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Looking forward to the end of Robespierre Johnson's Herd Immunity Geronticide Terror and the warm days of Thermidor.

Unfortunately, the Supermarket has had a bit of a run on Torches, Pitchforks and Knitting Needles.

Pint of what he's having, please.

It must have escaped this A/Cs notice that the normal UK political roadshow stopped last week,

This site is worth keeping tabs on.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/news--wuhan-coronavirus/

Mondays report has some chilling predictions, updates will appear as the situation progresses.

Mondays report has some chilling predictions

Oh lovely, more ammo for the Mumsnet & Faecesbook "experts". Just what we need.

[1]#ResignBorisJohnson .

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Right, that will solve everything...

Usually I'm on boris's case too. But right now we need leadership and not a chaotic shambles of competing challengers for the job. So yes resign. But not right now when he's FINALLY doing the right thing and keeping us up to date.

All the signs were there : my President gravely announcing that we were at war, that civic responsibility was paramount, that all means would be brought to bear. Yup, digital surveillance. I guess that now, Facebook and Google have a new category of customers to sell their data to : governments.

I wonder just one thing : how can Twitter posts, Facebook walls and Google location data pinpoint a COVID-19 carrier ? It's not like our keyboards have medical sensors. I think we'd know about that.

In any case, this is the greatest excuse ever to implement worldwide government surveillance. Nobody is going to complain, and when the crisis is over, surveillance will obviously stay in place "to be ready for the next crisis".

It's our civic duty, citizens.

Obvious icon is obvious.

I wonder just one thing : how can Twitter posts, Facebook walls and Google location data pinpoint a COVID-19 carrier ?

Easy...

" Ah yes... And your name is..? Your address..? DOB..? Can you please give us your phone number for our records? That way we can send you your test results, and can we communicate with you when your situation grows worse. After all, being able to reach you quickly if needed saves (your) life(s). "

All the signs were there : my President gravely announcing that we were at war, that civic responsibility was paramount, that all means would be brought to bear. Yup, digital surveillance

How could you not have seen it? Now, in France, we're forbidden to leave our homes for any reason without a signed government paper to show to the police patrolling the streets. Digital surveillance is the obvious next step. Well, that or revolution.

Let's not exaggerate, we are not forbidden to leave our homes, we are just asked to restrain from doing things that we do not have to do.

The form just states the reasons that will not get us fined, reasons which include going to and from work, shopping for the bare necessities, health requirements, important family requirements, and short, close-proximity movement that are not in groups.

This afternoon, I need to go and get my daughter at the train station. I will fill out my form, indicate that it is an important family requirement, and that's it. I foresee no problem with that, nor am I being restricted in my movements beyond the reasonable, given the current situation.

This is not worth a revolution. It's a global health requirement.

Oh, I'm SURE it's all in the name of good cause. That said, first they came for the virus, eh?

Don't fool yourself, there are people in many governments around the world who study developments with great interest, and work to extrapolate the current situation for the future. Like, what to do to STOP people clearing the shelves of pitchfork and other garden tools (that on top of the old, and trusted tools for "crowd management" already in place.

Ah that's right.

Never let a good crisis go to waste. Look, this is the opportunity these bastards have been waiting for. As said in the article whether the genie is put back in the bottle after all this blows over is the real question. My thought is that it will not. The "security" apparatus of governments around the world will soon get to like the blank cheque they have been handed and will not be willing give it up.

Obviously not. We just have to look at the NSA to know how this will pan out. In the best of cases, governments will proclaim and swear that they have stopped, but some service is going to be assigned to "maintenance" of the procedures, and it will keep things going.

What - you need to waste time & trees WRITING (hello, 19th century calling) a form!

Couldn't they have released an app for that? It could then double as a tracker ;-)

All that should happen is that should a policeman stop you, you explain what you're doing. Forms are a waste of time and bad for the environment.

Won't someone think of the trees (& children)?

The tracking app is coming next. And marks (a.k.a. common folks) will love it. And their dumb litter even more.

I think it would be naive to not assume that government agencies everywhere do not avail themselves of the data that is available from the likes of Google, FB et al.

All they have to do is pay for it and I am sure it works out cheaper than using their own staff.

The national security letters went out long ago

The governments weren't getting enough traction out of "National Security"... Now they need even more powers under "Health and Safety". I saw a headline regarding the sweeping powers governments can assume during a medical\health emergency. I didn't read the story, couldn't find my foil hat. Is this how the end begins?

Even if it is not. It is a clear indicator of what does happen in these situations. So take note.

What seems to be something taken out of a dystopic novel, has become a waking reality. The Simpsons predicted the manufacturing of a crisis, by top leaders of the world, for malicious purposes. Many nation-states engineer AI bots to spy on their citizen's, and their whereabouts/ behavior. This should be controversial, but is seen as a crackdown on the novel coronavirus (Covid-29) outbreak - rather than being a snatch at personal democracy.

~Vibhor Tyagi (Techie at Engineer.AI)

Damn those viruses mutate quickly.

He needs to get out more... Oh....

The one staying on the peg. (being rifled for facemasks)

Nope he's using AI to predict the next big pandemic. 2029.

What you didn't know that's why called covid-"19"?

It is with great reluctance that I have agreed to this calling. I love democracy. I love the Republic. Once this crisis has abated, I will lay down the powers you have given me!

The research in China (and Singapore) show that location data alone is not accurate enough to be useful. China gets to add pervasive (and fairly reliable) face recognition technology to improve accuracy and remove false positives but it also has a standing army of over a million plus various "enforcement teams" to enforce quarantine.

But when have facts ever hindered politicians making a power grab or in campaign mode? Anyone recall selectively breakable encryption?

Funny how the obligatory face masks screw up the facial recognition though - wait until they insist they have a picture of your real face printed on them!

Extra points if your mask makes you look like Donald Trump.

You mean..

https://faceidmasks.com/

it's not like anyone would abuse emergency powers...

I'm not generally one for the conspiracy theories, but… (just as a conspiracy theorist would say!) with a recent* update of Skype for Linux (I know, I know, but it's for work, at least it's not Teams), I suddenly found that it's continuously listening at the microphone input, which it wasn't before. Could Microsoft be in on this and somehow using continuous monitoring for keywords or breathing patterns, presumably with AI/ML filtering, for such purposes? I mean, obviously they could , so I guess the next question is, are they?

* claimed build date of 14 Feb, package signing date 04 Mar, installed shortly after available on 05 Mar

"...monitoring for...breathing patterns..."

You'll soon know if any of them are listening for breathing patterns when you start seeing ads (pretend you get them) suggesting a variety of masks and inhalers.

Him coz he looks like me with my inhalers ------>

God forbid anyone might think to leave their phone at home when they go to the pub thereby fooling the monitoring system into showing they've not gone anywhere..

Thank you from Big Brother for justifying closing the pubs, bars, restaurants, etc...

Frankly I think they should. The number of people at the local pub (yes I know*) claiming it was all bollocks and it's no more serious than a common cold (tell that to the victims) beggars belief. If they closed the pubs these cockwits would realize that something more serious than the common cold was afoot.

*neither myself nor my colleague are showing symptoms and we avoid interaction by choosing an isolated table... talking to others is still possible at distances over 6 feet...

All of those places should absolutely be closed in the UK by now.

I don't know why Johnson isn't doing it, but I know the landlords and restaurateurs and owners are generally pissed at him for not doing it. Because he's told people to stay away from them, so their business is in the toilet anyway, but unless he outright tells them to close, they can't claim for losses on their business insurance.

Part of me wonders if the insurers got to him first: "if you let all these buggers claim at once, we'll be out of business, so you'll have another financial crisis on top of everything else". But that's pure speculation on my part.

the White House has held talks with Google and Facebook about how the data they hold could contribute to analysis of the virus’ spread

Google & Facebook? I should be pretty safe then...for now, at least.

Strict oversight and a thirty-day limit on the use of the tools is promised.

The Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny and Santa were all declared as real entities.

"Strict oversight and a thirty-day limit on the use of the tools is promised"

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"Strict oversight and a thirty-day limit on the use of the tools is promised." Oh yes, hahaha, good, very good... hahahaaa.

-- being designed so that US citizens can input symptoms and get advice about testing? Golly, do you think the government might correlate data which the user inputs with a massive database of personal information already stored on Google's servers, and set the user up -- surreptitiously, of course, don't want to be a bother -- to be tracked as tightly as possible?

With limited testing available in the USA, it is very important that people find out if they will be allowed a test, and if so, where to have it done. Suspicion that the putative "testing website" will set in motion covert tracking activity generates distrust. I'm thinking bad thoughts about it already.

So I should have read a little more widely. This in the news, concerning the two pilot sites Verily has set up in California.

First, secrecy: "Staff at two of the company’s pilot locations Tuesday said that press were not welcome, and that they did not want media to observe, even from a distance. A security staffer at one location said he could not answer any questions because he had signed a non-disclosure agreement."

Second, data harvesting: "The website has already prompted major privacy concerns, even as its site reached capacity for scheduling new tests only hours after its launch. ... The pilot screening tool, from Verily’s Project Baseline, required users to login with a Google account, or to create one."

Third, the usual denial of malicious intent: "'All the data provided by Baseline users for screening is stored separately and not linked to any of Google’s products and services,' a Verily spokeswoman said in a statement on Wednesday. 'Data will not be used for advertising purposes.'"

Yeah-huh. Sigh. All this could be done so much better.

In the "denial of malicious intent", the thing to note is how specific it is.

Think about some of the things it doesn't deny.

'Data will not be used for advertising purposes.'

Yes, and by a strange coincidence, folks started getting ads about cheap funeral plans on their tech du jour.

She looks like she checked her phone ---->