So the logic that I've heard by someone who sounded reasonably intelligent (ie: not MAGA) is that Social Security has a hard limit on the payout side. To offset the fact that there is a payout limit, they also limit the amount of income that is brought into it. Reasonable people can argue if that should have been the case or not, but it's a decent justification of the income limit.

Remember SS was never designed to be another tax. It was meant to be a taxpayer funded safety net with very strictly defined

My understanding is that was the original intent, but congress stole all the money and turned Social Security into a Ponzi scheme.

There are always special interest groups who are highly concerned about various government policies and actions. That's normal.

The drama I'm talking about here is dragging the entire country to the verge of a civil war, all while failing even to match Obama's performance on this key MAGA goal.

Yes, people did give a shit when Democrats were in office, and in fact protested about it. However, one HUGE difference is that the Obama administration had no policy of family separation. 5-year-olds were not rounded up alone or used as bait for their parents. Family detention was used when families came as groups to the border- the Obama administration wasn't snatching kids off the streets of American cities.

Were CITIZENS being assaulted by immigration while Obama was in office? How about citizens being assaulted by ICE? You fail to understand the backlash against what is going on, where the US Constitution is being ignored. EVERYONE has protection against illegal search and seizure in this country, that means citizens, legal residents, and even illegal residents of this country. If they have an actual warrant, then that is one thing, but ICE doesn't get a warrant, they break into the homes of citizens

> The only way for democrats to win this is to get out ahead of it, promise to keep deporting people but in a humane way, and then actually carry through on it. I don't personally believe they're capable, but I pray that they are. Otherwise it's going to be more of this every 4 years.

I'm with you on most of your post but that sounds like what the Democrats were already doing and that wasn't solving the problem.

What we need is proper reform of our immigration laws, especially on the employer end. Illegal immigrants come here for work, if there's no one willing or able to hire them then their numbers will be radically reduced to levels where the problem won't really matter.

The brown shirts were at least man enough to show their faces. I guarantee all these masked gang members were screaming about not being able to breathe when Target asked them to wear a mask while shopping.

> OP is referring to them as brown shirts because they're being used for intimidation, amassing in blue cities like Minneapolis instead of red states that actually need and want immigration enforcement. They also break laws, violate the constitution and kill people, then lie afterward to cover it up.

> The issue for most people isn't immigration enforcement, but how it's being done.

Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit. ICE is operating nationwide. The problems in blue cities like Minneapolis are caused by their policies and their incitement of violence. Everywhere else ICE gets the cooperation of law enforcement and just uneventfully picks people up.

> OP is referring to them as brown shirts because they're being used for intimidation, amassing in blue cities like Minneapolis instead of red states that actually need and want immigration enforcement.

The reason there are so many federal agents massing in "blue cities" is because the criminal illegal immigrants (a distinct sub group of illegal immigrants, who are themselves a distinct subgroup of all immigrants) in the "blue cities" are released onto the street by "blue city" police because "blue city" politicians tell them to, and refusing to hand them over to ICE at the prisons and jails they are in (a controlled hand-off). So, to collect a rapist, spouse abuser, etc ICE has to roll into a neighborhood and pick them up at home. Instead of requiring two ICE officers for a controlled hand-off, it can take a dozen or more to secure the location AND do crowd control when all the "blue city" residents show up and protest removing the criminal illegal immigrant.

Conversely, "red states" participate in controlled hand-offs so there is no need for a dozen or so agents to roll into a neighborhood to pick up a convicted rapist, etc.

Oh, and when ICE agents enter a room to capture a wanted criminal illegal alien, their SOP is to determine the immigration/citizenship status of everyone in the room, removing anyone illegally in the country from the room as well.

As for the "shooting of U.S. citizens", the two deaths we know of prove that it is very dangerous to lay hands on a federal agent while arresting someone (esp, but not only, when you are carrying a loaded gun) OR to not put yourself in a situation where you hit a federal officer with your car. Those are the reasons two U.S. citizens were shot.

H, and for completeness, the 5 year-old boy wasn't used as bait to capture his dad, he was with his dad when ICE went to capture him, his dad ran away, abandoning his son in front of ICE agents, and because democrats have whipped the immigrant community into such a frenzy the boys own mother refused to open the door to let him in his own home. ICE asked the father what to do, he (the father) REQUESTED to keep the 5 year-old with him in detention... To the father that was preferable to Child Protective Services, and the boys own mother refused to reclaim her 5 year-old from the agents.