Backseat Software (mikeswanson.com)
- Reference: 0180697972
- News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/26/01/30/1128238/backseat-software
- Source link: https://blog.mikeswanson.com/backseat-software/
> What if your car worked like so many apps? You're driving somewhere important...maybe running a little bit late. A few minutes into the drive, your car pulls over to the side of the road and asks:
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> "How are you enjoying your drive so far?"
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> Annoyed by the interruption, and even more behind schedule, you dismiss the prompt and merge back into traffic.
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> A minute later it does it again.
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> "Did you know I have a new feature? Tap here to learn more."
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> It blocks your speedometer with an overlay tutorial about the turn signal. It highlights the wiper controls and refuses to go away until you demonstrate mastery.
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> Ridiculous, of course.
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> And yet, this is how a lot of modern software behaves. Not because it's broken, but because we've normalized an interruption model that would be unacceptable almost anywhere else.
[1] https://blog.mikeswanson.com/backseat-software/
Where's the Beef? (Score:1)
Was there supposed to be a link in this "news story", or is /. doing short form op-eds now?
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You won't, it doesn't suit your politics.
But no one cares whether you care about someone's editorial, the content was posted for its merit. Not that you understand merit.
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In that case, msmash could have just posted it himself, instead of just citing the blog of somebody nobody here has ever heard of. Maybe recast as an "Ask Slashdot" feature
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if you didn’t care, then why comment?
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You beat me to it. Not sure why you were modded down
Yes. It's software written for children by childre (Score:3, Insightful)
Serious software written by serious people for serious use is often in-house work and rarely has marketshare beyond the developers and their immediate target audience within a single organization. Sometimes it's OSS'd but often it isn't even marketed outside the organization it's created in.
As such it is crowded out by software written for the hoi polloi by businesses whose model depends less on functionality and more on not getting a reputation as too hard or too geeky for broad appeal.
Often enough it gets so big and bloated with occasionally useful features it displaces the aforementioned useful software, on the grounds that in house stuff is expensive so let's just pay someone else to worry about it.
This is one of the reasons it takes me about 5 minutes to log into a conference room computer at work, and why I have to click through a half dozen signin screens to get to my slide deck every single time.
I'd say the days of overhead projectors and vuegraphs were better, but I'm just old enough to remember the smell of transparencies going through a laser printer to not actually make that claim.
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I don't think I'd insult children that way. Children would at least start from a blank slate, and they wouldn't be "burdened" w/ preserving compatibility w/ something that already exists. At least no one would expect that from them
No, we haven't normalised it. (Score:3)
We just have absolutely no power to change it.
It's bestowed upon us by greedy bastards who want to sell us worthless things against our will and who know that the only way to make us pay up for all the ridiculous subscriptions and features is bully us into compliance.
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In some ways people normalized it.
How was it in the past? You got the program, you got its manual (whether paper or a file) and then you read the manual if you cant find some function. Try to do this with apps - users would likely complain that it's inconvenient, they don't understand how to use the program and that having to read instructions is unacceptable.
Then you get shit like the constant interruptions. After all, people love being interrupted - that's why various sites have notifications and why peop
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> In some ways people normalized it.
After a fashion yes. For instance, wife spends a lot of time on Youtube. I have a sub, and don't get any, but she says she doesn't want one. I utterly hate the ads. She apparently doesn't mind them. Weird thing - she is hella more impatient than me.
I quess a lot of people think that the intrusions are just part of using teh intertoobz.
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> We just have absolutely no power to change it.
> It's bestowed upon us by greedy bastards who want to sell us worthless things against our will and who know that the only way to make us pay up for all the ridiculous subscriptions and features is bully us into compliance.
Since when are we helpless?
In the process of battening down my computer, I've eliminated almost all that bullshit. I did get pissed off at it in the past, because the constant stream interrupts my mental workflow.
I hope you were making a joke.
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> We just have absolutely no power to change it.
> It's bestowed upon us by greedy bastards who want to sell us worthless things against our will and who know that the only way to make us pay up for all the ridiculous subscriptions and features is bully us into compliance.
Food. Clothing. Shelter.
A large enough Recession has a rather in-your-fucking-face kind of way of reminding the pimps slinging worthless things just how worthless their entire business existence can become. Rather quickly.
At the end of the day, humans have an actual need for none of the stupid shit. Probably why most pimps try and sling addiction with their worthless crap. It's one of the only ways to keep revenue hanging on.
use less software (Score:4, Insightful)
I know it's an unpopular opinion, but.. why are we so willing to enter into dependency on software, clouds, and suppliers?
Convenience is killing us. Truthfully, we are lazy and when a shortcut is offered, we take it. Makes sense, right?
Only up until the point of total dependency.
Once you've been trained to think within the idioms of Apple, Microsoft, etc, you can't even imagine alternatives. Sad.
Good for making $$, bad for society.
Useful Alert (Score:5, Insightful)
It sounds like you're using proprietary software in an era of late-stage capitalism. Would you like me to help you find open source alternatives that leave you the hell alone while you work?
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Exactly! Open Source software, while not doing everything paid software does, is usually designed mainly to do the actual task at hand, and not tie you into some proprietary business model based on subscription or worse :(
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Yeah find me the open source equivalent of SolidWorks
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It's still nowhere close to SolidWorks, but FreeCAD has come a *long* way in the last few years. It may not be suitable for an engineer, but most of the scientists I work with who just need to occasionally draw up a relatively simple part for the machinist or 3D printer have switched.
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> It sounds like you're using proprietary software in an era of late-stage capitalism. Would you like me to help you find open source alternatives that leave you the hell alone while you work?
First thing is you have to seize the means of production, and allow the proletariat to rise in an ongoing revolution toward a brave new future.
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That is already done. anyone can write software.
The real problem with this idiot is thinking we are in late stage capitalism, rather than recognizing that the United States is in early state plutocracy.
We have allowed people claiming to be capitalists to negate the free market and instead put multiple anti-capitalist features into the economy, including, but not limited to:
1) Tariffs. (I still can't believe we are doing this old, weak crap)
2) Anti-ownership rules put into contracts (no repair, right to br
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> That is already done. anyone can write software.
> The real problem with this idiot is thinking we are in late stage capitalism, rather than recognizing that the United States is in early state plutocracy.
> We have allowed people claiming to be capitalists to negate the free market and instead put multiple anti-capitalist features into the economy, including, but not limited to:
> 1) Tariffs. (I still can't believe we are doing this old, weak crap) 2) Anti-ownership rules put into contracts (no repair, right to brick, etc.) 3) Monopolies
One huge scam pulled on people is people claiming to be capitalists, or free marketeers.
When applied without restraint both systems fail quickly. As soon as one gtoup rises to the top, the last thing they want is a free market. Same with capitalism. Some amount of restraint is necessary to keep either in bounds.
The people who make the most, don't want to share it. The top "capitalists" want all the other's capital, a system based on greed can work if we keep the pathological greedy from wrecking it.
Douglas Adams was a visionary!!! (Score:1)
The Sirius Cybernetics Corporation Happy Vertical People Transporters were talkative elevators (lifts) in the offices of Hitchhiker's Guide... and they were afraid of heights.
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"If you have enjoyed this product, why not share it with your friends?"
"Because I wish to keep them."
Translation: I cannot use my device (Score:2)
Whenever I install new app on my tablet or phone, one of the first things that happens on first startup is request by the OS "Do you want to allow this app to send you notifications". By default I say no, unless it's specifically a messaging app.
Windows also has this for notifications in system tray.
So does at least KDE for Linux desktop environments.
You can also change these settings later if you first give the permission and then start getting too many notifications.
I know that when I installed Booking.co
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Way to not understand the story at all --this isn't about notifications to some tray or whatever, this is about microsoft teams (or similar proprietary software) popping up a big modal window in front of whatever you're trying to do.
Dipshit managers (Score:2)
Some slimy sales manager, which I liken to a Soviet "Political Officer" character in a mid-80s cheesy novel, said, "What if we did $this during normal operation, so we could insert some ads and 'improve' the 'user experience'?" Meanwhile, the actual developers are like, "WTF? Who would want that?" But the Political Officer has a higher rank, and the CEO listens to him more, so users are left with a shitified experience.
Fk these managers. Every last one of them.
Only crazy if it doesn't work (Score:3)
> we've normalized an interruption model that would be unacceptable almost anywhere else
It has been 'normalized' because it works. You may hate it, users may hate it...but enough people do give their email address any time someone asks for it, and enough people do activate new, paid features because they were prompted to do so, and enough people do start using new features that they didn't know were available because they were pushed in front of them, which makes these practices profitable and a routine way of doing business. It's psychology and you can either have your product fit psychology or you can go out of business.
You may hate it, but most of the world prefers to download freemium software and buy 'coins' and 'access' as they go, rather than pay $89.99 one-time and have all the features ready instantly, even if that means they eventually spend much more than $90 in total.
That's human psychology and while it works for the majority, many of us in the minority can hate it but there's little we can do about it.
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> You may hate it, but most of the world prefers to download freemium software and buy 'coins' and 'access' as they go, rather than pay $89.99 one-time and have all the features ready instantly, even if that means they eventually spend much more than $90 in total. That's human psychology and while it works for the majority, many of us in the minority can hate it but there's little we can do about it.
It can be done. We can batten things down pretty well. Most people here should be astute enough to do the work to eliminate most of it.
I hate the intrusions with a passion - I mean I come close to a temper tantrum, because it interrupts my mental workflow.
I do think you are right that most people don't care. I sure do.
great post (Score:1)
props to this post. totally true!
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Android Auto, or Apple CarPlay, is something voluntary . If you don't connect your phone to the car, Android Auto doesn't arise, and even if it does, one has the option of turning it off and just using whatever is there on the car navigation screen. I'm not sure whether Android Auto or CarPlay works if there's only a Bluetooth connection b/w the phone and the navigation screen: I suspect there isn't
This story is more about things that get shoved in one's face if one is working. Not actual features that
We joke (Score:5, Funny)
We joke about this happening to cars of course but it car manufacturers thought they could get away with it we'd be bombarded with the same kind of enshitification in vehicles. They're already trying in car advertising on for size, it won't be long before "we've noticed you're near a Turd Burgers, stop in for a double colon blocker now, we will automatically redirect your navigation in 3... 2... 1..."
Of course the part of me that enjoys driving will say that cars have been on the enshitification track for years. Automatic transmissions, soft suspension, computerisation, drivers aids with their useless bings, bongs and warbles, SUVs, cars getting bigger and lardier with each iteration. It's hard to find a drivers car these days, a nice, simple, RWD, lightweight 6sp manual (they don't even need to be that powerful, my 140 HP MR2 never failed to put a smile on my face). Kids these days have no idea of the unadulterated joy of nailing the perfect gear change (You are welcome on my lawn, just don't make a mess, K, I can still remember being young).
Notifications (Score:2)
This is why whenever I install software on my phone, I immediately disable notifications from it. I'm not interested to know that I can get five gold stars if I play 10 more levels of a game! STFU!
Blocks (Score:2)
"It blocks your speedometer"
My vehicle already does this with a giant box that tells me I have my seatbelt on (I know I'm the one who just put it on). I have to click Ok on the steering wheel to get to go away. The computer requires a lot of excessive interaction when I'm driving, it's unbelievable really.
feels like this web site (Score:2)
all the intrusive ads and overlays. “me! me! me! look at me!!!”
Expected... (Score:2)
All enshittified services now beg for engagement, to make lines go up for investor. This is just the typical progression that one would expect, as our society approaches one or more episodes of Black Mirror.
We have forced companies to do this (Score:2)
Here's what happens if they don't nag you to rate their app.
If left to their own devices, only the complainers will bother to rate apps. The only way to counteract this tendency, is to regularly ask people to rate your app. It's the app-maker's way to drown out the negative reviews with positive ones.
My company just went through this, their app ratings were like 1 or 1.5 stars. When they added the nag messages to rate the app, the ratings immediately went up to 4.5 or so.
So like it or not, we drove the app
Unblocked and blocker (Score:2)
I use an ad blocker on my browser. Seemingly every few days it pops up it's own interruption telling me how many ads it has blocked and begs for money.
Do the creators really not understand?
Ok and? (Score:1)
This is news? What do I do with this information? Did something change? Are you selling something? So fucking confused.
Re:Ok and? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's saying that software and the web in general have slowly become a shit experience and it's now normalized. Examining this and calling it out could help improve things. My personal peeve is a website putting up a javascript overlay asking to join their mailing list.
Re:Ok and? (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm pretty annoyed by the 365 admin portal deciding I need to be interrupted by tutorials. Given how many different tenants I have to manage, and that I do it with standard and JIT admin accounts, I see those damn things all the damn time.
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I hate those. I'm a consultant and I'm in Azure and 365 portals for various companies all the time. I swear it's partially responsible for my high bloodpressure. And whoever at MS decided to push out that change the defaults everyone to collapsed navigation menus in Azure needs to be tied to a post and whipped.
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Yes, Microsoft is the worst offender here by a long way. Every other time I launch Teams or so (not just open the window, but launch the application) it advertises some feature to me I don't want to use. Stop trying to distract me FFS.
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And on every new machine I install I have to answer a bunch of dumb questions when I start Edge.
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Right, but put that on your facebook feed or something. I think everyone who reads this site already knows this and it's not news. Just rambling.
Default Behavior, Fucked Choice. (Score:2)
> It's saying that software and the web in general have slowly become a shit experience and it's now normalized. Examining this and calling it out could help improve things. My personal peeve is a website putting up a javascript overlay asking to join their mailing list.
When megacorps pay billions to secure the default setting, it says a lot to the 5% of us completely pissed off at the enshittification of the internet vs. the 95% of those too fucking lazy to even change the default settings.
Your personal pet peeves and mine, do not stand a fucking chance anymore. Rant away. Won’t do a damn thing.
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I long for October so damned much.
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> My personal peeve is a website putting up a javascript overlay asking to join their mailing list.
That's why NoScript is so nice. I only whitelist Javascript on a few websites like my bank or temporarily when I'm ordering something. Makes the interwebs much more tolerable.
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I'll help. Creating outrage and anger so that we can "engage" is also a new-ish business model.
Editors here are just doing their job so that we "engage".
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Maybe it's just here as something we can all get together and have fun complaining about?
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> This is news? What do I do with this information? Did something change? Are you selling something? So fucking confused.
It's not news, but it's an annoying trend that is increasingly noticed, and therefore worth discussing. You don't have to if you're not interested
The very next story touches on this - talking about Microsoft adding a Menu bar to the top of Windows. Something that totally breaks 30 years of Windows workflow that users are used to
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I have a copy of Windows XP.