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Presumably a thermonuclear explosion would also destroy the virus.

Just putting this out there, its worth testing, I'm very smart, what does this red button do ?

Oh great. I just heard Dexter's sister Didi asking "What does this button do?", Dexter replying "Don't press the button!", & Didi happily pressing the button to cause an explosion.

To quote Gir from Invader Zim, "We're all doomed! WHEEEEEEEEEEE!"

Enjoy a pint or five & don't forget to eat those packets of nuts... =-Jp

It seems not at all a coincidence that Mark Grenon, the largest producer and distributor of chlorine dioxide bleach as a “miracle cure” in the US, wrote to Trump earlier this touting his product.

Speaking of his base, an interesting, if incredibly morbid, article from Politico: "Elderly Trump voters dying of coronavirus could cost him in November."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/23/how-coronavirus-could-upend-2020-battlegrounds-204708

He's signalling to his anti-vaxxer, bleach swigging base that he's one of them.

"Them" being pseudo-science woo-woo merchants.

Unfortunately the dead can't vote (Chicago excepted)

"Chicago excepted"

Chicago isn't unique in that respect.

No, the latest news is that Trump claims he was just sarcastic through the whole thing.

He sure fooled me! I didn't get a hint of sarcasm from him throught the whole ordeal.

Not limiting it to intelligent sentences but complete, structured, use of the English language.

Heck “The cat sat on the mat.” would do.

Only when he's reading the prepared script. It's easy to tell when he wanders off script and then eventually, probably accidentality, finds his way back to it.

I've watched a few of his performances live on CNN here i the UK and it's terrifying. I'm surprised he's still having face to face PR meetings though. I'd have thought he'd have spotted the UK technique of having the reports Skype/Teams/Zoom in. That would make it even easier for him to interrupt, mute or cut off anyone asking "awkward" questions.

Looking at the frustration on the reporters and the experts faces, I'm rather surprised no one has bitten the bullet and called him out there and then, called him an idiot and walked out. I'd do do with no fear of being "banned" from future briefings since I'd not want to be there ever again.

At least at the UK briefings, they generally tell it more or less how it is, don't interrupt questioners part way through, give them a chance at a follow up, and only then move onto the next one and never turn it into a vote winning campaign meeting. I'm not naive though. There are obvious moments when questions don't get answered properly or are avoided. On the whole, I'd rather the UK method that the Trump method.

A few weeks back, one of my friends was explaining to her kid the importance of washing their hands, and how soap would kill the virus.

"In that case mummy, why don't we just eat soap to kill the disease?"

Only three years old, and already plenty qualified to lead the dumbest nation on Earth.

(PS, I'm assuming the QAnon loons are trumpeting it as a sign of how close he is to washing the deep state or some such bollocks?)

I've been talking to some friends and none of the dope smokers have had any symptoms or problems at all, they are all very chill abut this ... should I mention it to the President?

Goves daughter got a test cos she was coughing and she's a bit rastafarian by the sounds of it. Well the sound was twitter deleting all her posts but it sounded like someone ripping rizzlas from their packet.

Trump didn't tell anybody to inject or drink anything.

He mused aloud in what is basically word salad ... but he certainly didn't tell anybody to inject or drink anything. Reacting as though he did makes *you* look nuts, not him.

Quotes from the transcript below. Decide for yourself if you consider this extremely dangerous behaviour from the american president, bearing in mind the evidence that stupid people will take what he says as gospel (i.e the couple who took the hydroxychloroquine left over from their fish because they believed Trump when he said it was a cure (and in case you've forgotten the man died and the woman almost did)).

Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.

later in the conference

REPORTER: But I — just, can I ask about — the President mentioned the idea of cleaners, like bleach and isopropyl alcohol you mentioned. There’s no scenario that that could be injected into a person, is there? I mean —

BILL BRYAN (leads the Science and Technology Directorate at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security): No, I’m here to talk about the findings that we had in the study. We won’t do that within that lab and our lab. So —

TRUMP: It wouldn’t be through injection. We’re talking about through almost a cleaning, sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work. But it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object.

transcript in full at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/transcript-what-trump-said-about-disinfectant-uv-light-at-briefing_3325402.html

As someone posted above. It's not that they necessarily are saying eat/inject the bleach. It's that (in the word salad) the question was "why can't we instantly develop a drug/spray/injection that can kill this virus like bleach and disinfectant can".

And yes, perhaps in 20 years time some new drug or chemical could be injected in your body to attack specifically and only viruses. But now is not that time, and suggesting "we can use teleporters, I've seen the work on them, they are going to be the bestest teleporters" is not necessarily insane, until you realise the person asking thinks we do already have them.

Similar with the comments on the anti malarials, it was not an insane comment, it was extremely wrong, as it failed to note the time required to test and produce them to "finish it quickly, it will be over in a week, it's very much an over exaggeration, we will have the bestest treatments" etc. :(

PS, and turns out the anti-malarial treatments are not working as well or worse causing complications for covid patients. And others put it better below. These "treatments" are not "bleach" and the statements are dangerous word salad, but based on desperate hope and some helpful science. It seems if the chief medical advisor had the best advice ever with real help, a certain someone would still turn it into the worse advice and a dangerous call!

No sorry. I watched this mess live (I'm still at a loss to explain why).

Word salad or not, he did state we should try injecting it as a treatment, then went on to insinuate that it could be used to clean the lungs (admittedly no delivery method was mentioned).

He was talking about disinfectant. No mention of bleach (thankfully, as some use this as a hideously painful form of suicide). He did not mention other products, he did not say develop a drug like disinfectant. He said we should try inject it, to treat the infection inside. In-fucking-side (profanity directed at Trump, not you).

I get what you're saying. He regularly rambles on, emitting an unintelligible word-salad of nonsense.. so it stands to reason that maybe the same happened here. It did not. He said the words, in the correct order to make a sentence. On the one hand I was delighted for him, he said an actual sentence in English. On the other I was in a state of shock for about 3 minutes, unable to respond, after hearing what that sentence was.

And yes, he did mention using UV light, but as he clearly has no understanding of science, he does not recognize how dangerous this would be. It's unfortunate that someone allowed him to learn of this method of cleaning surfaces without at least an attempt to educate him first on its dangers.

I think it leads to that moment when a qualified medic thinks to herself " WTF am I doing here?"

On a You Tube video I watched yesterday, some moron in the comments was saying 'Check out ClO2 Chlorine Dioxide, it's an MMS ( I had to google that) a Miracle Mineral Supplement' !

Darwin must be off his face with so many contenders for his award this year.

the problem IS though that PotUS45's main support are not known for the clarity of scientific process, and bear in mind that the mere mention of the Chloroquine Phosphate 'remedy' and one guy from Arizona swallowed it from fish tank cleanser, and died ...............

now, we could just hope that the slightly barmier followers might do us all a favour and Darwin themselves out of the gene pool, but that is to be too flippant

the REAL issue here is that the PRESIDENT of the most powerful nation on earth is spouting absolute bollocks, and NO ONE is saying "hey, just slow down a bit here, that is NOT what we said"

another thing to consider

within a day or so, America will have officially lost more people to covid19 in two MONTHS, than they did in twelve YEARS in Vietnam :o(

A heck of a lot of them are :-

- Anti Science

- Believe that the earth is 5000 (or thereabouts) years old.

- Anti Vaccination

- Pro Gun

So don't get on their lawn and try to tell them that they should not drink Lysol while sitting in a UV sunbed unless you happen to be in a Mk1 Abrams (other types of Panzerwagen are just as suitable)

Now that they are starting to swig and inject bleach we should see the effects of evolution in action. lol

Has anyone tried shooting this virus? Just asking.

North Korea (allegedly) did... To the first cases in the country... No sorry, it was the carriers that got shot.

Maybe that's why it's essential to keep gunshops open in the US.

"So don't get on their lawn and try to tell them that they should not drink Lysol while sitting in a UV sunbed"

I wouldn't even try. I'm a biologist; I think evolution by natural selection works.

Listening to him randomly droning on makes George W Bush look fairly smart. Now I didn't think I would ever be able to say that.

What is it about USians that they keep voting in complete morons? He doesn't even have the self-awareness to realise that most of the people in the press room are inwardly facepalming.

"What is it about USians that they keep voting in complete morons? "

A corrupt political system.

When you have a choice of rich moron A and rich Moron B, you take your chances.

At least in the UK with have caps on spending, so we get a choice of several morons.

When you have a choice of rich moron A and rich Moron B, you take your chances.

Sounds plausible.

But it was fairly obvious from the start that he was the butter side down toast, no contest.

@cornetman

Yes, entirely correct. I thought that GWB was an appalling dunderhead and rejoiced when America overcame its inherent racism to elect Obama, a man of culture, elegance and thoughtfulness. Then Trump... Nuff said.

Then I saw an interview with GWB a couple of years ago and he had become the statesman I wish he'd been able to be during his presidency. Not of Obama's standard, but a whole lot better than the pressures of the presidency allowed (I'm trying to be generous here).

What is it about USians that they keep voting in complete morons - in fact Hillary got more votes than Trump but the Republicans have been redrawing the voting boundary's for years (it's called Gerrymandering) so you see a lot of states with a majority of Democrat votes but a majority of Republican senators and congressmen. For example Louisiana has a Democrat governor but Republicans hold majorities in both chambers of the state legislature.

Plus there's the Will Rodgers quote which has defined American politics for years, "I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

Ahem, _we_ didn't vote him in. He _lost_ the election by 3.5 millionish votes. The Electoral College voted him in.

"makes George W Bush look fairly smart"

He even makes John Prescott sound as if he speaks well constructed sentences.

Word Salad? You mean like "Crazy Orange Village Idiot Disease"?

"Word Salad? You mean like "Crazy Orange Village Idiot Disease"?"

Just remember, by the time the next election is over, of heaven forfend, the end of the next one, some village will be getting their idiot back. It could be yours!

He mused aloud in what is basically word salad ...

Oh, I see ...

The same way you are also musing bullshit salad now?

O.

"He mused aloud in what is basically word salad"

Which is a very dangerous thing for a man in his position to do. If everyone else were to do the sensible thing - discount all his blurtings by 100% it wouldn't matter but unfortunately that isn't going to happen.

He is obviously not considering the fact that the mere mention of this will cause some of the terminally stupid to Darwin themselves by drinking/injecting toxins when he is relying on their votes in November.

"Trump didn't tell anybody to inject or drink anything."

I completely agree with the first part of what you said. He never actually, quite, says that this is something people should try. But he's "musing out loud" in front of a vastly large audience in such a way as to strongly suggest something while leaving wiggle room to plausibly deny it later. He's a master of the "won't someone rid me of this turbulent priest" situation. And like in that original situation, people can die because of those musings. At the very least, he's irresponsible, especially for someone in an influential position.

Listening to Trump droning on, makes me think of that slightly drunk older relative at the family get-together that has somehow got hold of the microphone and everyone is silently hoping that they would just .... stop. Please.

That poor woman must have been really wishing for the proverbial hole to swallow her up.

It beggars belief that the most powerful man in the free world (and you could say most influential because of his position) doesn't know that injecting or ingesting disinfectant is not a sensible thing to do. My 9 year old nephew has more common sense than Trump.

I'd give them the benefit of the doubt that someone said "we are developing a cure that is derived from disinfectant, and seeing if it can be used as an antiviral" and he ran with it and spouted rubbish.

You *can* do that in a business meeting. "Hey, Jimmy said about making the posters, red, let's also add some big stars and a trumpet to it", you can't at a *medical briefing* "Hey, Dr Jimmy said about using some anti-virals, lets run with it, also give the patient the chemo, the adrenaline, and just to be safe a lobotomy!!!"

aka MMS. It's a snake-oil substance that some Evangelical grifters in the US sell, claiming it can cure everything from cancer to homosexuality and even socialism. When added to water MMS makes a bleach-like substance. It has been used on autistic kids, administered by enema because of Andrew Fucking Wakefield and his obsession with children's intestines being the source of some kind of bacteria that causes autism.

The story is that the purveyors of this stuff sent President Trump a letter a couple of days ago announcing the cure to COVID-19 was this bleaching agent hence the President's deranged word salad outburst last night.

At least one US State health department in Maryland has already fielded dozens of calls and email enquiries about the efficacy of drinking or inhaling bleach to cure COVID-19.

Credit to Trump for one thing though; I didn't think it was possible I could ever have a lower opinion of him, but he's managed it with the injecting disinfectant thing. I'm now absolutely convinced he's a total twat and a moron, no lingering doubts left. I fear for America and the rest of the world with that nut job in control.

That the stable genius, being the smartestest and most important man in the universe, be the first to be administered these treatments? I assume they'll act as a vaccine as well, but he'll know for sure.

Obviously it's so important that clinical trials should start immediately and equally obviously the keenest proponent of the scheme would surely be the first to volunteer. And none of that blind control nonsense either. That's for all these scientists who take forever to tell you things. Just get on with it.

The lack of social distancing on the podium would imply he's quite likely to catch it sooner rather than later. But I'd be prepared to bet that he and anyone near him is being tested frequently.

I've always been astounded by that. The UK briefings have for weeks, if not months, been very carefully choreographed to show social distancing, and all journalist questions are asked by video link. Plus, the main person on the briefing always has someone noteworthy (ie, science, medical) alongside to take and answer questions.

Trumps briefings on the other hand seem to consist of lots of nodding yes-men, standing behind and close to him, slapping him on the back, and not one of them gets to make a contribution or say anything noteworthy...... And a room of journalists, who have obviously had to travel to get there.

You couldn't make it up.

I tried my first Clorox-Tini.. shaken (of course).. and aside from a little hoarseness, difficulty breathing, retching, full-on vomiting, diarrhea, rectal bleeding and mouth burns.. I didn't notice anything untoward. I think he might be on to something here.

I wasn't there. I don't know what Trump said. You read the papers. You don't know what Trump said. All we know for sure is that whatever Trump said, the media are going to trumpet (snrk) the worst possible interpretation of it.

I wasn't there. I don't know what Trump said.

I see ...

I was not there either, I was actually ~ 8400 km away.

But I know exactly what Trump said.

And I know exactly what Trump said because I heard him say it while I watching the briefing 'live' on my computer screen.

So yes, Orange Man Bad -> ie: dumb asshole.

O.