US Had Almost No Job Growth in 2025 (nbcnews.com)
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- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/26/02/11/1754240/us-had-almost-no-job-growth-in-2025
- Source link: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/january-jobs-revisions-trump-rcna258398
> The U.S. economy experienced [1]almost zero job growth in 2025 , according to revised federal data. On a more encouraging note: hiring has picked up in 2026. Preliminary data had indicated that the U.S. economy added 584,000 jobs last year. But the Bureau of Labor Statistics revised that number after it received additional state data, and found that the labor market had added 181,000 jobs in all of 2025. This is far fewer than the 1.46 million jobs that were added in 2024.
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> One bright spot was last month, when hiring increased by 130,000 roles. This was significantly more than the 55,000 additions that had been expected by economists. "Job gains occurred in health care, social assistance, and construction, while federal government and financial activities lost jobs," BLS said in a statement.
[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/january-jobs-revisions-trump-rcna258398
We put a pedophile in the White House (Score:2, Insightful)
no shit. Bad things are going to keep happening to you and your friends and family for the next 3 years.
If the TDS morons can briefly come to their senses and at least stay home (I don't have any faith in them voting blue) we might be able to stop the worst of it.
I don't think the old farts care though. They're old, in pain, angry, their kids don't visit and they wanna burn it all down.
And thanks to 25 years of low birth rates there aren't enough kids to save us. We boned.
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We have yet to reach the level of stove touching this nation requires. If anything I'm worried about the midterms in that the Democrats will be able to stop some of Trump's worst actions and his supporters will be allowed to move on yet again without suffering their justly deserved consequences.
Re: We put a pedophile in the White House (Score:1)
Wrong. If we let it slide then it doesn't end in 3 years. Possible never ends. This is the fundamental mistake that the majority of people are making right now.
And how many went to H1B? (Score:1, Insightful)
And how many of those jobs went to people who received H-1B visas They didn't actually need to be imported into the country, Well American engineers looked for work and couldn't find it because they were not of a legal status that allowed the company to treat them like slaves and underpaid them by as much as 30% per [1]https://www.teamblind.com/post... [teamblind.com]
[1] https://www.teamblind.com/post/harvard-economist-h1b-software-developers-earn-30-less-than-american-equivalents-lh7vi46h
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Employers hit the 65,000 cap in 2025.
Employers are legally required to hire Americans for American jobs before considering H1-B hires.
Looks like that didn't happen. Employers are breaking the law.
But sure, fuck that guy. For what? Stating the obvious? American engineers are getting screwed by American tech companies who can't stop hiring foreign workers in the middle of a jobs recession.
47% of new jobs to non-Americans (Score:5, Interesting)
The total H1-B hires were 65,000 plus the 20,000 for individuals with master's degrees.
That means 85,000 of the 181,000 new jobs last year went to foreign workers brought in by companies such as Amazon, Meta, Microsoft, and Google.
That's 47% of new jobs created in America in 2025 going to non-Americans.
But yeah, fuck us for bringing it up.
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And the total number of layoffs of American tech workers in 2022-2025 was in the hundreds of thousands.
Re:47% of new jobs to non-Americans (Score:4, Interesting)
Not necessarily. Many of those 85k jobs were likely replacing people who left, and thus presumably would not have counted in the 181,000 figure.
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Not sure where you got the idea that I'm a "small government type" from my comment. It's quite possible to be a progressive, liberal Democrat and criticize the H1-b program.
Also, I'm not sure how attacking me personally is any kind of relevant remark.
It's actually worse (Score:2)
H1B is just one of many programs for bringing in foreign workers. It's the one everyone thinks about because it's being so obviously abused but there's plenty more where that comes from. In total we hand out a million green cards a year on top of all the temporary work visas.
I know the Republican party is not really going to do anything to help me but it doesn't help when the Democrats aren't doing anything either. At least the Republicans have the common courtesy to lie to me. Democrats haven't lied to
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> Seriously try to come up with all obvious lie that a Democrat told and you won't find it.
"This is the best Joe Biden ever"
"The border is secure"
"Inflation is transient"
??
Shall I go on? I mean, Democrats don't have a monopoly on telling lies, but they don't not tell lies.
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At least 200 for Mar a Lago. [1]https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
They can't hire red blooded MAGA workers to pick weeds and serve well done steaks?
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/13/trump-organization-foreign-workers-visas
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Those are H1 A visas, which goes to seasonal workers, who work during the peak season, and then go back to their home countries when the season is over
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My point still stands. Why are they not hiring citizens?
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> Those are H1A visas, which goes to seasonal workers, who work during the peak season, and then go back to their home countries when the season is over
Most of his hires don't look seasonal:
"the Trump Organization sought to bring in at least 184 foreign workers in 2025 for temporary positions at the US president’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, two golf clubs and his Virginia winery. The number of applications for H-2A and H-2B visas covering temporary workers including servers, clerks, housekeepers
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Far fewer after October 1 when you basically needed to pay an extra full year's salary to hire an H-1b over a citizen.
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More precisely, $100,000. Which would be more than a full year's salary for many, if not most, H1B workers
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> And how many of those jobs went to people who received H-1B visas They didn't actually need to be imported into the country, Well American engineers looked for work and couldn't find it because they were not of a legal status that allowed the company to treat them like slaves and underpaid them by as much as 30% per [1]https://www.teamblind.com/post... [teamblind.com]
H1B hiring has dried up, since for any new H1Bs, a company has to pay $100,000, which few companies are willing to do: it makes more sense to set up shop in the countries of those employees, which is what we're seeing w/ Google and other companies expanding in India. Only in the case of H1B transfers or renewals do they not have to do it
I also don't agree w/ you that offshoring jobs is the equivalent of hiring H1Bs. A company has free agency to make its own decisions, which are not necessarily the same
[1] https://www.teamblind.com/post/harvard-economist-h1b-software-developers-earn-30-less-than-american-equivalents-lh7vi46h
Whoops we made a tiny 320% overstatement! (Score:1)
> One bright spot was last month, when hiring increased by 130,000 roles. This was significantly more than the 55,000 additions that had been expected by economists.
Bet: in six months the BLS will "revise" this figure down to ~55k, at the same time they announce the chocolate ration will be reduced from thirty grams to twenty.
Why is the media still treating this horseshit propaganda like it remotely reflects reality?
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I suspect there will be some weasel wording around "gross" versus "net". A lot of people I know are getting laid off while their companies continue hiring. It's not even a shift in resources or skillsets, it's a true revolving door.
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> Why is the media still treating this horseshit propaganda like it remotely reflects reality?
Take a look at who owns the media.
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It's not a joke. It is a line from 1984 that is intended to show how completely the populace accepts the doublespeak from the government.
“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be REDUCED to twenty grammes a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”
-- Geor
Re: Whoops we made a tiny 320% overstatement! (Score:2)
Bingo
According to the BLS report the margin of error for the 130,000 jobs in Jan is +/- 127,000
How bad is the report? (Score:2)
"Still, Wednesday’s report also shows that not nearly as many jobs were added in 2025 as thought and last year will go down as the worst year for hiring since 2020, or since 2003 outside of a recession."
Furthermore, most of the jobs added last month were in health care and social assistance which are generally regarded as less susceptible to economic cycles.
The question is whether this is simply reflective of the trough of an economic cycle or more fundamental, lasting shifts due to tariffs, geopoliti
This is "News for Nerds" how? (Score:1)
slow day at the firehose I guess....
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Yeah, bizarre things now qualify as "news for nerds" these days
Yes (Score:2)
It's for political nerds.
The Veil of Maya (Score:2)
"Preliminary data had indicated that the U.S. economy added 584,000 jobs last year. But the Bureau of Labor Statistics revised that number after it received additional state data, and found that the labor market had added 181,000 jobs in all of 2025. [...] One bright spot was last month, when hiring increased by 130,000 roles."
Okay, but how "preliminary" will the data for last month turn out to be?
They say the point of the liarocracy is not to make people believe lies. (Though many seem to anyway!) The poi
Trustworthy? (Score:5, Interesting)
How much trust can you have in any data coming out of the current USA government these days?
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None. Not now, and not ever. The economic numbers are always cooked, and the people doing the cooking never have your interests in mind.
Imagine honestly believing inflation has only been 3 or 4% per year for the past 15 years.
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It really depends on what you're buying. Also, 15 years of 3.5% compound interest is not negligible.
Re:Trustworthy? (Score:4, Interesting)
> Imagine honestly believing inflation has only been 3 or 4% per year for the past 15 years.
Average? Yeah, probably.
Description: 2010 / projected 2025 at 4% per year / actual 2025):
New house: 221,900 / 399,621 / 498,000 (higher)
Median rent: 1,083 / 1950 / 1703 (lower)
New car: 24,296 / 43,755 / 50,326 (higher)
Base iPhone model: 599 / 1078 / 799 (lower)
Gallon of milk: 3.25 / 5.85 / 4.42 (lower)
So a few things that people buy infrequently went up way faster than inflation, while things that you buy far more often tended to go up way more slowly than inflation.
You're cherry picking (Score:2)
You picked milk because milk's prices artificially high. We produce so much of it we just dump it out a lot of the time in order to keep the price where it is.
Meanwhile your glossing over housing and rent as if those are things people buy infrequently. Yeah you make a home purchase once or twice in your life but you're paying on it for 20 or 30 years. You also left healthcare out which has skyrocketed in price.
It's the classic basket of goods trick where you only include things that make the numbers
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Well, what's your evidence about inflation? The CPI iterally is just looking at the prices on a particular basket of goods. That's it, it's not some magic secret formula, it's all published data. The only reason Biden was able to be attacked for inflation was the BLS under his own admin published the numbers, do you believe inflation was only 2% in 2021 instead of like 10? I mean "they" are always lying right?
So, what's the evidence?
we're down about a (Score:2)
quarter million workers because our society voted for a brutal immigration crackdown. Our unemployment is actually pretty low. So, no, most of those jobs were not taken up by unemployed red-blooded, god-fearing flag--waving Americans, because there just weren't that many unemployed Americans to start with. For the most part, those deportations and self-deportations became job losses because businesses were forced to reduced their headcount.
I can't really blame the current guy for this one. "We the peo
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While I agree (dogmatically), there are signs around where I am living of workforce expansion. I can't tell if it is more people picking up second jobs, working extra hours, or something else, but I notice restaurants expanding hours, construction companies running full crews, and more professional landscape crews around.
I can't tell if the economy has picked up to match-- my Costco bill is still up 50% a month, and there aren't obvious signs that people feel like they have more disposable income. Time wi
lol (Score:2)
> One bright spot was last month, when hiring increased by 130,000 roles
as if that won't be revised later also
Winning (Score:1)
Getting difficult to deal with all this winning.
Need more destruction (Score:2)
> One bright spot .. Job gains occurred in health care, social assistance, and construction
This just goes to show: we need more terrorism and hurricanes, so that the resulting injuries and destruction can further brighten the spots of health care and construction labor.
If you're a patriotic American, then please do your part to increase GDP and employment, by breaking a window today! And if the glass shards hurt someone, so much the better. Economic growth is economic growth!
MAGA cult says (Score:1)
Zero job growth is good for the economy