Thanks To Robots, Ukraine Is Now Talking About Winning, Not Just Surviving (defenseone.com)
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- News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/26/06/02/2348244/thanks-to-robots-ukraine-is-now-talking-about-winning-not-just-surviving
- Source link: https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2026/06/ukraine-robots-winning/413902/?oref=d1-featured-river-secondary
> A small but growing number of European officials and analysts are saying what four years ago was unthinkable: Ukraine isn't just surviving its grueling war with Russia, [2]it is in some ways thriving and may even be on a path to victory . This isn't yet captured in headlines -- for example, about last weekend's barrage of [3]Russian drones and missiles around Ukraine -- but in the details, like how some [4]90 percent were intercepted. Several long-term trends have shifted in Ukraine's favor, and the core reason is its fierce focus on AI and robotics.
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> In the crucible of war, Ukraine has developed drones and ground robots that can hold territory -- even take it back. Some are fully controlled by humans, like supply robots and medical-evacuation vehicles. But an increasing number are controlled in at least some aspects by dozens of AI products, from guidance packages on aerial drones to decision aids at the highest levels. [...] Just as important as the tech are the new tactics. Given unusual latitude to experiment, Ukrainian fighters began to develop robot-forward infantry concepts, like combined-arms attacks by airborne and ground systems, "more than a year ago. Right now, we're massively starting to implement this," said Davyd Aloian, deputy secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, the coordinating body on domestic and international security, in an interview.
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> Ukraine and its partners are also steaming ahead on new concepts for highly autonomous defenses against Russian drones, combining ISR sensors and AI to detect and identify enemy drones in less time and with more certainty. "All of the systems are being linked with each other and with people" to create a distributed network with interceptor drones at various locations to be activated when needed, Aloian said. "One day we will have only like 10 guys who are just going to be responsible for approving interception. And it will automatically go direct to the target." The human operators will be dispersed as well. "Everything can be controlled from Kyiv, Lviv, from cities in other countries," he said.
"It's not what happened to Ukraine" (referencing Russia's barrage of Shahed drones) that "should scare us in Europe," said Swarmer CEO Serhii Kupriienko. It's how quickly Ukraine's "middling" military evolved to counter [5]Russia's invasion .
"We are behind by literally 10 years or 20 years" in some defense-technology areas, such as satellite imagery, Kupriienko said, and yet his country has climbed a capability curve that just two years ago seemed insurmountable. So could others, he said. "The answer is always AI solutions and integrating the AI into even the daily routine work within the bureaucracy," he said.
"We have evolved since 2022, the industry has and our defense has as well. Right now we are able to provide not only [large quantities of drone] assets but everything what is needed to build out the ecosystem," including parts and production, training, modification, etc. Aloian said.
[1] https://slashdot.org/~fjo3
[2] https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2026/06/ukraine-robots-winning/413902/?oref=d1-featured-river-secondary
[3] https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/23/europe/putin-ukraine-strike-starobilsk-intl
[4] https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20260601-russia-fired-record-8-150-drones-at-ukraine-in-may-afp-analysis
[5] https://news.slashdot.org/story/22/02/24/0546254/russia-attacks-ukraine
The Ukrainians aren't winning. (Score:3, Insightful)
The winners are all of the NATO defense contractors who are using this conflict to test all of their newest weapons systems. As it turns out, DJI is probably the best 'defense contractor' on the planet. What Ukraine hasn't learned is that you don't kill Russians, you maim Russians. That way 1) they live and 2) have to be cared for and 3) a man with no arms and one leg will be a reminder for decades.
Re:The Ukrainians aren't winning. (Score:5, Insightful)
> 3) a man with no arms and one leg will be a reminder for decades.
Putin would just parade then around as veterans to support the cause, gravestones are harder to put in parades.
Re:The Ukrainians aren't winning. (Score:5, Interesting)
> What Ukraine hasn't learned is that you don't kill Russians, you maim Russians. That way 1) they live and 2) have to be cared for and 3) a man with no arms and one leg will be a reminder for decades.
That doesn't work as well in the current conflict. Russia has been sending the seriously wounded back into the field even with barely functional legs and crutches, with the basic understanding that one man destroys one drone independent of how well he moves. This is also a large part of the reason that with "only" 1.3 million casualties, Russia has over 500k dead. A nation which values life will normally have something like 1:3 or 1:5 dead to casualty ratios and many recent conflicts with modern forces came to over 1:10 because of the effective evacuation and treatment available. That just doesn't apply in Ukraine.
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For the same reason you don't shoot soldiers who are already wounded, bomb hospitals, or shoot old people and children. Russia however, does not give a shit and does all those.
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so if russia drops leaflets all over Ukraine, everything is fine, right?!
No, the drop of leaflets is just a excuse... people that leave are still bombed, Israel bombed many times hospitals, refugee camps and schools (used as dorms by many people). After dropping the leaflets, they simply kill everything that moved in the area, after all they don't actually want Palestinian alive, they want to take it all. Not even Israel Palestinians are treated fair inside Israel
Re: The Ukrainians aren't winning. (Score:2)
A lot of armchair strategizing here seems to be based on the theory "he won't dare to do that back!"
Re: a man with no arms and one leg will be... (Score:2)
Tis but a scratch.
It's just a flesh wound.
To be clear (Score:5, Insightful)
Several years ago Ukraine was talking about going all the way to Moscow, so this isn't a new thing. They've always planned on winning.
It's all stupid. With more support, this war would have been over shortly after it began.
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Operation Spiderweb
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Let's just be glad that Trump didn't decide to bomb Ukraine for the Russians.
So far. It could still happen.
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I'd worried more about that until we started needing Ukrainian advice on defending against Shaheds
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I can't believe it's 2026 and people still believe the Russia narrative. He won't be bombing Ukraine for Russia .. he'd be doing it for Israel.
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Nobody goes into a war planning to lose. But too often many go into war without any planning or thinking at all, with the famous example everyone should be aware of being the first World War.
What I find interesting in TFA is the idea that four years ago Ukraine winning the war was unthinkable. That's just plain rewriting of the past, which anyone can confirm with a look at the news from a few years ago, if their memory of it should have faded by now. Four years ago the situation was the complete opposite, i
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Nice comment. We now know that Biden didn't want to win the war, because he was afraid of nukes.
In modern war, the side with air superiority wins the war. The side with air superiority has weapons that can attack but can't be attacked back: that's too huge an advantage. The entire reason that Ukraine didn't fall in three months is because somehow Russia failed to establish air superiority. Ukraine managed to shoot airplanes out of the sky if they got too close. So it's a situation where neither side has s
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> Russia is currently in the process of losing its supply lines for the whole south of Ukraine. Leaving quite a large number of Russians completely exposed and virtually helpless.
That is their current dilemma. We will see if they can manage to find a solution or not.
If they can't, it will be rather hilarious, in a dark humor sort of way.
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Agreed with most of it.
For a nitpick, but also tied to the narrative issues I talked about. The problem I find with the usual take on e.g. shells production, also found in the article you linked, is that while the EU producing shells for Ukraine is obviously good news for Ukraine, somehow North Korea producing shells for Russia is supposed to be bad news for Russia.
The reality is that Ukraine has their allies, and Russia has theirs, and both are good news for their respective war efforts.
And this kind of a
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Now this comment is entirely motivated reasoning. Try to see clearly. Don't drink your own koolaid.
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With more support, this war would have been over shortly after it began.
What BS logic is this? This type of war was always going to last years if not .. Vietnam-length. Ukraine passed the one million dead mark over a year ago. They've been lying about it and force conscripting everyone left. Israel must want that nation cleaned out pretty bad so they can come sweep in and expand greater Israel, and this shows just how much power and influence they have to do so.
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> What BS logic is this?
Russian is weak. [1]Their weapons are trash [youtube.com]. If Ukraine had been supported properly, the trenches wouldn't matter.
[2]In Syria, Russian forces attacked 40 US marines with a force of 500 troops [wikipedia.org]. The Russians lost half their troops. The Americans had a single soldier injured.
The Soviet army mainly oppressed its own people. That's why it's not good.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-INHarLmFs
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham
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Did...you just imply that Israel wants to conquer the Ukraine?
Wow. Just...wow.
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> It's all stupid. With more support, this war would have been over shortly after it began.
Yes, probably. Save some money and effort in the short-term, have to invest lots and lots and lots more in the long one. Always the same crap with humans.
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It may not be entirely provable, but I entirely blame Bush Jr for the entire debacle. If he had been willing to work with Saddam instead of trying to invade the country, then Putin wouldn't have gone into full militaristic mode. The ideal is that we can have a world where we solve disagreements without killing each other. Russians were largely on board with that until Bush went out of his way to prove it false.
Bush lied people died, and Putin concluded that the world is still one where they need to mainta
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Ukraine will never win, if Russia start to lose too much, nukes will start flying for sure. Best change they have is retake some (not all) of the lost land, nothing more
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> if Russia start to lose too much, nukes will start flying for sure.
How do you know? Russia lost in Afghanistan, Kosovo, Syria, and Mali, and didn't use a nuke. They won't use a nuke.
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> It's all stupid. With more support, this war would have been over shortly after it began.
A quick win for Ukraine would not have weakened Russia the way the current war has.
Technology is an extension of humans (Score:3)
War has always been about resources... for rulers, that includes human resources, the people they can get to implement their will for them.
Ukraine is just showing us how true this is - it doesn't matter what you attack the enemy with, you're trying to exhaust their resources before they exhaust yours. Better robots than people - maybe the next war can be entirely robotic and we can leave soldiers out of it.
It would be nice if technology could prevent the wars in the first place, but as long as there are humans in control I don't see that happening.
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> maybe the next war can be entirely robotic and we can leave soldiers out of it.
Or we could like... y'know... stop killing each other over what a few tyrant leaders want. There will never be a war without soldiers because that would be the last line of defense in this rose-y scenario. Might as well just be Battle Bots where the war is decided in a cage match.
The key is China (Score:3)
The key is that China is not passing its key AI technology to Russia...
Keeping the war going on is in China's interest as it weakens both Europe and Russia but probably
it is not worth as much as giving its technology to Russia...
Re:The key is China (Score:5, Insightful)
China is actually in a dilemma with Russia. On one hand, they want the Russian regime to survive only because it provides a political counterbalance to the EU in Europe. However, they are frustrated with the Russians constantly expanding the war and threatening to attack other nations because they don't want the Russians to provoke NATO rearmament and remilitarization. So they are trying to calibrate to keep the Russians alive while making sure they don't give them so much that they'll start another war.
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> The key is that China is not passing its key AI technology to Russia...
> Keeping the war going on is in China's interest as it weakens both Europe and Russia but probably it is not worth as much as giving its technology to Russia...
Even if China were to pass its AI tech to Russia, Russia no longer has the industrial base, nor the liquid assets to take advantage of it. And that's not counting the massive brain drain Russia experienced when almost 2 million men (many of them in tech) left at the start of the war.
Ukraine, OTH, hasn't suffered that type of brain drain and, thanks to Western support, it can carry a war economy and build AI-powered drone tech at scale.
This was a war for Russia to win if it hadn't become so incompetent a
Not just robots (Score:3)
Ukraine's remarkable self-defence is not just based on robotics, but technology in general from their real-time military intelligence system. Delta, to homegrown long range missiles, fiber-optic (human-guided) drones ,etc.
What it also highlights is how poor Russia's technology is, despite being a country previously famous for it's scientists and mathematicians. Maybe part of it is being relatively poor for such a large country (behind UK, Italy, France in terms of GDP) ,but there has to be more to it than that
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> Maybe part of it is being relatively poor for such a large country [...],but there has to be more to it than that
Ex-superpower that can't afford it's lifestyle. Like the US will be in a few years if we don't sweep the idiots out of power.
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You let them get too entrenched. Good luck with peaceful options, but I don't see the US' issues being resolved without internal violence.
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The simple demonstrated fact is that Ukrainians are smarter than Russians.
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Fibre optic drones actually have been introduced by russia first, last year or so. They also do use computer vision and a certain amount of other bleeding edge tech. Fortunately for Ukraine the sanctions work at least somewhat and China can supply only so much fibre optics. Even more fortunately, for all the technology, russian army sucks at communication between units.
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"a country previously famous for it's scientists and mathematician"
A good many of them coming from Ukraine. They were a technology and engineering powerhouse even back in Soviet times.
we heard this 100 times already (Score:2, Troll)
They snatch civilian men from the streets and throw them into the battle zone to meet their death, and they still have the audacity to talk about winning
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> They snatch civilian men from the streets and throw them into the battle zone to meet their death, and they still have the audacity to talk about winning
I have deposited 2 rubles in your account, comrade.
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> They snatch civilian men from the streets and throw them into the battle zone to meet their death, and they still have the audacity to talk about winning
Yeah, but what about Ukraine?
When Russia send their brain in jail... (Score:2)
or to be killed in Ukraine, on its side, Ukraine give them everything they need to survive and be a brain.
Fine, I'll say it (Score:2)
If they wanted to win, they'd be blowing up important businesses, utilities, and wealthy civilians in Russian cities with single person attacks. OHHH NOOOO that's a war crime. Who gives a shit? Everything is off limits until you're losing. That's how you turn the people against the Russian government, when the war starts affecting their daily lives.
A rancid idea (Score:2)
To say that a country is thriving at the expense of suffering and loss of life is a grotesque and rancid idea.
It incentivises continued conflict in order to maintain benefit for the country.
To say that "Countries that fail to follow suit risk disaster" raises serious moral and humanitarian concerns direction
the world is heading.
Triumphalism vs. reality (Score:2)
Sorry but this is nothing but the usual triumphalistic propaganda that is cyclically released to justify was expenses (and relative welfare cuts).
I lost count of how many "definitive weapons" they spun up narrations for. Ukraine should have won with Himars, Abrams, F16s, you name it.
I hate Putin's guts, my sister-in-law is Ukrainian so this hits close to home for me, but I'm really sick of being treated like an idiot.
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It is a bit of that, but compared to the start of things when everyone figured Ukraine was going to be doing a guerilla campaign, Russia is out of armor, out of ships, running out of aircraft. Only their willingness to suffer huge infantry casualties has them continuing to contest things. So they'll continue to Zap Brannigan against Ukrainian killbots for the foreseeable future but things have still been changing wildly even though the fronts have stalled.
Betteridge (Score:2)
Maybe it's time for a new internet rule - whenever the headline pronounces an outcome it jinxes it. I propose it be called the Murray Walker Rule.
WAR was predicted in a RAND report (Score:1)
This document is from BEFORE the invasion and illustrates geopolitical maneuvers to kneecap Russia ('extend Russia' they call it) before the invasion, they took actions they knew could lead to the present war:
> Alternatively, Russia might counter-escalate, committing more troops and pushing them deeper into Ukraine. Russia might even preempt U.S. action, escalating before any additional U.S. aid arrives. Such escalation might extend Russia; Eastern Ukraine is already a drain. Taking more of Ukraine might only
I for one ... (Score:1)
.. welcome our new robot overlords. (just had to)
After every major war... (Score:2)
After WW1, the big military powers thought they had learned their lessons - and they had. They went into WWII prepared to win WWI. After WWII, the bin military powers learned their lessons, and went into...various places, ready to win WWII all over again.
The big military powers are now discovering that they are once again prepared to re-fight the last war. Ukraine - out of sheer necessity - has developed new doctrines. Worldwide, the general staffs are left holding their multi-billion dollar assets that h
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Except Russia is far more corrupt.
It was Russia corrupting Ukraine.
The whole point of the war was Russia losing access to the corruption as Ukraine tried to "come clean" and pivot to the rest of Europe and away from Russia's corruption.
> Supposedly, all currently pending orders for new superyachts are for owners in the Ukraine.
Putin thanks you for your support. But unfortunately he needs all the Rubles he can get. The best he can offer right now is some gas coupons. join the queue and hope there's some left when you get to the front. good luck comrade.
A point nobody seems to be raising... (Score:2)
Ukraine is doing a pretty good job of intercepting Russian drones. Funny that US bases in the Middle East have been rendered unusable by Iran's very similar, "last generation" drones.
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The 12 year development cycle contracts that would normally go to Lockheed or Raytheon for drone defense, are delayed by all the contract forms being reprinted from Department of Defense to Department of War.
You want this war to end? (Score:2)
Stop paying for it.
Also Europe finally had enough (Score:2)
They aren't waiting for America anymore because they can't trust America anymore. They have green lit billions and billions of dollars in additional War funding for Ukraine. They have of course been dicks about it and turned it into loans but they will leverage later on but it means that Ukraine has the resources to keep fighting.
I would like to see the Democrats to get back in charge and deal with russia. I will never understand why Biden didn't do more. Then again the Republican party is pretty close
False optimism - no permanent tech advantages (Score:2, Insightful)
There is no permanent tech advantage to either side in this war. Only the potential for peace is permanent
Ukraine used Turkish Bayraktars, Russians got Iranian Shaheds
Russians invented cope cages, Ukrainians got them too.
Ukrainians got FPV drones, Russians got them too
Russians invented fiber-optic drones, Ukrainians got them too.
Now if the Ukrainians get assault robotic and evac robots, the Russians will get them too
One side has most of Europe backing it; the other side has most of Asia. Too many resources
Re:False optimism - no permanent tech advantages (Score:4, Insightful)
This analysis is simply wrong because Ukraine is not using humans as a resource as Russia is. Ukraine can send fewer and fewer soldiers to the front lines as long as they can prevent Russians from getting there in the first place. This is no longer a front like WWI with a large number of soldiers sitting in a manned trench looking out against a "no-man's land." Instead, we have a very wide grey zone of ~20km (and growing in many places) where drones hunt anything that moves. Only a small number of soldiers from either side actually sit at or even near the point of contact. Russia's only ability to advance has been sending large numbers of soldiers into the grey zone and hoping enough survive to consolidate control. If drones can mop up all of them, then the advance goes nowhere. If they can't get large numbers to the front, they can't advance at all. That's exactly what the current supply line denial campaign is about. It doesn't take many Ukrainian soldiers to do it.
The problem with "just cut a deal" is that the deal Russia has insisted on requires Ukraine giving up the most fortified areas of the front, which would leave the entire country exposed if Russia breached it. If they could be 100% sure that giving up the Donbas would result in a lasting peace with Russia letting them be, then I bet they would take it. But there is no way to do that.
Another mistake that many Western observers make is thinking that Russia will seek an exit if they can just "save face." Puttin doesn't care about "face" because this is existential for him. The economy will collapse if the war is shut down. War spending is now into double digits of the GDP. He's in his 70s. This war is his last chance to realize his life dream of reuniting the USSR and becoming "Vlad the Great." He can't just accept a fig leaf agreement and let it go because that's the end of that dream and likely his rule. Even the offer of "just give up the Donbas" probably isn't real. If Ukraine said "yes", they'd ask for more because they can't actually accept a real peace.
Robots shmobots. (Score:2)
The only winning move (for either side) is the same as it was years ago: sincere diplomacy that works toward a permanent peace. The alternative is (essentially) a war of attrition, unless NATO is going to send a million troops to the front along with huge amounts of firepower, and if NATO was going to do that, it would have happened years ago. I suppose there is another alternative that is "unthinkable", but it's definitely there... *sigh*
Recognizing irony is key to transcending militaris (Score:2)
By me from 2010: [1]https://pdfernhout.net/recogni... [pdfernhout.net]
"Military robots like drones are ironic because they are created essentially to force humans to work like robots in an industrialized social order. Why not just create industrial robots to do the work instead? ...
There is a fundamental mismatch between 21st century reality and 20th century security thinking. Those "security" agencies are using those tools of abundance, cooperation, and sharing mainly from a
[1] https://pdfernhout.net/recognizing-irony-is-a-key-to-transcending-militarism.html
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Our fundamental nature hasn't changed significantly since our distant ancestors were wandering around in small family groups.
Social structure flows from the fact that we're all social primates looking to have a popular / strong member of the group lead us against those 'others' we fear want our stuff.
Until that changes, you must assume that anything that can be bent to the task of benefiting one of us over others or one group of us over other groups will be. It takes a lot of effort to build up social stru
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That's not just a primate thing. Although it's expressed in more visible complex social structures in primates, resource competition and need for defense at least and probably attack is a recurring theme across all living beings. The most defenseless of beings become those that breed the most effectively using the resources of all the others and essentially starving them out.
Seeing only that, of course understates such things as cooperation. Microbial groups come together to live and cooperate; however when
Alternatives for transcending scarcity & confl (Score:2)
Indeed, yes that is the core issue! Although, if we look at history, like in the book "The Dawn of Everything", for thousands of years humans have lived in a variety of ways, so alternatives are possible.
Dawn on Everything: [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
The "Dictionary of Alternatives" lists both historical and imagined possibilities for social organization: [2]https://archive.org/details/di... [archive.org]
Mike Kashtan person writing stories on envisioning a socially healthier future:
[3]https://nglcommunity.org/about... [nglcommunity.org]
"Mi
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawn_of_Everything
[2] https://archive.org/details/dictionary-of-alternatives/page/n5/mode/2up
[3] https://nglcommunity.org/about/who-we-are/miki-kashtan/
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Your writing looks remarkably similar to AI slop. Not concise at all.
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Your writing looks remarkably similar to AI slop. Not concise at all.
Did he google on how to derail a thread ;)
Re:Insert Neocon war propaganda (Score:5, Interesting)
> Do you really have to give a platform to this kind of Neocon war propaganda on your tech forum?
A bunch of people doing good technology work, quite a bit of it based around software development and AI technologies and using that to save lives in Ukraine and stop the Russian genocide there. I think that's pretty much "news for nerds" and so yes, I do think we have to have this here. Even more so because lots of the technologies have developed from open source
The real question is what kind of Vatnik mind would question that. Europe has spent hundreds of billions of dollars, probably even trillions over time, on buying expensive American hardware provided by the true inheritors of the neo-Cons - America's disaster capitalists. Now those expensive defense systems, like Patriot batteries and F-35s are completely useless because America kept control over manufacturing of the ammunition they need and won't provide things like PAC-3 interceptors or AIM-120 missiles in adequate quantities for European defense. Europe should really sell most of that expensive America equipment to someone like Israel or Saudi Arabia that America would supply and use the money to develop their own solutions or buy from Ukraine and France.
That makes stories like this, where technological solutions are being found to the problems caused by your neo-con biddies extremely relevant for European "nerds" at least.
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The poster was right about the propaganda aspect though. Ukraine is using drones, most of them guided by humans or preprogrammed with coordinates. Not anything i would call a robot. And i am sure they are using AI for decision support tasks but i seriously doubt AI has much to do with the drones. This is more propaganda to pump AI. I hope the bubble bursts soon.
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Ukraine blows up a Russian refinery.
Russia bombs some random apartments and kills a dozen people in a random Ukranian city "in retaliation"
fuck off you stupid Russian troll.
Russia can just go home any time it likes...
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you are only told about civilian targets in Urkaine, as reporting military targets being hit is treason... so yes, Russia targets civilian installations (dorms used by military or drone production people, or simply damaged, lost or jammed droned hitting random targets), electricity distribution (you can't communicate or produce drones well without power) and other unknown targets as they aren't reported by either Ukraine nor Russia side.
On Russia side, you have more leaks on the social networks about hit ta
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The strike happened in occupied territory and Russia did not allow any independent accounts of the incident.
Kommersant reported that, after Latvia's Permanent Representative to the UN, Sanita Pavuta-Deslandes, questioned the veracity of Russia's account of the incident, the Russian Foreign Ministry invited foreign correspondents in Russia to visit Starobilsk. Zakharova said the ministry had received many requests from journalists and was forming a press pool for the trip, while claiming that BBC and CNN cor
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Western media hardly report on any individual strike. What we can find about the strike on May 22nd: Russia claims the dormitory was used as a dormitory. Ukraine claims the place was used as an HQ for Rubicon (the Russian elite drone unit). No one has been able to confirm or debunk either claim.
So: 1) Russia is lying about what went on in that building, 2) Ukraine acted on incorrect intel, 3) Ukraine accidentally hit the wrong building, or 4) Ukraine deliberately targeted a student dorm.
1 and 2 are pl
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5) it was the nth provocation to get russia to overreact and officially draw nato into the conflict, a provocation that once again russia managed not to bite into, although it's getting progressively harder to do so as internal pressure mounts. all the victims are identified and most of them were girls (that wasn't rubicon at all), as were the teachers some of whom were on ukranian's hate blacklist for "russian indocrination". the target choice clearly served 2 purposes: particularly enrage russian public o
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Well, we know who has [1]lost the argument [wikipedia.org]...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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is that the same fund used by the "Iraq have WMD" ?! Or is the one "Afghanistan is now a safe place"?
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Just because someone tries to make a list of rational and valid options, doesn't mean it supports either side.
War is wrong, both sides lose, truth is manipulated by both sides and while some people die, other get rich. Bad action happen on both sides, so accidents, we have no way to verify all and should not trust neither side reports without independent verification (that is usually impossible during wars)
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Putin-senpai will never notice you no matter how far you open your mouth.
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It's not his mouth that he's opening, though.
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Drones are the future of modern warfare. It doesn't seem like "neocon war propaganda" to point that out. Although I would prefer there not be any war at all, we still have madmen like Putin, Netanyahu, and Trump that go around intentionally starting wars. Pointing out that those madmen intentionally start wars isn't neocon propaganda either, it's a simple statement of fact.
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> Do you really have to give a platform to this kind of Neocon war propaganda on your tech forum?
News you don't like == propaganda?
Shit is happening on the tech front in the Russo-Ukrainian war with spillovers in the Middle East. We are witnessing a battleshift paradigm shift not unlike the widespread adoption of gunpowder, airpower and/or information technology....
... both sides have been heavily invested in this shit, not just Ukraine...
... and it's tilted the war in Ukraine's favor...
... and Hezbollah has embraced that 100%, giving a technically superior force (the IDF) more headaches than it c