'Godmother of AI' Says Biggest AI Risk In Schools Is Students Losing the Desire to Learn
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> Speaking on [2]an episode of the science podcast Huberman Lab this week, Li talked about the fears around how students are using AI. "The absolute bad outcome is that our young generation, their agency and human-level motivation of learning and living is taken away by tools," the ImageNet inventor warned. "It should not be taken away by humans nor should it be taken away by machines." If we see a generation of graduates who have completely relied on AI without actively trying to learn anything for themselves, they risk leaving education without having "properly developed the brain," Li said.
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> [...] Li certainly isn't advocating for a complete ban on students using AI. She believes it can genuinely help struggling students who are already engaged in their learning. Li herself noted how she struggled with organic chemistry as a premed student, when teaching assistants and professors didn't have enough time to answer every question. While there's no obvious solution, Li says we need to find a way to keep children and students' motivation and agency. "Let's find a way to give them the access and the right way of using these tools," she said. Li added that if AI is used properly in education, it could make the students of the future "way smarter than us because they are superpowered."
[1] https://www.techspot.com/news/113455-godmother-ai-biggest-ai-risk-schools-isnt-cheating.html
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5AQFYtqx8Q
Who says this shit? (Score:3)
She's a Stanford professor. She's surrounded by the worst children in the world, who don't care about learning but do care about getting theirs. 40% of Stanford students are disabled? Lulz. Only ethically and morally.
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The education at Stanford is no better than most colleges. The real value of a Stanford education is who you meet while going to school there, many of them will go on to found startups. Sand Hill Road venture capitalists are located literally across the street from Stanford!
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Can confirm. I went to STMU and did a bit of work at Stanford and the STMU undergrads had significantly better manuality and slightly greater curiosity. They were less likely to spend 16 hours in a row in a lab though.
Re: Who says this shit? (Score:2)
Not all of the students, but yes ethically and/or morally and/or legally handicapped. Those special parking spaces can be useful.
Schools are designed to sort students (Score:1)
Into groups useful for large corporations owned by the Epstein class. They aren't there for you to learn and if you do that's a happy accident and the Herculean efforts of a teacher trying to go against the system.
This is partially why the cost of education per student is skyrocketing.
In the past it was really easy to sort the kids. It was basically two groups the ones who were teaching themselves and only needed a minimum amount of oversight, what we used to call academically inclined, and everybod
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Our modern school system was initially designed to train good little workers for boring, repetitive assembly line work. That's why they emphasis rote memorization instead of creativity. Art classes may be an exception to that rule, that's why art teachers are looked down on by the rest of the faculty members.
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Troll? Really?!? See the "Factory Model School" article on Wikipedia. I'm not the first person to suggest that's what our schools were designed for.
Re: Schools are designed to sort students (Score:2)
I've noticed really weird mods lately, like someone or something is playing games here.
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Rich kid schools? Ironically, Caitlin Gable, the $30/k year school for rich kids in Portland, was the school that had all the kids with head lice... because their families could afford to vacation in remote places where head lice were prevalent.
Re: Schools are designed to sort students (Score:2)
OES is more like $50k/year and I haven't heard of any outbreaks.
Re:Schools are designed to sort students (Score:5, Interesting)
The cost of higher education increased to absorb the money available to higher education. If the government stopped guaranteeing student loans, the cost of college in the U.S. would crash.
Or students are just jaded (Score:2)
Sure, some people do enjoy education for the sake of bettering one's self, but I'd venture that for most folks education is a means to an end (earning a living). I mean think about it, how'd you feel if the majority of your education consisted of learning how to do things that machines already do better?
Hell, it drove me up a wall having to struggle through math problems that a calculator could solve instantly. Yeah, I get that there is value in understanding how an answer is derived, but it feels more th
More about losing tools that aid in learning (Score:2)
I'm not sure that they don't want to learn, it's more that they are losing tools that allow them to effectively learn. Critical thinking one such tool, something that helps rate some discovered piece of info.
In many ways it's just a rehash of the "internet" problem. A web search allowing access to immense amounts of information, but way too much trust given to search results. Much like too much trust given AI results.
Perhaps there is a lack of desire in learning some skill they view as obsolete. An ex
Re:More about losing tools that aid in learning (Score:4, Interesting)
I asked the Google AI the same question 3 times, and got three completely different answers. I deduced that AI couldn't find the answer, so it just made up a plausible answer all three times. I asked it for the Manufacturer ID of a company that had not yet been assigned a Manufacturer ID, so it gave me the Manufacturer ID of three other companies... all equally valid answers, all 100% incorrect.
Re: More about losing tools that aid in learning (Score:2)
Even if it could find the answer it might mess it up before it gave it to you. It might give you the right answer sometimes and not other times, especially if the right answer has changed...
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I dunno. I could trust you on this, but my first instinct is to trust the considered opinion from an actual, certified Fei-li Godmother.
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I think its a great idea. Once we can turn off the computers to make them die, we win.
Biggest risk? (Score:3)
The biggest risk is students never learning how to research and create original material themselves. Instead they are all being taught to cheat and get AI to do there homework for them. The real purpose of homework is to help students build up a tolerance for the boring, tedious, time-consuming effort that is necessary to produce good output. Kids raised on AI are all going to be like severe ADHD sufferers, avoiding work because it's too hard!
She's right (Score:2)
Also for universities. But the problem is more complex than it seems, because it is not only about how simple it is to cheat, but also about the consideration if you really need to know the stuff without AI afterward. A teacher can force the pupils pretty well to learn. A professor has little power over students except for the exams.
Universities also need to consider their goals. If no "doing it by hand" skill is in demand anymore, nobody will study to acquire that skill. Not wanting to become obsolete is o
No child left behind? No. Child left behind. (Score:3)
You cannot force someone to learn. You can only provide the opportunity.
As early as possible, expose children to reading, writing, nature, science, sports, art, crafts, etc. Show them what is possible before peer pressure convinces them that its "dumb" to learn things. Then give them the opportunity to learn, to pursue their interests. But stop trying to force it. Teach the basics to all the children. Then let the ones who want out.. opt out.
We don't all need a college degree. High school should not just be college prep. It should allow for different paths.
AI is used for things that we don't find important (Score:1)
This isn't fucking complicated. The parent poster is an idiot not understanding human dynamics.
Yes, students aren't going to do classwork... because the teachers are also not finding it important to create the material. If a teacher can't be bothered to create material, why should a student be forced to wade through it?
This also applies to other social spheres.
If people are sending AI generated/doctored photos, is there a point to sharing your own? If people are sending AI generated messges in chat, is t
Too late (Score:2)
They already did
Ideal and reality unfortunately don't overlap (Score:2)
I get what she is saying and can appreciate that if AI is used "properly" in an "ideal world" then yes I can see how it could be beneficial for learning. The unfortunate reality however is that this is not going to happen and it's not really just a matter of "well you're just not using / managing it right in the class and if you do then all the negatives will dissapear and all the positives will shine through".
Students will inevitably be lazy and use it to replace their thinking and the more they do, the m
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I agree.
It is like calculators. Calculators could potentially help students become more numerate than ever. In theory. In practice, for every student who experiments with their calculate to play around and explore arithmetic, explore polynomials by graphing them out, etc, there are a hundred students who are using calculators as a crutch to stay stupid. In reality, effective numeracy is growing worse than ever, businesses cannot find people who can run a cash register, and lots of people are too dumb to
can't (Score:3)
We are already being told that many people can't learn various basic skills and to require that learning is racist, sexist or mybadbad. The pressure's on from various cultural/financial sources the blind all one-eyed men and castrate the rest.
I disagree (Score:1)
Curiosity is not held captive by secondary or post secondary institutions. What a ridiculous position.
AI will enable the curious to learn at speeds faster than ever before, with less friction than in the past.
Kids lacking curiosity will fail in the same proportions they always have. The gap between the curious and Incurious / apathetic will widen. Sociopaths will still succeed, just because.
Since when did school children have a desire (Score:2)
I was a student who actually did want to learn. That fact made me an outcast. Almost no schoolkids wanted to learn, and the fact that I did, made me "weird" and a "nerd" (a term that was *not* nice thing to say about someone in the 70's).
Kids have always been lazy about learning, most do it only because they have to. AI didn't do that to them.
Block AI in schools (Score:3)
Just like Wikipedia was banned, force humans to use their human brains. Real books, real handwriting and keep computers as a treat.
Re: Block AI in schools (Score:2)
I work with people who cannot touch-type. They hunt and peck. Some donâ(TM)t even understand file systems. Perpetuating that inability by restricting computer access for students is sure to encourage AI dependency later on.
That said, what students need to learn doesnâ(TM)t always require Internet access. Teach them file systems, basic troubleshooting, typing, word processing, and spreadsheets. Then have an internet class with special attention given to security threats and scams.
Outside of tha
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Bit of a devil's advocate here, but do they really need filesystems? Hierarchical organization is great for some things and lousy for others. Just like the URL bar in browsers is now a search bar, locating files is more and more often done based on metadata or even content indexing. With the prevalence of shared document editing a la Google Drive or OneDrive, you mostly can only access documents shared with you via searching. I'm sure there are plenty of regular computer users who have never interacted wit
Re: Block AI in schools (Score:2)
I don't see these as mutually exclusive. I prefer a hierarchy and can't imagine working on a large volume of files without one. That doesn't mean I can't use search and other techniques. In fact, I would like multiple hierarchical views (structure by date, by file name, by tags or other metadata, and so forth). I feel that everyone should understand at least that hierarchy is an option, even if they don't use or even see it.
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It's a good question and I've heard it before. Certainly critical thinking and defensive approaches to finance and the Internet, and basic concepts of personal security are super important. But if you have a course about computer literacy then I think you need them to learn what a filesystem is, at least the core concepts of volumes, directory trees and file permissions. Also what are the main components of a computer. It can be covered in an hour and it seems those concepts are still useful in every day li
Re: Block AI in schools (Score:2)
Wikipedia wasn't banned, though one asshole did introduce a bill which tried.
You can't cite ANY encyclopedias after elementary school, whether it's claimed they are particularly inaccurate when they aren't, or not.
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Wikipedia was banned because teachers thought it was unreliable, because, you know, "anybody" could update a Wikipedia article. It was *not* banned because it was somehow overly helpful to students. Ironically, Wikipedia turned out to be *more* reliable than traditional encyclopedias, at least in subjects that are important for school students.