Microsoft Weighs Retreat From Windows 11 AI Push, Reviews Copilot Integrations and Recall (windowscentral.com)
- Reference: 0180722024
- News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/26/02/02/1826219/microsoft-weighs-retreat-from-windows-11-ai-push-reviews-copilot-integrations-and-recall
- Source link: https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/microsoft-is-reevaluating-its-ai-efforts-on-windows-11-plans-to-reduce-copilot-integrations-and-evolve-recall
Copilot features in apps like Notepad and Paint are under review and could be pulled entirely or stripped of their Copilot branding in favor of a more streamlined experience. The company has paused work on adding new Copilot buttons to any other in-box apps. Windows Recall, the screenshot-based search feature delayed by an entire year in 2024 over security and privacy concerns, is separately under review -- Microsoft internally considers the current implementation a failure and is exploring ways to rework or rename the feature rather than scrap it entirely, the report said.
[1] https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/microsoft-is-reevaluating-its-ai-efforts-on-windows-11-plans-to-reduce-copilot-integrations-and-evolve-recall
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Fuck that RIP shit. Windows deserves to suffer tenfold what it put humanity through. That's like saying, RIP Trump or Putin or Barbra Streisand. It's just not happening.
It's utter shite (Score:5, Insightful)
Every office app now has constant popups with copilot offering to 'improve' things, and the suggestions are all bad. And on top of that, Microsoft has disabled the option to remove the Copilot integration - which used to be as simple as a click of a checkbox. They suck, continue to suck, and will always continue to suck. They've totally lost the plot of making useful software, and are just enshittifying every bit of their IP.
Weigh this M$ (Score:3)
I spend plenty of time making sure Microslop bloat doesn't spy on my users. I have to do this since they constantly reinstall their bloat on user accounts when they log in. I'm to the point I'm disabling it in the registry on every machine when people log in. I have had to disable the microsoft store. Since the store installs apps that need local admin without asking for local admin. Its a shitshow and the reason why all microslop installs at my house enjoy the Untrusted vlan with the heaviest filtering.
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I think microslop puts a lot of weight on its reputation, but utterly fail to realize its reputation is shit. Its a classic bubble situation. I have a friend who works there and I just can't bring myself to dump on microslop with them because I'm sure they care about their work and they seem to like the company.
But microsoft's reputation is horrid. They can't be trusted, their software constantly lies to your face. Anyone who has had to work in-depth with windows knows this.
Now with their gamble on ai faili
I Left Windows as Daily Driver Because of AI (Score:5, Interesting)
Both the apparent AI, but also the installation of Recall means that I cannot have Windows on my machines, which have intellectual property.
Re:I Left Windows as Daily Driver Because of AI (Score:4, Insightful)
I've got the same problem. After ~4 decades, I'm looking for a new OS.
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May I recommend Linux Mint?
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After using it for years I had problems with Linux Mint - I remember not being able to use gscan2pdf.
I've left the old desktop PC with Mint installed, too much trouble to start afresh after spending a fair amount of time setting it up. Running Debian Trixie on my Framework 13 and an old Toshiba Satellite which work perfectly including gscan2pdf. I'm also gradually learning to get Debian set up as a better mail server than I currently run. rspamd is next on the learning curve.
So, there you are, I recommend D
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Zorin is supposed to be Windows-like.
Mint Cinnamon is easy to use and sort of like what I remember Windows 7 to be like. That's what I use now.
Hedging bets on different VMs (Score:2)
AI is there on a lot of things. Which is why, for my next computer, I'm planning to have a hypervisor that supports the VMs I need - FreeBSD, Kali Linux, Windows 7 and macOS Mojave (for an iPod that still works), as well as some retro and niche OSs, such as OS/2 or ArcaOS, KolibriOS. I might even have OpenBSD there for the firewall and router functions. Also, given that some of these OSs are no longer supported, they won't all have internet connections, or even IP addresses
They Won't (Score:4, Insightful)
This is just bullshit to pacify the naysayers.
There's no way they'll turn around and pull features that they just launched and marketed.
Maybe they'll cut the marketing. Maybe they'll stop their push, although I doubt it. But, there's no way they are rolling anything back in Windows 11.
Maybe they'll pull it form Windows 12,but, even then, I doubt it.
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> This is just bullshit to pacify the naysayers.
> There's no way they'll turn around and pull features that they just launched and marketed.
For sure. It seemed like they were pretty careful to say that the copilot "branding" is being removed. It doesn't sound like they're changing the functionality of anything.
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> This is just bullshit to pacify the naysayers.
> There's no way they'll turn around and pull features that they just launched and marketed.
> Maybe they'll cut the marketing. Maybe they'll stop their push, although I doubt it. But, there's no way they are rolling anything back in Windows 11.
> Maybe they'll pull it form Windows 12,but, even then, I doubt it.
They're going to "rework" Recall. That right there tells you they aren't really going to stop the egregious shit. They're just going to try to shove it a little further undercover, and hope people won't notice it. User backlash to them just says, "hide this better." It doesn't say, "Stop doing this." And that's the systemic problem with Microsoft. They're going to do what they do, regardless. They just won't be bragging about it as much.
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> This is just bullshit to pacify the naysayers.
> There's no way they'll turn around and pull features that they just launched and marketed.
They will if they want to keep the money rolling in from corporate site licenses, especially if those sites are doing government contracting or deal with PII, PHI, or other sensitive information like that.
Dead weight (Score:3)
There's some dead weight named Nadella at Microsoft. Retreating from that would probably help.
Let the powertoys team take over the ui (Score:4, Insightful)
It's about the only good thing that Windows has these days, 11 is an agile vibe driven mess and whoever thought that the os should ask you questions about your user experience every time you launch a new app needs fired into the sea
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I'd go further and say PowerToys should be baked in instead of needing added, too.
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I can't wait to use Windows never. But lately I've been interacting with my phone more (android) (people keep bothering me to do stuff) and I'm shocked at how bad the interface is, even for mobile.
Oh No! Not this time! (Score:3)
Oh No! Not this time! We all had prepared for a proper major failure like Zune, Kin or Bob. And Cortana, of course.
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They have to fire a bunch of executives to do that. They're running out of tech gods to believe in.
Let's not over-ReactOS (Score:2)
"It's been a quarter-century. Does ReactOS work yet?"
"No. It still hasn't achieved parity with Windows XP."
"Hm... I'm thinking it's still better than this."
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Time to start a new project, this time targeting only Windows 7 features, compatibility and functionality. For revenue once it's complete, it can use a subscription model for a Windows Defender type of utility, where the user may pay something if s/he wishes to receive antimalware updates
There is a project called LOSS32, which has the Win32 API running on top of Linux. That would be fascinating to see - whether such a system can actually run applications written for Windows.
TRANSLATION (Score:4, Insightful)
TRANSLATION: "No one wants this bullshit no matter how hard we push it!"
I have an idea (Score:4, Insightful)
How about before adding Copilot to FUCKING NOTEPAD, maybe take a user survey to ask if anyone wants that. That would have saved a lot of money. Companies are freaking out over privacy concerns and users want less crap on the screen and popping up. Nobody wanted this.
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They probably focus-group every design decision the way a lot of product/design people do. Instead of actually having good designs they rely on process and feedback instead of creativity/experience/knowledge/common sense. The metric for quality is the reactions of the same group of people who keep coming in for Starbucks vouchers for spending an hour answering softball questions about this horrible OS.
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I wonder if they were to ask a group of people who actually work with windows a lot, especially whatever part of it they want to change they'll just always get "FUCK OFF WITH THAT SHIT" from the focus-group, so they've decided to just stop listening.
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Yeah, and that too a year after quietly removing WordPad. They could have left Notepad alone, and added tabs and whatever extra features they wanted, like tables - into WordPad. Also, for Paint, instead of adding AI to it, they could have added tabs here , since one use of Paint that I do is combining/cascading images, where the multiple tabs would have been handy
Local users setup (Score:3)
While they are at it restore the standard ways of creating a local user at initial setup. Almost no one wants to be forced into creating a MS account just to use there computer.
remember: (Score:2)
microsoft doesn't care about creating software which does what users want it to do; microsoft only cares about maximizing shareholder returns. The AI won't be going away.
So close (Score:2)
> Microsoft Weighs Retreat From Windows 11 ...
If only they had stopped at this ...
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I believe that both Microsoft and Nadella got greatly stung by all the Microslop jokes going around, and decided to reverse course. Whatever the reason, it's a good thing they did
Also, since Azure is now their top revenue earner, they should this time indeed make Windows 12 the final version of Windows, and after that, only do security updates via Windows Defender and Sentinel. Here are some suggestions:
- Restore the basic applications that they had, like WordPad, Notepad and Paint, w/o the AI or the
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Its not done yet, keep up the pressure to show MS that all we want is an OS that functions as an OS, not FORCED integration of functionality that doesnt play into the functions of an OS.