FDA Approves First mRNA Flu Shot (nbcnews.com)
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- News link: https://science.slashdot.org/story/26/08/06/0424256/fda-approves-first-mrna-flu-shot
- Source link: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-approves-1st-mrna-flu-shot-moderna-rcna590599
> Many scientists and public health experts have touted the idea of an mRNA-based flu vaccine, which uses the same messenger RNA platform as the Covid vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer. That's because mRNA vaccines can be manufactured much faster than traditional vaccines, allowing scientists to better match circulating influenza strains. Moderna said it takes two to three months from picking the strain to rolling out its flu shot, compared with about six months for traditional flu shots.
[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-approves-1st-mrna-flu-shot-moderna-rcna590599
Won't affect me (Score:5, Funny)
I have it under good authority that I will die this year before the flu season due to the side effects of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine. A Facebook post quoting a Twitter post, quoting a Daily Mail article quoting some kid who dropped out of school but was an expert on VERS has told me so. /s
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I often wonder how all these people who believed that COVID vaccines were a plot to sterilize or murder humanity have justified to themselves the continued-unchanged existence of babies-in-specific and humans-in-general, respectively.
Re:Won't affect me (Score:4, Insightful)
They don't justify it. They just move the goalposts. "Oh the world didn't end this year? I mean next year obviously."
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I knew someone who died of coronavirus after refusing the vaccine due to all the FUD.
So this disinformation does kill people. I don't know how many, but more than enough.
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> I often wonder how all these people who believed that COVID vaccines were a plot to sterilize or murder humanity have justified to themselves the continued-unchanged existence of babies-in-specific and humans-in-general
Easy, they deny that's the actually state of things, claim everyone is lying about everything, etc.
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Just the other day someone told me I should take some dietary supplement (I forget which) to clean out all the spike proteins from my bloodstream. All left over from the COVID vaccines.
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This has to be a troll. Nobody on Slashdot is actually this stupid.
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> This has to be a troll. Nobody on Slashdot is actually this stupid.
I'm skeptical about that second part.
As for trolls, I wonder if some anti-vax propaganda is being pushed by hostile foreign powers as a way of hurting us.
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It came across as intense satire/sarcasm to me, but then I maybe failed to consider that there may be some here who actually are that stupid. *shrug*
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It's too perfect in being wrong for it not to be a troll.
Re:Ivermectin is better (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe, but the 5G reception on my phone got better after I got vaccinated.
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Thanks, Bill Gates!
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You enjoy your horse dewormer, I'll take the mRNA gene-editing.
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> Ivermectin has better efficacy against coronaviruses like the flu
You're intentionally ignoring the side effects of ivermectin.
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The OP is also wrong in that flu is also not a coronavirus
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Perhaps the prompt that created the post was "LLM, please tell me all the false myths about COVID in as brief a format as possible"
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> You're intentionally ignoring the side effects of ivermectin.
which are?
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which are?
Nothing in particular. Just the inability to move, muscle pain or stiffness, joint pain, and swollen, painful, or tender lymph glands in the armpit [1]to name just a few [mayoclinic.org]. And that's just for dosage given under supervision of a doctor. If someone decides to use the horse version, they can have seizures or go blind. This is in addition to other neurologal or gastrointestinal issues. Or [2]death [vice.com].
So now that you have been factually informed, go ahead and make excuses and/or move the goalposts.
[1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/ivermectin-oral-route/description/drg-20064397
[2] https://www.vice.com/en/article/ivermectin-danny-lemoi-death/
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I'm friends with a couple who took their 6 year old daughter to go live in a country with malaria endemic for a year. Docs put the kid on ivermectin for the whole time. Zero side effects. I don't get what the big deal was with this during covid. Does it work for covid? No. Does it hurt anything? Also no. Why did anyone care?
Someone in my local hospital dying of covid wanted to take horse dewormer. Hospital wouldn't let them. It went to court, and the patient lost. Guess what? They still died.
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> I don't get what the big deal was with this during covid. Does it work for covid? No. Does it hurt anything? Also no. Why did anyone care?
Yes, it did hurt anything, because people believed they could take Ivermectin for COVID rather than, you know, actual vaccines and treatments that work.
Doctors and nurses care because it's sort of their job to care that their patients get better. And refusing treatments that work in favor of those that do not kills their patients.
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"government gene-editing experiment. " No, they started development back in the Bush II era and have been systematically improved. It is immaterial whether they were made using gene-editing. Hell, your parents were busing gene editing when you were conceived. I presume you were conceived and not actually from a chicken's egg hatched under toad....you are not a basilisk are you?
Ivermectin is great, yes! (Score:2)
But I know something that's even better, and it is a god-honest, classical, concentrated bleach injection. With 6.5% available chlorine, it kills 99.9% of common household germs, bacteria, and viruses. This higher efficiency is very cost-effective: you need less, and smaller bottles take up less storage space and offer more uses per ounce. Not only you need less overall, you need less volume of liquid injected, and it is so much better than vaccines, which are huge for a little baby to be injected with that
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Whether SARS-COV-2 was real or rebranded flu is irrelevant. It had a 99.98% survival rate if you were under 60. It dropped to 99.8% if you were over. The authoritarianism and forced medication were the real point of the Scamdemic. It was the largest psychological operation the human race has even seen, and the commends here on Slashdot showed that it worked. People still defend their new religion of medical scientism and don't even regard it as religion. It's rationalism or science, even though you are not
And just like that (Score:2)
We'll never hear another word about mRNA being unsafe from republicans.
deviation (Score:3)
> after a clinical trial found it was about 27% more effective than a standard flu shot.
That's within the normal variance of the traditional flu shot, which ranges in effectiveness from 22% to 56%.
The reason to believe the new one is better is because it 2-3 months to go from strain selection to fully manufactured vaccine, whereas the traditional vaccine method takes about 6 months. It makes it easier to choose the right flu strain.
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The other great benefit is that traditional flu vaccine requires eggs and that's a bad dependency for a virus that also has a tendency to wipe out flocks of chickens
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Well hopefully the authors are not dumb enough not to consider this. And even if they were, the peer reviewers would have caught it.
If it's genuinely 27% more effective when targeting the same flu variant (compared to regular vaccines), it's definitely a breakthrough.
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> Well hopefully the authors are not dumb enough not to consider this
Of course they considered it, they not only considered it, they told the world. They aren't trying to hide it, it's not nefarious.
Cue the Tinfoil Hat Anti-vaxxers (Score:2)
I got my popcorn ready for all the tin-foil hat wearing anti-vaxxer horse medicine people who will start laying on conspiracy theories about how mRNA is vaccines is new (its not) and that it's a government mind control program, without knowing anything about how mRNA vaccines actually work.
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> I got my popcorn ready for all the tin-foil hat wearing anti-vaxxer horse medicine people who will start laying on conspiracy theories about how mRNA is vaccines is new (its not) and that it's a government mind control program, without knowing anything about how mRNA vaccines actually work.
I went from concern that they might get sick and die, to acceptance that it was their choice, to understanding that they were self-culling the herd of stupid paranoid people, and figured they were just being helpful. Always look on the bright side of life.
P.S. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] Martha Lillard passed June 2026 as the last known person living in an iron lung after Paul Alexander spent 70 years in one. [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]. Yeah - good times.
Even stupid people believed in va
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Lillard
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Alexander_(polio_survivor)
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> I got my popcorn ready for all the tin-foil hat wearing anti-vaxxer horse medicine people who will start laying on conspiracy theories about how mRNA is vaccines is new (its not) and that it's a government mind control program...
Nah, that only happens when democrats are in charge. The mad hatters are all republican.
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I'm hoping this improves my 5G reception and recharges the little battery
Wait... (Score:1)
I thought vaccines were woke and a hoax by the liberal left?
Side effects (Score:5, Interesting)
One of the nice things about mRNA vaccines is that they tend to have fewer side effects. Flu vaccine always makes me feel pretty bad. Hopefully this will be better.
Re:Side effects (Score:5, Funny)
One side effect of mRNA vaccines is anti-vaxxers hanging from street lamps claiming the shots are altering your DNA. Apparently they cannot tell the difference between DNA and mRNA. Where's JFK Jr. when we want to see some dumb-ass quote?
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Darwinism at work.
Re:Side effects (Score:4)
Not really, because flu tend to kill old people who ALREADY had kids long ago.
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covid by itself doesn't kill that many people. The risk with covid was that it was going to overwhelm our already strained hospital system and that would kill a shitload of people. But that is way the fuck too complicated to explain to somebody who would vote for a pedophile rapist convicted felon to be president of the United States and expect good things to happen
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Yes, sadly, they do not cure mental illness.
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In principle, it should be possible to develop a vaccine for certain forms of mental illness. Regrettably, no such thing currently exists and antivaxers are probably too far gone.
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Willful ignorance is not a mental illness, it is a conscious choice.
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> Where's JFK Jr. when we want to see some dumb-ass quote?
Busy exposing his perineum to the sun. The key to health.
Re: Side effects (Score:2)
Didn't JFK jr. die in a plane crash?
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> Where's JFK Jr. when we want to see some dumb-ass quote?
The same place he's been for the last quarter century: dead. You're picking on the wrong Kennedy scion.
So I cannot emphasize enough I'm not joking (Score:4, Insightful)
The American right wing had a absolute conniption fit about trans mice. And money spent on trans mice.
What they were actually talking about is transgenic mice which are mice who have had some Gene edits for use in specific research scenarios.
But somewhere out there is an uncle or an aunt that is absolutely furious that their taxpayer dollars paid for a little boy mouse to wear a dress or something. I don't know I don't listen to those people... I only hear about them because the president of the United States is apparently one of them...
In defense of anti-vaxxers (Score:4, Insightful)
Intelligence is much more a function of environment than genetics. One's genetic contribution, in theory, sets an upper limit on intelligence potential , but to actualize that potential one needs a solid education. Someone with genius level IQ born into poverty and with no access to education will wind up just as superstitious and backwards as all of their peers.
This goes doubly so for critical thinking, because critical thinking is not natural. Our brains naturally operate on a survival program that relies on logically fallacies and snap judgments because these are right enough most of the time to keep a person alive out in the wild. This is normally combined with learning from pack mates, which is how our species endured for millions of years. So, without the right education, critical thinking is very difficult for us.
The same is true of scientific knowledge. To someone who has not received the necessary in-depth education to understand clearly why science is better than religion, it looks like just another religion, and even worse, a religion with government backing. Governments are notorious liars, so when you combine that with the unintuitive conclusions of science and no foundational understanding, something like a vaccine looks like an outright trap.
Anti-vaxxers are still wrong, and the misinformation they spread is still harmful, but I must have a drop of compassion for them, given that they clearly haven't had the advantages that I've had.
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The Scamdemic shots caused massive amounts of Pericarditis, Myocarditis and massive blood clots. My next door neighbor's mom died 2 days after her first Pfizer shot and my best friend lost both her father and uncle to turbo cancer within 2 months of their shots. These were the most untested drugs in modern regulatory industry and I think they killed 1% ~ 2% of people who took them and they were and still are incredibly dangerous. I've written about this extensively with sources.
[1]https://battlepenguin.com/ [battlepenguin.com]
[1] https://battlepenguin.com/politics/untested/
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JFK: Just Fucking Kidding.
RFK: Really Fucking Kidding.
Re:Side effects (Score:5, Interesting)
As someone who is severely immuno-compromised (and has to take a specific injection each month to suppress my B-Cells) due to IgA neuropathy, I'm hoping this rolls out past that age range for those in the other categories of at-risk including cancer patients, HIV, transplant, etc...
Partly because while I have an immune system, it's wiping out the memory of mine, and this will mean it's less likely to trigger that Cytokine storm that caused a lot of Covid patients to die, except in this case, the risk is other influenzas causing the same thing.
And if you wonder why they freaked out over Hanta-virus....
I'm a good example. Over 30 years later, I'm fighting to save what I have left of my body and kidneys after getting Hanta-virus, and it matches pretty close to what Covid-19 did in the worst of the reactions, because I lived through that shit in 2001. I only lived through Covid because of the mRNA shot, and even what side-effect I did get from it (moderate fever, etc...) by the time i finally got covid, it was like a really bad cold or mild flu. My wife has asthma and faired better than me as well after she got the shot, but these vaccines are definitely a welcome advance, as they can get a hold on top of whichever strain has managed to gain traction, and can be changed relatively quick if they guess wrong, and another strain/variant happens to gain traction on infecting large masses.
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Sorry to hear you have those issues. I have some auto-immune issues too, though not that bad, and I was really worried during COVID.
Even now I usually get a private COVID and flu vaccination every year. I'm not in any of the categories that get them for free, but aside from the safety they provide, I usually travel over the new year and I don't want to get sick while I'm on holiday.
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> As someone who is severely immuno-compromised (and has to take a specific injection each month to suppress my B-Cells) due to IgA neuropathy, I'm hoping this rolls out past that age range for those in the other categories of at-risk including cancer patients, HIV, transplant, etc...
Given that status, you may be able to find a provider who would prescribe it off-label. You'll probably end up paying out of pocket for it. But, as the article points out, because the [1]ACIP [wikipedia.org] is such a circus sideshow now, hardly any insurance plan will cover these new vaccines.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Advisory_Committee_on_Immunization_Practices&oldid=1359042019
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I sort of have the opposite problem, a super agressive immune system. Sounds good right? Not fucking really. Flus have hospitalized me multiple times nearly drowning me in phglem. Vaccines tend to make me feel lousy because the reaction is so strong but dear lord is it an improvement over the disease itself.
Needless to say, covid scared the shit out of me. Still havent had it yet. I think.
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> As someone who is severely immuno-compromised (and has to take a specific injection each month to suppress my B-Cells) due to IgA neuropathy, I'm hoping this rolls out past that age range for those in the other categories of at-risk including cancer patients, HIV, transplant, etc...
I have some cousins who through a family member I'm not biologically related to inherited a congenital disease that the only current "cure" for is to have to have an organ transplant at some point in their lives. I have an idea of what you go through from knowing what they go through. I want to point out that you may be able to get your doctor to give you a prescription for the mRNA flu vaccine even if you aren't in the approved age range.
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> One of the nice things about mRNA vaccines is that they tend to have fewer side effects. Flu vaccine always makes me feel pretty bad. Hopefully this will be better.
But the horse de-wormer chuggers have constantly told us how many bad side effects there are from mRNA vaccines... tell me they weren't lying. I mean we're all already dead from vaccine hurties within 2 years of even thinking about taking one as they predicted.
RFK Jr must be in a hell of a pickle, he wants to say "vaccine baaaaaad" but flu is a big killer of the elderly so it's literally killing his voter base and here is an effective preventer of that death.
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In my personal experience, for what little that is worth, the traditional AstraZenica vaccine really screwed me up. Badly enough that I couldn't work for a while.
The mRNA COVID vaccines have been fine. Maybe a day or two of feeling off, some shivers the first time. The traditional flu vaccine is much worse.
If they could create a generic flu one that would be great, so they don't have to predict it every year.
Re:Side effects (Score:5, Informative)
According to the study, it has more adverse effects, unfortunately.
[1]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go... [nih.gov]
But it may be worth it for the increase efficacy.
[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/42090792/
Re: Side effects (Score:2)
With their COVID vaccine, the first time was the highest dose they knew would have only acceptable side effects, and they reduced it for the next iteration when they saw how effective it was. (If you remember the myocarditis rare side effect, that was only seen with the first version.) I would guess that the next step is backing off on the dosage to reduce the side effects now that they have results on effectiveness, which will also let them make a better case for younger people at less risk from the flu.
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The bad feeling when sick is your immune system responding to the infection. You don't feel the infection at all. So you can get the same feeling with a vaccine, since it causes your immune system to react. Since the vaccine doesn't reproduce, the reaction to it tends to be milder. Some people feel it, some don't.
Re: Side effects (Score:2)
What is your source for lower side effects? Personally the Covid mRNA vaccine made me the most sick Iâ(TM)ve been in my life, and a significant amount of people I personally knew, not antivaxers, had very adverse effects from it, many who needed 2-3 days off work.
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> Personally the Covid mRNA vaccine made me the most sick Iâ(TM)ve been in my life, and a significant amount of people I personally knew, not antivaxers, had very adverse effects from it, many who needed 2-3 days off work
Then imagine what COVID would have been like?
The initial COVID vaccines were a bit over-powered in my view, but they wanted really high effectiveness, so I suppose that's the tradeoff.
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What about all the gay frogs having heart attacks huh? But you didn't think of that. Study it out! Do your own research!
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> One of the nice things about mRNA vaccines is that they tend to have fewer side effects. Flu vaccine always makes me feel pretty bad. Hopefully this will be better.
So your vaccine which works by forcing an immune response makes you feel like you're undergoing an immune response, but mRNA vaccines don't? Fascinating.
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I have auto immune issues, and it seems like the exact nature of the response is different enough that it doesn't affect me as badly. I'm not a biologist but my understanding is that mRNA vaccines bypass a step in the process of creating immunity, so maybe it's that step that is causing me problems.
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> Flu vaccine always makes me feel pretty bad.
>> Then imagine what the flu would be like!
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>> I haven't read the full report, but hopefully the mRNA vaccines are safer for people with egg allergies.