www.theregister.com/2020/07/01/star_disappears_hubble/

Re: Who is stealing the stars?

Steve Crook

The Nine Billion Names Of God. It's what supercomputers were made for...

Re: Who is stealing the stars?

Anonymous Coward

The Nine Billion Names Of God

As we see more and more stars going out, it doesn't indicate the impending end of the Universe. The other residents of the galaxy, having studied us quite closely since we unintentionally announced our presence by industrialising our planet, have decided that our propensity for utter idiocy precludes any further contact in case it's contagious.

"Huh, they think they can build big walls" they said as they began construction of a Dyson sphere big enough to enclose the entire Oort cloud...

Re: Who is stealing the stars?

Stumpy

With the stars going out ... how can we be sure that it isn't a Vogon Constructor Fleet building a new Hyperspatial Bypass?

Re: Who is stealing the stars?

b0llchit

Yes, yes,... "Where God Went Wrong", "Some More of God's Greatest Mistakes" and "Who is this God Person Anyway?". But, the real kicker is "Well, That About Wraps It Up For God".

So, enumerating all those Nine Billion Names of a non-existent entity called God is a kind of a futile occupation. But then, futility is the basis for most existence anyway, so, if it keeps yourself busy without interfering too much; I guess.

Re: Who is stealing the stars?

Paul Kinsler

It's an update on the old "tree falls in a forest" conundrum:

If a black hole disappears in a distant solar system, does it make a soun... um, no, I mean emit any photo... er... ah... will astrophysicists ever agree on what happened?

Re: Who is stealing the stars?

Rich 11

That space-time smooths out a little bit?

Re: Who is stealing the stars?

TeeCee

God is an iron.

Re: Who is stealing the stars?

Louis Schreurs

So I fiercely try to be a good (God?) boy and try to find God. Now I have to check EVERY iron.

Re: Who is stealing the stars?

Chris G

It's worse than that Jim!

These missing stellar bodies are part of a new unversal advertising campaign, the removal of the stellar bodies is to make way for three dimensional advertising hoardings, they will be erected by Universal Goobuuk the largest ad conglomerate in the cosmos.

Nice

Lars

Nice that scientists are wiling to warn us like this.

It's called rigour

Michael H.F. Wilkinson

This is why scientists always check each other's work, and don't take results posted by others at face value. More data are needed, as so often. Whatever the outcome, something interesting is going on. Either there is a black hole so close to earth (for a typically astronomical value of "close"), or a binary star system has been caught in the midst of a short (for a typically astronomical value of "short") evolutionary phase

Re: It's called rigour

tfb

Yes, this is a really good example of that. In particular it's a great counterexample to the kind of all-the-scientists-are-conspiring-to-suppress- x things you hear too often. Here's a claim that would be hugely, hugely cool it it were true and would not show any theories to be false, and a couple of other groups have gone 'OK, let's look really hard at the data ... no, looks to be wrong after all, oh well'.

Re: It's called rigour

b0llchit

No, the scientists are not conspiring. It is the universe that is conspiring on a (typical astronomical) scale not seen before. The universe is trying to teach us a lesson. However, due to (typical astronomical) time scale, we need to wait a (astronomical) number of generations for the lesson to sink in.

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