Sony Tech Can Identify Original Music in AI-Generated Songs (nikkei.com)
- Reference: 0180810132
- News link: https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/26/02/17/1228205/sony-tech-can-identify-original-music-in-ai-generated-songs
- Source link: https://asia.nikkei.com/business/technology/artificial-intelligence/sony-group-tech-can-identify-original-music-in-ai-generated-songs
> Sony Group's technology analyzes which musicians' songs were used in learning and generating music. It can quantify the contribution of each original work, such as "30% of the music used by the Beatles and 10% by Queen," for example.
>
> If the AI developer agrees to cooperate for the analysis, Sony Group will obtain data by connecting to the developer's base model system. When cooperation is not attainable, the technology estimates the original work by comparing AI-generated music with existing music. The AI boom has sparked numerous cases in which AI developers are accused of using copyrighted music, video and writing without permission to train machines. In the music industry, AI-generated songs using the voices of well-known singers have been distributed online. The Japanese company thinks the technology will help create a system that distributes revenue generated by AI music to original songwriters based on their contribution.
[1] https://asia.nikkei.com/business/technology/artificial-intelligence/sony-group-tech-can-identify-original-music-in-ai-generated-songs
Should Bach and Haydn be compensated ... (Score:3)
... for their contributions to Mozart and Beethoven?
Re:Should Bach and Haydn be compensated ... (Score:4, Funny)
Of course not, what a weird idea
Sony should be...
What about human-generated songs? (Score:5, Insightful)
Nothing is completely original, everything is influenced by things that came before. What happens if they run it on human-generated music? Do they expect Oasis to pay royalties to The Beatles because they are clearly an evolution of the earlier band's style?
Very much this. (Score:3)
I came here to make exactly this point, and with exactly the same example.
Could I be sued?
3 note riff? (Score:3)
So they can go after any song using any particular harmonies or riffs? Seriously to this is just going to be an excuse for blackmail.
so they trained their AI (Score:1)
On all the music that they also have no rites to?
Not how any of it works (Score:4)
Sony wants in on this here because they'd get to set the rules.
Within a decade every new band, with or without AI would be triggering a percentage derived number and paying royalties or, more likely, ceasing to exist.
Re: (Score:3)
More likely they want in on this because they are a content creator and do not want their IP leaked to AI-Bots without compensation. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
AI may have a use after all... (Score:3)
Perhaps the flurry of litigation for shit like this will make it obvious how little value the big music labels add to the industry with the advent of the ability for literally anyone to self publish with a very low barrier to entry (other than litigation from rent seekers like Sony Music).
Not how this works (Score:4)
No that is not how this works. This is an attempt to extort anyone using the 4/4 time signature because some fuzzy algorithm decided 4/4 was owned by the studios.
Re: (Score:2)
> No that is not how this works. This is an attempt to extort anyone using the 4/4 time signature because some fuzzy algorithm decided 4/4 was owned by the studios.
Talk about a statement that would give Rick Beato a stroke.
This is like a watchmaker stealing the number “7”, forcing every other watchmaker to simply skip that number when counting time. The Timey McTimeface response should be making everything from the ketchup commercial song to the porn theme song, in 4/4 time. Then relentlessly mock those trying to sue a planet for it.
"30% of the music used by the Beatles" (Score:2)
I wonder what Sony's tech makes of any track by The Rutles, or Bill Bailey's "Unisex Chip Shop" song (which I'd been reminded of only yesterday).
Can't wait (Score:3)
Can't wait for them to start applying that to real music too to increase the oh you used a few notes in the same order we did therefore we want all the money lawsuits.
How much Willie Dixon is Led Zeppelin? (Score:2)
Give it some human-generated music. When I listen to Black Sabbath, I am pretty sure I can hear some Cream, but I've long wondered what else?
Parent Company of Orchard Music Group says what? (Score:3)
Yeah... how many bogus copyright strikes has their underling doled out over the years to devour the incomes of YouTubers that otherwise had public domain music to use in their videos?
As much of a fan of Sony as I want to be, they can pound sand on this one.
Making their best effort to be creepy (Score:3)
One has to love how the same group of goons dressed up in business suits that gave us the world-famous [1]ROOTKIT [wikipedia.org] can proclaim themselves defenders of songwriters' rights when their beancounters will surely hatch up a scheme where their rent-seeking lawyers will demand a percentage of any such earning which they will claim to have earned because of them supplying the underlying technology that made the settlement possible.
Not to say anything of the endless amount of billable hours which will be generated by the quasi-infinite number of frivolous lawsuits potentially clogging up the courts. This is so dystopian, it hurts. Why? Because why stop at current releases for that matter, when this system can also be used to retroactively sue people for 'appropriating' material on music that was created in the past. And even worse, it could be used to selectively sue certain enemies, and give a pass to other friendly entities.
EARLY CANDIDATE FOR THE 2026 ENSHITTIFICATION AWARDS. ( you pick the category, but I'd suggest "Most Adversarial Use of AI")
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
Source code leaked! (Score:2)
The source code for their amazing technology has been leaked:
if content.isMusic() then {
content.containsCopyrightedMaterial = True
} else {
raise DontCareAboutCookingRecipesException
}
I mean come on, just about everything is a derivation of something else. This just makes it like youtube moderation where "the computer said it, so it must be true".
Enemies, with Benefits. (Score:2)
> Sony Group has developed a technology..making it possible for songwriters to seek compensation..
Thought I’d modify that first statement slightly so Sony can remember the original fucking plot.
The MAFIAA formerly known as Industry, is offering assistance with financial compensation now? How thoughtful. The concept might have actually saved a starving artist or two if it were this prioritized back when humans were making music.
Not even sure how to feel now. I’ll probably know when the music producer is replaced with AI.
Melancholy Elephants, by Spider Robinson (Score:3)
This needs to be killed, with prejudice.
[1]https://www.baen.com/chapters/W200011/0671319744___1.htm [baen.com]
[1] https://www.baen.com/chapters/W200011/0671319744___1.htm
How can they be sure? (Score:1)
(According to Gemini) Pop music frequently uses the same four chordsâ"the tonic (I), dominant (V), submediant (vi), and subdominant (IV)â"due to their pleasant, easily digestible, and familiar sound to Western listeners. The most common progression, , powers numerous hits because it provides stability, resolves easily, and allows for endless, catchy melodic variation.
Re: (Score:2)
Axis of Awesome is guilty of copyright infringement on a massive scale. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ
Pretty simple really (Score:2)
set $music = 1 $music | $sue The "test" will always find something that is somehow related to a song Sony owns rights to. Even if it is a single cord.
All your music are belong us (Score:2)
It will identify anything that rhymes or has a few notes the same as their property.
It Is Fun To Watch The Big-Boys Fight (Score:2)
I don't know witch side to root for. I hate them equally.
Whatâ(TM)s next? (Score:1, Insightful)
An artist says, âoeMy primary influences are The Beatles and Queenâ and they get a bill from Sony?
Re: (Score:2)
Shit works according to the laws that the representatives you sent in your legislature voted for.
Typically it is how many notes are there that are like the original or somesuch.
I vaguely recall the number was four, but I could be wrong.
Your tune matches this, court awards damages.
Re: (Score:2)
Also, this isn't how AI generation works anyways . You can certainly find bands that a particular song is most similar to (whether human or AI generated music), but AI models don't work by collaging random things together. The sound of a snare drum is based on all snare drums it has ever heard. The sound of a human voice is based on all voices it has ever heard. The particular genre might bias individual aspects toward certain directions (death metal - far more likely to activate circuits associated with