'AI's Decimation of Call Center Jobs Has Begun' (yahoo.com)
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- News link: https://it.slashdot.org/story/26/08/03/031248/ais-decimation-of-call-center-jobs-has-begun
- Source link: https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/ai-replacing-customer-jobs-cba-093026192.html
> Companies including the Commonwealth Bank of Australia, Microsoft Corp., Uber Technologies Inc. and Hyatt Hotels Corp. are using automated chat and phone systems to handle work that previously required humans. In some cases, they've already wiped out sizable chunks of their customer service operations, together representing thousands of workers.
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> The specter of automation has long loomed over the call center industry, which employs millions worldwide from the U,S, to India to the Philippines. But until recently, generative artificial intelligence wasn't good enough to move the needle. Now, AI advancements — and pressure on executives to show they're embracing the new technology — have prompted corporations to deploy the tools more widely. Customer service employment in the U.S. is declining and will likely continue to do so as more tasks are automated, Forrester analyst Kate Leggett wrote in a report earlier this year. While it's impossible to determine the future job losses, she estimated that almost half of customer service roles will be affected by 2030.
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> Globally, the steepest job cuts are expected to hit countries like the Philippines, where many Western companies have outsourced their most easily automated work. Salespeople at multiple tech companies told Bloomberg that they routinely pitch call center AI tools as a way of lowering labor costs, undercutting a common industry claim that AI is primarily a way to help workers become more productive rather than kill their jobs... Commonwealth Bank of Australia, the nation's largest lender, has shed hundreds of workers from its chat support line as it wove AI into the system, according to people familiar with the work. This amounted to tens of millions of dollars in savings per year, one of the people said...
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> Microsoft is both one of the largest vendors and adopters of customer service automation tools. This has helped the software giant trim its customer service workforce — a mix of contractors and full-time staff — from about 50,000 to 40,000 in recent years, according to a person familiar with the operations. "If something happened with little Johnny's Xbox in the middle of the night, we can now solve that with AI," Judson Althoff, who runs Microsoft's sales and service operations, said in an interview. Althoff said in April that AI is saving the company about $750 million per year in customer service costs. More complex problems still require human support, but the company is constantly expanding what can be fixed automatically, he said in the interview.
Two examples from the article:
Last year Hyatt fired 30% of its in-house customer support staff for the Americas, according the hotel-industry news site Hotel Dive .
Last week Bloomberg reported Uber had cut 10% of its customer service jobs as part of effort to "embrace artificial intelligence," according to the article. "Today, Uber pushes users to submit support requests through their apps, where they're met with an AI chatbot."
[1] https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/ai-replacing-customer-jobs-cba-093026192.html
Customer Rights (Score:4, Interesting)
We're going to need a law that customers have the right to talk to a person because the AI isn't going to be reliable.
Re: Customer Rights (Score:2)
It's been garbage bots for years and I'm honestly of the impression that for any place that's been automating it before this point, the service cannot possibly get any worse than it's been so far.
Re: Customer Rights (Score:2)
To be clear I'd wholeheartedly support regulation forcing a standard of service, but that has been overdue long before the AI bullshit bubble.
Re: Customer Rights (Score:2)
I've seen demos by my company where you wouldn't know you're talking to an AI except it was plainly disclosed. It even did a handoff to a different agent (actually a bot with different "skill" capabilities). The system is designed to escalate to a human when anything exceeds the AI capabilities or authorization. Or when the caller demands. But in most cases there will be a wait time in queue for a human. (You should know that average wait times are always a designed staffing decision made with knowledge of
Re: Customer Rights (Score:4, Insightful)
Thats cute. Now put it in front of the public without the person on the other end following your demo script...
All of the sudden its shit.
My company has done this as well, and it works great for the guy who made it, who talks to it with knowledge of its capabilities and nuances... but then as soon as anyone with a slightly different choice of words comes along ... its fucked.
Re:Customer Rights (Score:4, Insightful)
> We're going to need a law that customers have the right to talk to a person because the AI isn't going to be reliable.
The humans are usually no help regardless. They are often not sufficiently trained to do their jobs, and they frequently have no power to do anything for the customer anyway.
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Maybe these days. Maybe (as I'm cynical) some companies intentionally cripple human support (e.g. pointing you to online resources) so that you might as well use AI support, and thus making an argument for cutting out human support. Like Google Search enshittifying itself to the benefit of Gemini
Re: Customer Rights (Score:2)
I switched to duck duck go.
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I can't help but wonder how long it will be before there are enough layoffs where there's nobody to call the call centers.
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I fully agree, but I do think this might actually be an improvement for customers, at least in some cases.
I've been talking to some AI chatbots for a couple of companies I have been dealing with, to get stuff sorted out. They are much better than multiple choice menus or the old dumb chatbots that just scan for keywords and then print out an FAQ entry. I don't need to guess the special magic words to make them do what I want, and if they are doing down slightly the wrong path I can correct them.
The ones I h
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Exactly some issues are too complex or require decisions made that an AI likely won't side on correctly-meaning with a customer where the company might lose money etc. but its the right thing to do. People get stuck in doom loops as well and never get the help they need or waste tons of time trying.
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> We're going to need a law that customers have the right to talk to a person because the AI isn't going to be reliable.
Most human call centers I have had to contact aren't much better, just some person making a tiny wage reading from a script. Not there fault, it's just companies want the lowest price so that's what they get.
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The question comes down to, do they give the AI the tools to actually fix your problem?
I did multiple rounds of trying to get T-Mobile's Indian customer support to fix a problem, and by the end, I realized they didn't even have the ability to do what needed to be done. I had to file a report with the FCC, and then someone from T-Mobile US HQ called me and fixed the problem. I felt really sorry for the Indian call center as that must be really frustrating.
On the flip side, my kid's Roblox account got hacke
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I already had robots without much AI fixing login problems for me. The login problem should never have happened (companies being paranoid about people who actually logout and delete remaining cookies), but at least the thing got the account unlocked without me needing to wait for a human to explain, that I dared to logout the other day and now wanted to login again.
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Before you could sue for that, you would need to have a right to have a support hotline at all. As long as the hotline is an optional feature, they can decide how they implement it.
Late... (Score:4, Informative)
This article is already at least 2 years late.
My town has some big call centers that used to emply thousands of people, and they have been laiding several people off since AI became a thing.
Re: Late... (Score:2)
*employ
Now you'll never get a straight answer (Score:4, Informative)
Give me a real person !
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I am afraid we will find no difference between AI and a real person: both of them are useless to help the poor customer.
Re:Now you'll never get a straight answer (Score:5, Interesting)
To an extent, but recently had an exchange with one of these AI chatbots, and the difference is that the chatbot will confidently declare things that are actively incorrect. They will tell you to do things that simply don't exist. E.g. to transfer the case, go online and perform a very verbose set up steps starting with a button that doesn't exist). Note that we had asked to transfer because it misrouted us, and a human would have done it, but the chatbot had some weird imagined procedure for this.
But yes, human support has been pretty bad too, often deliberately prevented from being able to correct an issue. But at least they don't go off on weird tangents made up entirely from nothing.
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> the chatbot will confidently declare things that are actively incorrect.
And human operators will tell you to reboot your cable modem during a power outage if that's what the script says.
Re:Now you'll never get a straight answer (Score:4, Interesting)
I hate to admit it but my experience with online AI customer support bots has been the opposite - they understand my questions more quickly and comprehensively than human support and usually deliver me the answer I was seeking.
Re:Now you'll never get a straight answer (Score:4, Funny)
> I hate to admit it but my experience with online AI customer support bots has been the opposite - they understand my questions more quickly and comprehensively than human support and usually deliver me the answer I was seeking.
Nice try chatbot! You ain't fooling nobody! ;)
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The reality is, you already couldn't get a real person, even before AI. AI will at least raise the chances that you can get an answer that has slightly more relevance to your actual question or complaint, than you could with the old "phone trees" which were absolutely useless.
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[1]Shibboleet! [xkcd.com]
[1] https://xkcd.com/806/
Call center as a career? (Score:3)
I've never met anybody or seen such a person on TV or anywhere else, who wanted to grow up and work in a call center. This is exactly where AI should make a positive impact. But we all know it won't happen. There's no indication that AI call centers bots are getting anywhere near intelligent or even particularly useful. We're still whacking away at the zero and screaming "I want to talk to a human".
Re: Call center as a career? (Score:2)
Skilled knowledge workers sometimes forget that some people aren't equipped to do their kind of work. Some people absolutely do just want to do a job forever, collect paychecks, and retire on social security, and there is nothing wrong with that. There has never been a time in history when everyone was well educated and high skilled, and there probably never will be... Especially as we are headed the other direction as a species
Compromise... (Score:3)
If the caller is rude, give him an Ai to shout at. Polite? Person...
This is going to backfire big time (Score:4, Insightful)
Agents work fine with known problems, with well-defined resolution paths. But customers often call a call centre because they have a unique, new problem specific to their circumstances that knowledge base articles and automated agents have failed to solve. We call when everything else fails and we need someone with logical thinking and outside-the-box fix.
Re:This is going to backfire big time (Score:4, Interesting)
I absolutely agree. Except for the last wave of boomers, everyone is used now to do everything you need to to with any company online through the self-service settings. Sign up? Cancel? Change address? Change Plan? Reservations? Everything on the website.
Making a call s a last resort when your problem isn't covered by the standard processes on the website. If the hotline can only do the very same things, then it's useless to beginn with.
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In my experience, cancellation for services is rarely on the website. So that you have to call them (fuss! Talking to humans! Waiting for robo-menus!), plus they can try to sell you something to keep you on their service
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I wonder when someone starts offering agents that call for you and cancel the service without accepting any offers to stay customer.
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I suspect the Pareto Principle is very much at play here, in that 80% of customer issues can totally be answered by the scripts that human front-line call centre staff typically worked from (that's why the scripts exist in the first place, afterall), and therefore 80% of the calls can be dealt with perfectly well by an AI bot following the same script. It's only the other 20% that are the unique problems that KB articles and scripted/automated agents cannot handle, and - usually after a lot of pointless ti
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Precisely. I've stopped counting the number of times I contacted customer support, started tby mentioning that I already read the FAQ and, no, my case isn't one of those. Whatever. They copy-paste a FAQ answer, often closing the issue as SOLVED at the same time. Since chatbots, it's even worse, and typing "I wanna talk to a customer support person" does't lead to results because... oh crap, another outsourced idiot copy-pasting FAQ answers and calling it a day. The whole idea that someone only calls or file
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You need to realize, that often the supporter HAS to check the box. So say "Yeah, I am rebooting the router. Now it is rebooted, the problem is still there". They can check a box and you get the next question that might be closer to the problem.
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You are not thinking like the average person, half of those are below average and many will call in for help when they encounter anything they have not seen before. Which is fine, that really is what the common call center army is designed.
When you have an actual problem that needs technical ability from the call center - you have been doomed for the last several decades. Escalating until someone knows anything beyond a script is laborious and often fruitless.
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You think so. But most calls are resolved with "Reboot the router. Oh, now it works?" or "No, your internet is not broken. Facebook is down for everyone because Cloudflare fucked up again".
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Followed by "Sorry, but we cannot fix Facebook either. No, that's not our service, we are sorry. Fine, we fix it, try again tomorrow and it probably works, good bye now!"
Meh...the more things change... (Score:2)
As others have noted, the "standard of care" for customers engaging with a call center were already pretty darned poor. This isn't likely to improve that, though it may be better at things like detecting the language of a caller outside of the expected norm and adapting on the fly. Ultimately, AI will indeed improve and be sufficient to replace wage slave humans. Probably not a great time to be depending on that call center salary to feed your family and look for ways to skill up. I hear welders, plumbe
Better (Score:2)
It has to be better than the non-AI automated systems that I keep encountering. If what you need is not one of their standard replies, you are out of luck. Then you get a human, who does not know much more. At least a properly trained AI would know what it does not know. Of course, if they just plug in one of the generalized chat bots, it will probably tell you to stick your finger in the electrical socket to check if there is power, but there is no cure for stupidity either human or artificial.
Call center changes (Score:1)
I've been in the industry since 2011. I've been with my current company 5 years the entire time I have been here they've had layoffs, RIFs etc sometimes voluntary retirement offers that sort of thing. The majority of the IT and call center staff are indian the US based teams are very small and basically for sales/retention and deal with complex issues where there is a system issue or a customer who insists on a person. Even with a small team there are times I don't work for quite a while when it gets really
Phone support is a rotten job (Score:2)
While putting lots of people out of work is not good, the silver lining is that phone based customer support is a shitty job.
After all don't you think it takes a psychological toll on the people forced to work the job?
Of course automation of satisfying and rewarding non customer-facing jobs is happening too. This is what really needs to be addressed.
These satisfying and rewarding jobs seem to be cost centers in business and therefore are targets for elimination.
A lot of what is currently going on in the job
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This isn't going to stop at call centres. If not today, then very soon, there will be nothing an experienced legal secretary and AI can't do that a junior lawyer can do...at a fraction of the cost. All that's needed (at least for now) is a mid-level lawyer to scan their output and sign off on it. If I were a couple of years away from a bar exam, I'd be wondering about my career choice.
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> This isn't going to stop at call centres. If not today, then very soon, there will be nothing an experienced legal secretary and AI can't do that a junior lawyer can do...at a fraction of the cost. All that's needed (at least for now) is a mid-level lawyer to scan their output and sign off on it. If I were a couple of years away from a bar exam, I'd be wondering about my career choice.
Ecxept lawyers have been pretty good at ensuring only lawyers can practice law and give legal advice; and while they will no doubt adopt AI to automate tasks low level staff do now, I doubt AI will be a big threat to them like it will for other occupations; rather it will be a tool to be more efficient whithout billing less.
Re: Phone support is a rotten job (Score:2)
"don't you think it takes a psychological toll on the people forced to work the job?"
It's a fuck of a lot less than becoming unemployed and wondering how you are going to keep a roof over you because a clanker took your job and is taking all the other jobs you're qualified for.
Shit runs uphill (Score:1)
We're going to see Mass automation and large scale unemployment because of it. Those people aren't going to eat a bullet. They're going to have to find a new way to survive. For some of them it's going to be crime, for some of them they will be organized into militaries and start wars and some of them will put the nose to the grindstone to survive and come for your job. Maybe they won't do it as well but your boss doesn't care he just wants cheap labor. With a complete lack of competition in the markets the
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Why is everything "like a dog?"
Maybe I'll ask gemini
Good news and bad news (Score:2)
The bad news, AI will totally and massively suck at it in the beginning.
The good news, AI will improve.
Human call center workers are so awful, it's hard to imagine anything worse.
It's possible to imagine an AI system that provides excellent technical support.
It's also possible to imagine an AI that sucks mightily.
it's hard to imagine anything worse (Score:2)
Seems you lack imagination, how about this: not having a job in a capitalist society and the rent is due in 30 days. Many Filipinos rely on these jobs and have big families thanks to avoiding birth control thanks to big Catholic church influence.
Only now? (Score:2)
I would have thought they were automated like for three years or more. Support chat is the lowest hanging fruit of all, the people are reading checklists "have you tried to turn it off and on again" anyway until they are out of checklists and only then connect you to a human who understands the terms on the checklists.
Kills two birds with one stone. (Score:2)
First, they can cut their staffing.
Second, they don't have to deal with any of the problems their products have because they have no avenue to receive feedback (*).
Winning and winning again!
(*) a few decades ago I made a habit of periodically going and grabbing someone from QA or support just to chat, because they had been FORBIDDEN to talk to engineers. I'd almost always discover a completely fixable bug or misfeature that we could have fixed six months ago if anyone gave a damn about quality. For sure y
AI rollups are the new cash cow (Score:2)
AI rollups are going after customer service based companies. Comparing call center interactions, the AI agents spend a lot less time manually looking up stuff for customers because they have MCP access to everything. They have localized accents - various US accents, UK regional accents and are easy to understand vs. India or S. America where accents become an issue for English speakers.
Side-by-side comparison with non-native speaker vs. robot, there's no chance for the call center. Robots win 99% of the tim
Good (Score:2)
Call centers have been absolute shit for 30+ years.
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The Indian AI call centers didn't last, people didn't like them. The Artificial ones won't last either, for the same reason. Everything old is new again.
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If the execs think they will get a boost in stock market, damned the results.
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That's what they did the last time. And here we are again. And there we'll be again in the future.
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Oh they are doing just fine the majority of my corporations staff is indian based both call center and IT. Those of us stateside are still here not because the company isn't still using indian staff or AI (that is what mostly runs the company) but because some complex issues and of course some customers still just prefer a human who shares the same language natively and or the same cultural background
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People didn't like phone trees, and phone trees have endured. AI might finally kill the phone tree.
The decrease in Indian call centers were mostly due to broadening offshoring destinations and increased emphasis on skill at sounding American. Some places did proudly declare their domestic call center status, but lots more anonymous but credible sounding call centers exist.
Here, the accent is whatever they want, the cost is closer to an automated phone tree than a human.... I think this one is persistent,
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If I get a hint of automation, I start saying "Talk to an agent" and don't stop.
Re: Good (Score:2)
Add in a couple of curse words and you get to the agent faster. I've started saying "I need to speak to a fucking human" a lot of the time when you add the "fucking " you will be immediately transferred.
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I did dialup ISP technical support for a summer in college. Worst job I've ever had. AI can have it.