British Columbia To End Time Changes, Adopt Year-Round Daylight Time (www.cbc.ca)
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- News link: https://yro.slashdot.org/story/26/03/02/2151248/british-columbia-to-end-time-changes-adopt-year-round-daylight-time
- Source link: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-adopting-year-round-daylight-time-9.7111657
> The B.C. government says this Sunday will be the last time British Columbians have to change their clocks. The province will be [1]permanently adopting daylight time and the March 8 "spring forward" will be the last time change, Premier David Eby announced Monday. "We are done waiting. British Columbia is going to change our clocks just one more time -- and then never again," Eby said. Residents will have eight months to prepare for Nov. 1, 2026, when the clocks would have been turned back one hour, but will now remain the same. B.C.'s new time zone will be called "Pacific Time," according to the province.
Further reading: [2]Permanent Standard Time Could Cut Strokes, Obesity Among Americans
[1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-adopting-year-round-daylight-time-9.7111657
[2] https://science.slashdot.org/story/25/09/16/2317241/permanent-standard-time-could-cut-strokes-obesity-among-americans
Permanently daylight savings? (Score:5, Insightful)
So "high noon" is now "high 11 o'clock"? How about permanent "noon is when the sun is directly overhead"??? You wanna do things an hour earlier in the summer? Change the schedule, not the time standard!!!
Re:Permanently daylight savings? (Score:5, Insightful)
Who cares if the sun is directly overhead at "noon" Just pick standard or daylight time and stick with it. You're never going to make everyone happy since the time from east to west of the time zone is going to differ by nearly an hour. so one side might have the highest point at "noon" while the other side has it at 11a or 1p. How many people actually look at the time at exactly "noon" and look up at the sky and actually bitch that the sun isn't at the highest point? We don't tell the time with sundials anymore, it really shouldn't matter
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If the time zones were done right, the maximum error would be +/- 30 minutes. I agree that it's only really "high noon" in the middle of the time zone.
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Do you care enough to be living smack in the middle of your own time zone? cause otherwise time noon will never be at solar noon even if were observing STD, DST or one of them all year round.
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Can probably also guarantee that smack in the middle of a time zone isn't even "solar noon" anyways. Likely they were fudged around to make population centers in each time zone as close to solar noon. Likely eastern time zone was set to have the north eastern population center around NYC and DC have their solar noon as close to time noon as possible. Fuck those people all the way over in western Michigan
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If they were trying to be as accurate with time zones as possible then time zones would be clean cut 15 degree pie slices around the planet, not the zigzagged line mess we actually have
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Then you've got countries like China, Greenland which are about 3 to 4 15 degree time zone slices wide and they're like fuck it our whole country is the same time zone. The EU is just about as bad being as wide as about 2.5-3 and all in the same time zone. Spain and the UK should probably be in the same time zone, but they're an hour apart.
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> How many people actually look at the time at exactly "noon" and look up at the sky and actually bitch that the sun isn't at the highest point? We don't tell the time with sundials anymore
Maybe with AI we could go back to everybody having their own personal noon :-)
Re:Permanently daylight savings? (Score:4, Informative)
Change whose schedule? Would you prefer passing all sorts of laws changing the start time of schools, the official working times, the shop mandatory opening times? Changing a standard is orders of magnitude easier, especially when one realise that your idea of "high noon" is fantasy that doesn't exist in much of the world and in many places where it does, it only does so for half a year anyway, and that before you consider the tilt of the earth not putting the sun overhead year round anyway.
Don't confuse solar noon and noon. If you want to be a Pegan and worship sun gods in the forest then by all means, but for the rest of the world "noon" is 12 o'clock regardless of where the sun is.
Though I will concede this change will piss off anyone who owns a sundial.
By the way where I live solar noon is at 12:56 in Jan and at 13:48 in Jul, and no one cares. That said I guess in BC people will care, after all 2026 years ago they didn't have wristwatches and the sun's location was the only way to tell the time. /lamejoke
In reality solar noon is currently at 12:26 in in Vancouver, so it's not like the sun is correct now either.
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4 time zones won't be enough for that!
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Sounds like you want to go back to the concept of "local time for local people", which existed before railways required common timekeeping for the entirety of a route... Noon was at different times of the day for east-west services...
There are reasons why "local time for local people" didnt work then for anything more than a single town or village, and those reasons are still valid now.
North Pacific Time with the usa in south? (Score:2)
North Pacific Time with the usa in south?
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No, just Pacific Time (PT) - we are not using Pacific Standard Time (PST) or Pacific Daylight Time (PDT.)
The neighbours to the south will still use PST and PDT.
Envy (Score:1)
I have great envy. That is what I wish we had in the USA- permanent Daylight Saving Time (summer time), where I won't lose that valuable after-work hour of evening daylight I really could use. Oh well. Maybe some day!
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Well, BC was initially waiting for California/Oregon/Washington to do the same thing. I guess the government got tired of waiting!
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At least they CAN do something. In the USA, States don't have that choice, still. They can choose to follow DST or ignore DST, but NOT always use DST. The bill to allow it has been close a few times. Still hoping.
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Well now perhaps that BC moved forward with it the three states can go "Hey, they've already done this and it's fine!" and try to push this forward but who really knows...
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Tell Trump that 51st state is getting uppity!
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Friendly tip: don't say anything about the "51st state" around Canadians. Not even if you're joking. It's uncool, and one of the big reasons Canadians are boycotting the USA right now as a travel destination, and avoiding USA products in stores.
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> At least they CAN do something. In the USA, States don't have that choice, still. They can choose to follow DST or ignore DST, but NOT always use DST. The bill to allow it has been close a few times. Still hoping.
Well that's news to me. Arizona does not observe DST because summer evenings would be too hot. And yet the Navajo Nation (most of which is in Arizona) does in fact observe DST -- they even had their own tzdatabase entry for awhile (but now use the Denver code if I'm not mistaken.)
If a state or a First Nations tribe can decide whether or not to observe DST, why couldn't they decide to observe it permanently?
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I'm in Washington, and looking north... I am green with envy right now.
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Don't be so envious. It will mean that children will need to go to school in the dark. Typical sunrise times for southern BC are 7:45 to 8:00 AM, and for norther BC it happens around 9:00 AM. All Pacific Standard Time. With Daylight Saving Time year-round, those times will all be one hour later.
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> It will mean that children will need to go to school in the dark.
Not necessarily. Just start classes an hour later.
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>> It will mean that children will need to go to school in the dark.
> Not necessarily. Just start classes an hour later.
Then their parents will need to start work an hour later. And other businesses will need to change their start-times. And so on.
BTW, the sunrise times I supplied were for December, the month of the winter solstice.
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Artificial illumination exists.
millions of devices (Score:2)
millions of devices that are not getting updates to their tzdata will switch back to standard time and on November 1 lots of people will not be sure what time it is
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You can simply toggle the option to auto adjust for DST. This option has existed forever.
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I've seen a lot of thermostats that change their clock settings twice a year with no way to make that not happen.
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Does anybody really know what time it is?
Does anybody really care?
If so, I can't imagine why
We've all got time enough to cry.
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> Does anybody really know what time it is?
> Does anybody really care?
> If so, I can't imagine why
> We've all got time enough to cry.
The time is ... 25 or 6 to 4.
Another Canadian... (Score:1, Funny)
It's about time! Saskatchewan has been doing this since 1972!
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No Saskatchewan certainly has not being doing permanent daylight savings time since 1972. Central standard time, yes. Central daylight, no.
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Ok, well how about no spring forward or fall back...
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Sure I'm strongly in favor of that. If Alberta had asked in their referendum if people wanted to keep MST year round, it would have passed in a landslide. but I, like most Albertans who voted, am strongly opposed to DST all the time, though. In fact I prefer the time the status quo to being on DST all winter.
Screw timezones and use Zulu. (Score:3, Insightful)
Screw time changes, everyone should just use Zulu and be done with it.
WTF cares if is it's "high noon" at 12:00 or 21:00, it's just a fucking number.
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China uses one time zone for the entire country. It is of course Beijing time. Interestingly such a policy solves absolutely none of the problems that people have with time zones in general. Because the time zone is so divorced from the actual solar time in far away regions, instead of working 9 to 5 (haha right), you'd be working 7 to to 3. This has all of the same problems as time zones with none of the benefits. I think they do it because it's part of how the CCP maintains this myth of a homogeneous
GMT Forever! (Score:3)
[ Need I say more? ]
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Totally agree - was just coming here to post the same info. Through December and January, it's super dark for the kids heading out to school in the morning - which is a dangerous situation that the state of Washington discovered in 1974: https://washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/
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They should have stuck with permanent Standard Time. That's what most health experts recommend.
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Yukon has effectively been on permanent daylight time since 2020 and they seem to be doing just fine.
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> "sunrise will be after 9 am in the winter for people in Vancouver"
If you knew anything about vancouver and the coast it is that it is typically grey, raining and miserable 24x7 from sept to june. "The sun" barely comes out at all (this year not withstanding).
So lets just say, people are already used to that!!
Just do it! (Score:2)
Near-lifelong B.C. resident here...
People have grumbled about time changes as long as I can remember. Pick one. Stick to it. Just do it.
I can't say I agree with their choice. Not so much the crazy late sunset in the summer - we're used to that - but the very late sunrise in the winter. The sun will still set by 5 in December and January. So what?
...laura
Half-good (Score:2)
This is a half-good decision. Not changing the clock twice a year is good. But it would have been [1]better [aasm.org] to go with Standard Time.
[1] https://aasm.org/sleep-experts-advocate-for-permanent-standard-time-ahead-of-fall-time-change/
Americans, you want the same thing? (Score:3, Funny)
Just tell cheeto that changing clocks was a liberal idea and that sharpie will scribble an executive order in no time.
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That's probably the best way to end this nonsense. Let the farmers or whoever else needs the extra daylight hours change their sleep schedule to wake at whatever time is appropriate for that time of the year rather than making everyone else endure this twice yearly time change BS
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Stop blaming the farmers. Do you really think the rural-dweller or their herd of livestock care one lick what set of segments/pixels are lit when they rise, before the sun, to begin feeding? How do you think the cattle would feel about suddenly getting breakfast an hour late*?
Or that crop farmers, during planting/harvest seasons, are going to let morning light go to waste for any/no reason at all?
That's some real BS right there.
We put up with this because of suburban parents. (and maybe some commercial inte
Re: Americans, you want the same thing? (Score:2)
The problem for farmers is most (around here at least) work a 9 to 5 job as well as farm so they can afford their addiction to living on the land.
Animal care schedules have to mesh with schedules tied to the time zone. One schedule is static and the other flip flops twice a year. It's a pain in the ass issue that mainly benefits the golfing cult.
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I am all for ending the time changing, but I'm strongly opposed to daylight savings time year round. Stick with standard time.
DST has never had anything to do with farmers. I'm not sure where that myth got started. I first originated during WWI as a way to save fuel, although I don't think it ever saved anything.
Re: Americans, you want the same thing? (Score:1)
You live on the western end of your time zone, don't you? I live on the eastern end of mine. And sunset is before 430pm in the winter and it fucking sucks. Maybe let's split the difference and go to utc-0430 for New England.
Re:Americans, you want the same thing? (Score:4, Insightful)
Cheeto man literally tried and failed a year ago. There's a congressional law that mandates any state that starts using daylight savings time cannot legally stop without permission, and Congress is filled with so many dusty liches that they refuse to repeal this law despite overwhelming popularity to do so because their literally fossilized brains cannot comprehend doing the jobs they were chosen to do.
America's problems go far deeper than dementia Hitler, the two houses of Congress are nothing but petty robbers so old they think walking on two legs is a modern invention, and it has a populace so disconnected and uncaring about how the government works or what it does they keep re-electing these paleozoic cretins indefinitely. Cheeto man is just the apotheosis of glitzy, substanceless drooling uncaringness that is the United States.
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I suspect part of the issue here is complexity.
People in the US seem to elect everyone from the president to the local dogcatcher, and when you go to vote you get a ballot that's three feet long.
A lot of people probably give up and don't vote because it's so complicated.