Americans Are Leaving the US in Record Numbers (msn.com)
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- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/26/02/26/127223/americans-are-leaving-the-us-in-record-numbers
- Source link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/americans-are-leaving-the-us-in-record-numbers/ar-AA1X5a4f
> In its 250th year, is America, land of immigration, becoming a country of emigration? Last year the U.S. experienced something that hasn't definitively occurred since the Great Depression: More people [1]moved out than moved in . The Trump administration has hailed the exodus -- negative net migration -- as the fulfillment of its promise to ramp up deportations and restrict new visas. Beneath the stormy optics of that immigration crackdown, however, lies a less-noticed reversal: America's own citizens are leaving in record numbers, replanting themselves and their families in lands they find more affordable and safe.
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> Since the Eisenhower administration, the U.S. hasn't collected comprehensive statistics on the number of citizens leaving. Yet data on residence permits, foreign home purchases, student enrollments and other metrics from more than 50 countries show that Americans are voting with their feet to an unprecedented degree. A millions-strong diaspora is studying, telecommuting and retiring overseas. The new American dream, for some of its citizens, is to no longer live there.
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> In the cobblestoned streets of Lisbon, so many Americans are snapping up apartments that the newest arrivals complain they mostly hear their own language -- not Portuguese. One of every 15 residents in Dublin's trendy Grand Canal Dock district was born in the U.S., according to realtors, higher than the percentage of Americans born in Ireland during the 19th-century influx following the Potato Famine. In Bali, Colombia and Thailand, the strains of housing American remote workers paid in dollars have inspired locals to mount protests against a wave of gentrification. More than 100,000 young students are enrolled abroad for a more affordable university degree. In nursing homes mushrooming across the Mexican border, elderly Americans are turning up for low-cost care.
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> [...] The U.S. experienced net negative migration -- an estimated loss of some 150,000 people -- in 2025, and the outflow will likely increase in 2026, according to calculations by the Brookings Institution, a public-policy think tank. The number could be larger or smaller because official U.S. data doesn't yet fully capture the number of people leaving, Brookings analysts noted. The total in-migration was between around 2.6 and 2.7 million in 2025, down from a peak of almost 6 million in 2023. The U.S. saw 675,000 deportations and 2.2 million "self-deportations" last year, according to data from the Department of Homeland Security. A Wall Street Journal analysis of 15 countries providing full or partial 2025 data showed that at least 180,000 Americans joined them -- a number likely to be far higher when other countries report full statistics.
[1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/americans-are-leaving-the-us-in-record-numbers/ar-AA1X5a4f
It's the economy, stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
The choices we - and our government - are making are driving out many of the people who we most need here to move our country forward.
We're attacking science and science funding - so scientists are leaving.
We're attacking academia - so academics are leaving.
We're attacking labor - so laborers are leaving.
We're attacking free speech - so journalists are leaving.
We're attacking medicine - so physicians and nurses are leaving
This is not the start of the brain drain, merely the acceleration. It certainly isn't nearly the end of it either.
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When the morons make life miserable and can't be restrained, the smart with means get the hell out. Every one who leaves effectively makes the morons a bit more powerful, which makes the next smart person with means more likely to decide to leave.
It'd be nice if they stayed to fight to preserve their country, but can you blame them? I live in Canada, and what's happening in the US means I have escape plans for myself and my family just in case the US successfully drags us down with them.
Re:It's the economy, stupid (Score:4, Interesting)
The UK is experiencing something similar at the moment, with high emigration. We haven't elected a fascist government yet, but we did enshittify our country with 14 years of austerity, then brexit, and finally a botched COVID response that helped plunder what was left.
Poor wages, unaffordable housing and general cost of living, a country that feels like it is in decline.
I'm telling you this because if Trump leaves office, you need to be ready to radically fix things. If the Democrats do like last time and don't reverse most of it, don't really try to radically fix things, the rot sets in and is very hard to get rid of. It also leads back to more populism.
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Or, liberals are leaving because they only feel patriotic when they are in charge, while the people who consistently love this country and want it to work, stay.
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Republicans are out of ideas. At least ideas that their billionaire buddies will allow.
So they have to offer their voters something, some reason to vote Republican even though the economy gets worse every time they do.
Anti-science and anti-vax has become the new moral panic in the new culture War.
The trans panic is winding down because it's been almost 10 years that the Republican party has been telling you that they're going to cut cis boys dicks off and that you need to actually care about wom
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Hey....to all the Rosie O'Donnels, and Ellen D's and their ilk....I say good riddance.
And also to idiots like this:
[1]US Chick leaves for Canada [youtu.be] and seems shocked prices are higher up there and that they don't let foreigners work nor have their free healthcare....
Between libs and extremists like these leaving....and libs actively NOT reproducing, in a few years, we'll be rid of the problems and the US can hopefully, revert back more to what normal life was even only 15 or so years ago....ok maybe 25 years.
[1] https://youtu.be/lLGvjJH-3AQ?si=yIw9PpQWjSlwpdNb
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> Seems pretty stupid and short sighted to leave because you don't like a particular president. He will be gone in a few years...
The system that enabled him to come to power won't be.
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And when that same system brings someone into power that you do like, what then?
You win some and you lose some. That's life. Some people consistently love this country regardless of whether they win or lose. Some people only love it when they win. Polling suggests the first group are mostly Republicans, and the second are mostly Democrats. That the "it's only good when we win" sentiment exists at all should trouble you. That it is a partisan issue should trouble you more.
Why? Because it is a goo
Re: It's the economy, stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
And yet the Maggots with which la Presidenta has populated parts of the government will remain. They never had an ounce of sense (look at whom they follow) and they will continue to screw things up for years to come. The Red states they've taken over will become an even greater drain on the economy.
Also, the graft and corruption he incorporated into the government and business will also remain and be difficult to weed out.
There's an article on the NYT front page about how cryptocurrencies are diving because there is no use for them. The crypto-bros spent heavily to get their dimwits elected and the dimwits have a bill in Congress to create a "national crypto stockpile". el Bunko profited very well off those idiots and to pay them back he removed just about all crypto-controls, he even pardoned a felon who was convicted for fraud. Should the U.S. have a crypto-stockpile, it will turn to dust as will all the tax dollars they spend on it.
California (Score:2)
Isn't this one of the talking points that conservatives on this very forum regularly use to attack California? If they had any principals or integrity or sincerity, I imagine they'd find this article pretty alarming.
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Are the people who left California going on to leave the country, or are the people leaving the ones who drove those other people out of California?
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> Oh, wow, hot take!
Since it wasn't one, thanks for proving my point?
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On the other hand they did acknowledge that [1]young women want to escape the country [foxnews.com], but of course the faux news crowd is happy to just chain them to a stove or whatever
[1] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/record-40-young-women-want-flee-us-poll
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Except what you're saying isn't true [1]https://www.pewresearch.org/jo... [pewresearch.org] . Fox is still the favorite.
[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2025/06/10/the-political-gap-in-americans-news-sources/
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Why would being pro-abortion and anti-death penalty be contradictory stances? Killing a non sentient collection of cells isn't at all the same as killing a walking, talking person.
Is this really emigration? (Score:3)
How much of this is down to "snowbirds"?
I've seen reports that Canadians are turning their backs on Florida - and selling their properties there - and heading elsewhere, and that Lisbon (along with the rest of that country) was actively trying to attract them, but their primary reasons (ICE, and a state legislature going out of their way to drive them elsewhere) don't really apply to US snowbirds. Bali, Colombia and Thailand would also fit. If this effect is down to that then 2025 is probably a one-off - they will have spent winter 2024/25 in Florida, Arizona or whatever, winter 2025/26 outside the US but only their departures will have been registered because they have not returned yet.
Of course Ireland is less of a destination for that kind of tourism.
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What is a snowbird? Sorry not American, trying to understand.
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A snowbird is a Canadian, usually senior or retired person that migrates to Florida or some other warm place in the US during the cold months of the year. I think they say "snowbird" because many birds seasonally migrate to and from Canada, much in the same way.
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No, anyone from the North who spends the winter in a second home in the South. Every winter, the number of New York and Michigan license plates seen in Florida explodes.
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Snowbirds also are VERY BIG in Arizona too.....
I lived in AZ a year and it almost took that full year to actuallly meet an AZ native....seemed everyone was from somewhere in the NE of the US back then.
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Snowbirds are also from Minnesota, and they winter in Kalifornia, Arizona as well as Texas LA and Florida.
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A snowbird is someone who has a second home somewhere warm, in which they live for months at a time while avoiding the winter of their primary residence's climate.
I've never heard it applied to Americans, though, just Canadians who go to Florida for six months at a time.
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It is a common term in northern states. I live in a state that borders on Canada, and my next door neighbors move to Arizona every November and come back in April.
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Yup, I lived in both New York and Florida and can attest to this. Not as a snowbird, I can't afford two homes.
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Its widely applied to American's who live in the North East and upper midwest.
Its frequently used for people with Winter residences in more rural or touristy portions of Arizona, New Mexico, as well, less often for Georgia, Mississippi, and Alabama.
Places that comfortable in September - March, but cheap because they are not comfortable the rest of year and there is little in the way of employment, unless its handyman, grocery store clerk, audiologist, or physician. That is fine because snowbirding is most
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> What is a snowbird? Sorry not American, trying to understand.
In nature, Snowbirds are the Junco, a small ground feeding bird that shows up in the winter, and leaves in the spring. For humans, it means people wo spend time in places like Florida, yet live in a colder climate normally. I have a lot of them in by back yard since I feed them. Many of the human "snowbirds" live in Canada.
Many eschewed Florida in the previous You know who administration.
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Grand Canal Dock (per article) is a stupidly expensive, up market part of Dublin to buy property in. So these are very rich Americans. Presumably tech bros, investors, bankers etc. They may not all live there, and some may actually be leasing the properties out or living there as a second home. But some of them presumably live there full time.
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It makes sense. The upper-middle and above classes are the only people with the means to leave.
The average american living paycheck to paycheck could never afford to pick up their lives and move states let alone countries. It's part of why we keep them that way.
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> How much of this is down to "snowbirds"? I've seen reports that Canadians are turning their backs on Florida - and selling their properties there - and heading elsewhere, and that Lisbon (along with the rest of that country) was actively trying to attract them, but their primary reasons (ICE, and a state legislature going out of their way to drive them elsewhere) don't really apply to US snowbirds. Bali, Colombia and Thailand would also fit. If this effect is down to that then 2025 is probably a one-off - they will have spent winter 2024/25 in Florida, Arizona or whatever, winter 2025/26 outside the US but only their departures will have been registered because they have not returned yet. Of course Ireland is less of a destination for that kind of tourism.
Don't forget the politically based abandonment by Canadians started in the previous you know who administration, and Americans going the expat route has been around for many, many years.
I think the article is clickus baitus. Mixing deportations of non-citizens with people voluntarily going expat, with some pulled out of the air "millions, claiming it is Americans leaving, then at the end some 150,000 people. Just kinda sketchy writing, and conclusions.
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> Since the Eisenhower administration, the U.S. hasn't collected comprehensive statistics on the number of citizens leaving.
It is difficult to come up with exact figures under those circumstances.
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There are also people like myself who have no restraints on where in the world we can work. I have the means to leave and the ability so my wife and I have been doing our research on which country to buy our way into residency. Once we do that we plan to work our remaining 8-10 years, retire, and never return to US soil.
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So with all the opportunity the US has obviously given you....what is making you want to move away forever so badly?
Genuinely curious.....
I've been out of the US to Europe, etc....fun to visit but I could never see myself living away from the US for any extended period of time....just seems too 'primitive" over there....trying to ice in a drink seems like pulling teeth, you know...little things like that just add up over awhile.
And I just can't see liquidating my gun collection.....whew....that would tak
Nobody cares though (Score:2)
The conservatives just figure it's people they don't want in America anyway, and the liberals are convinced we're still headed for a Malthusian resource shortage soon, so they want the population to decrease anyway, so nobody actually cares (except the economists and the geo-politics people, but who listens to them?)
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On one hand, most jobs are getting either automated or offshored, which then begs the question - what would people do living in the US anyway? People who are in the country illegally are leaving b'cos sooner or later, ICE will get them, while those who are citizens are either going to more affordable places if they are retired, or to places that still have jobs
Very soon, all these businesses that have encouraged the offshoring of their operations to countries (mainly) in Asia will recognize the wisdom of
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most jobs are getting either automated or offshored
This doesn't make any sense. [1]There are more jobs in the US now than at any time in history and the unemployment rate is near historical all-time lows. [statista.com] But go ahead and live on vibes instead of data, and see how that works out for you.
[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/269959/employment-in-the-united-states/?srsltid=AfmBOopIRgqyXnH8D78N9q6-j0mHsXS0ffiYrXiIsI_d4HyKaqvKFMvH
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I'd change that to "conservatives just figure it's people who didn't want to be in America". That they're finally taking "love it or leave it" seriously.
Polling suggests that Democrats only feel patriotic when they are in charge, while Republicans are always patriotic, regardless of who sits in the White House.
If I had the means (Score:4, Interesting)
I'd leave. I have the smarts and skills to get a decent job anywhere in the world. The issue is the means. I lost all my savings, and barely can make rent, and that's with a decent job, as my rent is now almost 3/4ths of my monthly wage, and my debt is going up.
Even with excellent credit, I can't get a house, because without that savings that I lost in this economy, I can't afford the down payment.
I'm doing what I can, but even though I work a decent position in a very well known (sometimes hated) company, it's not exactly easy to pick up and move to better areas, because even moving 60 miles away from where I was cost me almost $10k in all expenses, due to the cost of even moving.
I live in the midwest. It's becoming a shithole, all cost-affordable places are being bought up by private equity real estate firms and turned into luxury apartments, or plain tearing down affordable HOUSES to raze them and put up luxury apartments, thus forcing low-cost houses to be foreclosed-upon when residents of 50 years in said houses can't keep up on taxes, allowing venture firms to buy them up at a complete steal. Rinse and repeat.
Even the midwest is no longer the laid-back and cheaper living. Grocery bills now equal 1/4th of your income per month for 2 adults with no kids. The cost of insurance, if you have to pay straight out, could equal almost 75% of your paycheck, which if you are a lower-wage contractor or holding two minimum wage jobs, is impossible to pay. I live in an area where public transporation is purposely sabotaged by the city, good luck on bicycles, as you are likely to die by everyone that thinks you should ride on the non-existent sidewalks and then run you over, or plain without a car, your live is damn-near unlivable.
Saying "if your job doesn't pay enough, go back to school." With what money? there's no loans, even for community colleges, and now that the economy is tanking, plus this state's fight against anything technologically advanced (Hint: we are just west of Iowa where our football team is proud of it's corn abilities), to the point where they have hindered fiber or telecommunications roll outs and upgrades, means unless you are some ignorant hick that barely can stave off addiction to fentanyl and work at a Mickey D's or Burger King, they don't want you, because you might vote to hold corrupt assholes accountable at state level that dumbs our entire population I.Q. So bad, they purposely pretty much gutted the Pell Grant to prevent people of color from being able to go to college.
This is what I'm seeing in the bread basket, and more and more, farmers are not being bought out, but bullied via regulation, off their land, so large Agg companies can basically steal it at low prices and it seems family and generationally-owned farming is becoming impossible to navigate.
I kind of wish our Governor and Senators in Kahoots would be eaten by the pig farms they run. Not only are they racist, but corrupt, as well as part of the Make America Get Ass-raped coalition, meaning stupidity is the one thing they foster of it's people, so they roll over and play nice.
Being immuno-compromised, Covid was even more hellish here, because I and my wife (she has asthma) were actually physically and verbally attacked for daring to wear a mask (even though due to her extreme asthma and I'm developing it, we end up having to wear masks even today, because smokers will set it off and we have to rush to our inhaler).
I feel things are going to get so bad, this country will devolve into a Civil War. I've picked the side I'll fight for if that happens, but maybe that might be what we need to drag the idiots and malice in power out of their seats to recover the land, and eventually (and hopefully) in the future, our dignity. Not because it's better for us, but for the world. And I don't think we need to be a super power, we were before. But on equal footing on the world stage. Not the dominator. I'm OK if the world currency isn't based on us, if we aren't the biggest military power. I don't have the hubris to believe we should be number 1. But we are about the OK'est third world country people ever visited. Now THAT'S an embaressment.
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> I work a decent position in a very well known (sometimes hated) company
Who is it, ConAgra? Gallup? PayPal? They all have offices all over the world. Maybe they'll transfer you if you ask. With your current budget situation, you'll never "save up" enough money to do it on your own. It's a great big world out there and if you are unhappy, there's no time like now to do something about it.
I bumped into a guy last fall who up and left his dead-end job for a dead-end job as a ski lift attendant. Sure, he's not getting ahead as a lifty either, but he boards every day and is loving
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Sad story! Try talking over your situation with an LLM to see if leaving really would be impossible. It's not going to be easy for sure, but doing hard things is a great way of generating interesting life stories.
The current chapter in your life sounds bleak. It may be time to turn the page.
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"60 miles away from where I was cost me almost $10k in all expenses"
It cost us less to move a family of four over 2500 miles away. And that was moving enough stuff to fill a 2800 square foot house. And even after all that, I wish I would have just gotten rid of more stuff. I still have boxes that I haven't opened three years later and furniture that I replaced because it didn't quite work. I don't know what possessions are such an anchor around your neck. But if your situation is so dire, cut the chain m
leave america (Score:2)
So did they leave America or did they renounce their citizenship? If they just moved abroad the number are meaningless. If they renounced their citizenship then you have a real number.
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Makes sense if you're never coming back. America is the only country that makes citizens living abroad pay taxes.
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Unless your net worth exceeded $2 million and you suddenly have to pay capital gains on everything the moment you give it up. Then you might consider paying the taxes to protect the growth of your assets.
Wonderful! (Score:5, Insightful)
I think that's wonderful news. Living in another country will broaden your horizons more than any other experience I can think of.
We are all people. We all live on one planet. The more we live in different places, and the more we get to be around people living here from other places, the better it will be for all of us.
This is not a call for open borders. Maybe, one day, when we are united as a planet. However, within the pathways that exist today: let's get to know each other more!
Shithole Country (Score:2)
America has become a shithole country, it's no wonder people with the means want to get out.
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The country has been on a path of ruin ever since neoliberals got in power back with the election of Reagan. Wealth has been accumulating to the top, with jobs going overseas, wages stagnating, and purchase power falling, and the problems being hidden from sight economically with the expansion of credit, and politically with propaganda, I mean, narratives of the greatest country and freedom and such, and maybe most importantly, sowing of divisive hatred against the other half as the purpoted reason for all
Re:Fuck this administration (Score:5, Insightful)
It's always funny to me when people point the finger at liberalism (or "neoliberalism" which is just a catch-all for things they don't like.).
No, it isn't liberalism.
It's tax policy.
That's all it is.
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> It's always funny to me when people point the finger at liberalism (or "neoliberalism" which is just a catch-all for things they don't like.).
> No, it isn't liberalism.
Correct, "neoliberals" are not liberals. You were so close!
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I get the sense you're one of these people that complains about globalism while never voting.
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> I get the sense you're one of these people that complains about globalism while never voting.
Wrong again. I complain about nationalism while voting. I even voted for Clinton.
Got any more cuck takes for us?
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The lead is deep in your brain.
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> The lead is deep in your brain.
I accept your admission of stupidity. You may run along now.
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A legend in your own mind
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Jobs going overseas didn't really pick up until the 1990's though. Mostly the late 90's, but it started with NAFTA, and then accelerated when we started bringing China in.
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The biggest problem with the Democrat party is that they are not able to sufficiently stop the Republican party from destroying American democracy and the global world order.
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> The biggest problem with the Democrat party is that they are not able to sufficiently stop the Republican party from destroying American democracy and the global world order.
Well... it's more the problem that the people/voters aren't stopping them as they keep believing whatever Republicans are shoveling, even things that are obviously false and/or against their interests. The billionaires and large corporations are making out okay though...
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Oh, is that why elected Democrats are against voter ID even though the overwhelming majority of voters, including Democrats, support it?
Maybe, the "problem" is that voters are rejecting what Democrats shovel. The party is on the wrong side of a lot of 80/20 issues.
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First, for a party other than yours to win is not the destruction of democracy. It means there is democracy instead of a one-party dictatorship. If you are only happy about the country when your party is in charge, maybe you'd prefer to live in a dictatorship. I would not.
Second, I remember how twenty years ago, the left was violently opposed to globalism (antifa at the G8?). Now, the left appears to be violently opposed to anti-globalism.
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Just for a taste, Bill Clintons in particular played a huger role in shipipng the jobs overseas.
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> Also, on a personal note, I'm no fan of DJT, but he's so far done what he said he would - that's usually a quality to be celebrated in a politician, if he can be described as such.
Contrary to popular opinion, politicians in general try to get through with the agenda they presented as their election platform. There are many ways to fail, but in general, it's not because of the lack of trying.
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Which is absolutely true and there is plenty of data to support it! It's almost funny that this basic truth is so widely discarded. To the detriment of voters, who may vote for sincere politicians on the cynical assumption that they don't really mean they're going to do some unwanted thing. p. Then you see news stories aghast at how a politician is actually trying to do what they promised.
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Progressive for whom?
Before the neoliberal era, US corporations and rich paid up to a 90% tax rate. This was a deliberate policy coming from the New Deal era, the purpose of which was to not allow accumulations of wealth that could buy politics, and also to incentivise investing gains back into production instead of coasting on low effort gains.
These days neither the rich nor the corporations pay pretty much any taxes, which in and itself is not an entirely novel thing in human history. The problem is that
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This article dumb, it's the boomers retiring. The example used Portugal, its a huge location for people retiring right now (in addition to anywhere else with lower cost of living and a different way of life)
Re: Fuck this administration (Score:2, Informative)
Iâ(TM)ve met several self-identified regime-fugitives this Summer. And on my 20 minute morning walk I meet at least 2 American dogwalkers every day, and several Americans in the local coffee corner. All are considerable younger than I am, only one couple has kids. Anekdote â proof, but the scale high potentials vs boomers is tipping only one way.
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Even with that though we were still projected to have a growing population right now until Trump came to power.
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My parents did that years ago. And the story does mention retirement homes along the Mexican border. It's the applications for de-naturalization that represent non-retirees. You don't usually renounce your citizenship to retire overseas.
Re:Fuck this administration (Score:5, Insightful)
People have been leaving ever since the pandemic normalized remote work. Many other parts of the world are a whole heaping lot cheaper to live in than the USA and just as nice or nicer in various ways. So, people in a position to be able to remote work have high incentive to bolt, and the tech that supports remote work is here to stay (unlike Trump).
If you are looking for political motivation to leave, though, that door swings both ways. There is a conservative culture in the country that thinks liberals have attained far too much power and are ruining it, and fully expect a huge liberal pushback in the very near future. And there is a liberal culture in this country that (much like you) sees the Trump administration as the harbinger of the end times. The extremists on both sides can't abide each others' existence, and they make a lot of noise about it, so that friction is probably also driving some departures on both sides.
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Meanwhile Canada has stopped purchasing US military equipment
EU is now moving a way from purchasing US military equipment.
So who do we sell to now?
Re:Fuck this administration (Score:5, Insightful)
> Stop trying to change what the founding fathers made
The founding fathers didn't want a king.
Re:Fuck this administration (Score:4, Insightful)
>> Stop trying to change what the founding fathers made
> The founding fathers didn't want a king.
And we don't have one. Or a Hitler. No matter how badly some people scream so.
Re:Fuck this administration (Score:5, Interesting)
> And we don't have one. Or a Hitler. No matter how badly some people scream so.
I'm not screaming, but I genuinely would like to know how the following behaviors are not Trump being a king:
-Pardoning people after they make a large donation to him.
-Pardoning his friends and supporters, even when they clearly break the law, because they were breaking the law in support of him.
-Demanding public institutions give him free land on which he will build a hotel and other properties that will benefit him (and may contain some kind of "library").
-Flaunting the law and saying rulings from the Supreme Court make no difference.
-Refusing to share evidence of criminal activities with local law enforcement officers.
-Hiding dozens and dozens of pages of materials from the Epstein files that allegedly implicate him in wrong doing.
-Receiving an airplane as a bribe - er, gift - and then rewarding that country with favorable policies.
-Saying he will name a person to be the leader of Venezuela IF she gives him the Nobel Peace Prize (which she did).
All of this - and more - he does while his sycophants bow down and worship him, lavishing praise on everything he does and never acknowledging or pointing out anything that he ever did was wrong or should be held accountable for.
So please, explain to me how this isn't a king?
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Was he crowned? Did he claim the Divine Right? Has he styled himself as "your majesty" or "your grace"?
No? Then he isn't a frikkin king is he!
As for your list:
- Clinton definitely did that, as have many others
- See above
- You mean his Presidential Library? See above. Include Biden and his library at... I forget which university.
- Oh, like Biden and Obama saying that the law banning public funds for illegal aliens was confusing so they wouldn't enforce it? Or like every president that runs
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A rose by any other name would smell as sweet, and a king by any other name would act the same.
He 'crowned' himself when he posted an AI image of himself wearing a goddamned crown. His followers practically worship him as they would God or Jesus. He doesn't need to call himself Majesty because everyone is already required to address him by a title; it's just President instead of King or Emperor or Great Dear Supreme Leader.
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Yes, it is a concern. It could be that the party that is only happy when it is in charge will double down and elect someone as far-left as Hitler was and enforce the one-party rule they seem so bent on achieving.
And yes, Hitler was very far left. He was a Socialist. He was the Socialist leader of the National Socilaist German Worker's Party. He did what every Socialist does and made himself dictator. Look at his economic policies if you don't believe me. Entirely Socialist.
It is a later revisionis
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I don't hate Trump. I pity him. No matter how much shit he slaps his name on, it won't fill the hole is daddy left in him. But people that damaged shouldn't be let anywhere near power.
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I'm in favor of deporting anyone with no native heritage from the US.
Re:No more immigration of CRIMINALS - a GOOD THING (Score:4, Funny)
That's about 340 million people.
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Well, I hope they take their trash with them.
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> I'm in favor of deporting anyone with no native heritage from the US.
Are you saying that only Native Americans (Indians as they call themselves) should be allowed to stay? Where will all of us from European descent go? Space hasn't been opened up yet, and Europe would be flooded if they were even willing to accept most of us back.
Or are you one of those who believes the European settler heritage qualifies as native? Because it wasn't all that long ago us white people were the immigrants.
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They call themselves "Indians"? As opposed to the specific tribe they belong to - Navajo, Iroquois, Cherokee,... I know Columbus thought he landed in India, but did they think they live in India?
To avoid the dot-feather confusion, maybe India should formally do what other countries, like Burma, Swaziland, Upper Volta, Turkey... did and just officially - in English, not just in Hindi - change its name to Bharat, like it's called in most Sanskrit based languages. Leave the name "Indian" for pre-European
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> They call themselves "Indians"? As opposed to the specific tribe they belong to - Navajo, Iroquois, Cherokee,... I know Columbus thought he landed in India, but did they think they live in India?
> To avoid the dot-feather confusion, maybe India should formally do what other countries, like Burma, Swaziland, Upper Volta, Turkey... did and just officially - in English, not just in Hindi - change its name to Bharat, like it's called in most Sanskrit based languages. Leave the name "Indian" for pre-European natives of the Americas
When chatting with us white folks, they do refer to themselves as Indians collectively, since we've always treated them as a singular monolithic group. Once you get to know them and start speaking with them on a regular basis, they'll introduce you to their tribe and customs. The few I've been good friends with said they get so used to being seen as a monolith by most that they don't bother identifying themselves as anything other than "Indian" until they feel like they're being seen as actual people by the
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I live in New Mexico with a lot of native tribes and I can't recall the last time I have heard the term 'Indian' used by anyone.
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The Haudenosaunee - formerly known as Iroquois, but that was a pejorative term given to them by their enemies, the Algonquin - call themselves Ong-we-honek-weh, or The People. The Haudenosaunee is comprised of six separate nations - from east to west: Mohawks, Oneida, Onondaga, Cuyuga, Seneca, and Tuscarora - and the Senecas do, in fact, call themselves the Seneca Nation of Indians on their official documents. The Senecas I know typically don't make a big fuss over "Indian"; it's such a small factor in th
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The problem with that is, how far do you go back?
2 generations, 5? 10? 100? What if you (or more probably, your ancestors) had no say in that. Having sub 3rd class tickets and arriving in chains.
Never mind that would actually mean deporting the FLOTUS. (FLOTUS is proof, immigrants will do the job that "real" americans won't do).
Disclaimer: Not American. Nor have I ever wanted to be.
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"COMMON SENSE right wing values see both as clearly bad. " Just what are those? The right wing value to shoot anyone they don't like? Setting up an Gestapo with surveillance powers over all Americans? The right wing value to determine local elections by banning those they do not like from voting? The right wing value to shit all over transsexuals because they just might use a bathroom of which they do not approve? The right wing value to screw over poor peoples healthcare? The right wing value to take their
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Nice to see there are still a few people here that get it.
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Don't worry. If Trump has his way everyone's Social Security cheques will be cancelled.
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I will 100% give up my social security if the US let's me stop paying all US taxes the moment I leave US soil. The tax cost of giving up US citizenship is way more than I'll ever see in social security.
So you make that happen I'll leave today.
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Move to a country with a tax treaty with the US. Unless you're really earning a lot, you won't pay any taxes, although you will have to file a US tax return, because taxes are higher other places. If you're still paying US taxes, you're doing alright. I have a friend here in London who is a CFO, he has to pay taxes back in the US, but it's not that much and he's pretty flush and not bothered.
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Sure you can do that, but then you are still a US citizen. Which means you get social security.
I'm happy to do that. But if you want me to 'leave' for real you need to make it attractive to give up citizenship.
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> I get wanting to move to another country but how do you have the security to do so? How do you make sure you have opportunities and secure jobs for multiple family members?
Well if you look for those interviews of Americans moving to Europe, you'll find some cases of people who are freelancing after building a portfolio of clients in the good markets all over the USA.
The one time I heard someone mention $ figures, it was someone from Kansas who made a career in web advertising there and in California. Now she works for the same sort of customers and was happy to find that for the same sort of rent she paid in Kansas she was living in Lisbon, a capital city with access to the b
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What on earth was Obama's overreach? Propping up our failing healthcare system to give it a few more years?
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No, Obama's 50% blackness was the over-reach.
Notice the swing backwards 50 years and the repealing of parts of the civil rights act? (they are about to gut it; likely this year.) But they did try hard to destroy the healthcare "system" and go back to near anarchy again. Hell, we're swinging back towards anarchy as well. Rich people love to exploit the masses who are unable to organize.
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We already have *so much* fucking space in this country that it appears largely empty, if you get out of the cities. Drive on I-90 or I-80 west of the Mississippi, and you'll wonder why white people had to have all of that land, instead of leaving it to the Natives. We're not doing shit with it. Nobody's there. There's no reason we couldn't leave the Natives to hunt buffalo, as they had for generations, short of outright racism. Fk off with your "lebensraum," you deluded Nazi.
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Brain drain is a sign of economic and/or political stress. Skilled people go somewhere else because the money / opportunities / quality of life are better.
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> Brain drain is a sign of economic and/or political stress. Skilled people go somewhere else because the money / opportunities / quality of life are better.
A lot of people emigrating are those who are retired, want to live in a warm climate, and want to live in a place where their money goes further. It isn't just workers.
I've seen the breathless stories all over the internet for many years now, so while the usual suspects will blame this all on you know who, I'm not certain he caused this in 2005.
Gotta admit, it is perfect clickbait for the /. crew.
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Once this starts getting noticed, I'll bet that a lot of these countries will be less welcoming of Americans - particularly retirees, and start requiring visas to stay there. Right now, having a US passport implies easy entry & stay in a lot of countries.
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They already do require visas to stay longer than 90 days.
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So an order of magnitude cheaper than paying out of pocket in the USA. How sad.
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This is not how it works. If you want public healthcare, you have to pay for it. A share of your retirement funds will float each month to the various health care systems. It's just that it is much cheaper than in the U.S., and usually, you can't opt out, except you can prove you have enough regular income to pay out of pocket.