Microsoft CEO: Time To Move 'Beyond the Arguments of Slop vs Sophistication' (snscratchpad.com)
- Reference: 0180503435
- News link: https://slashdot.org/story/26/01/02/1851202/microsoft-ceo-time-to-move-beyond-the-arguments-of-slop-vs-sophistication
- Source link: https://snscratchpad.com/posts/looking-ahead-2026/
"We will evolve from models to systems when it comes to deploying AI for real world impact," Nadella writes, adding that these systems must consider their societal impact on people and the planet. "For AI to have societal permission it must have real world eval impact."
[1] https://snscratchpad.com/posts/looking-ahead-2026/
Everyone that isn't a member of the ruling class (Score:4, Informative)
Absolutely despises AI. It is devouring electronics and electricity and water and jobs and we all know it.
It's not a disruptive technology like the Internet it's a destructive technology. There are no benefits to it for anyone except the billionaires that are going to own it. It does free them from the chains of capitalism. With it there are no longer dependent on consumers or employees. They can truly have their cake and eat it too.
The problem is there is no place for us in that world. We don't even get to be peasants.
If you're reading this you are not one of the engineers that is going to be allowed to have food and shelter. You are one of the serfs. If you are one of the engineers you would be too busy to be wasting your time on this website
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What prompt do you use to get ChatGPT to produce that output? "Write in the style of rsilvergun on Slashdot" or something like that? I'm surprised it's that granular.
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He isn't using AI at all. He is simply reposting verbatim rsilvergun comments without the links. Everything was really said by rsilvergun.
Of course, rsilvergun is such a nutbar that it sounds just like AI crap although...
Proof:
without links:
[1]https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]
with links:
[2]https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]
[1] https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23881119&cid=65893111
[2] https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23882395&cid=65896981
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rsilvergun is craving so much for attention, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was the one behind it all...
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> There are no benefits to it for anyone except the billionaires that are going to own it.
This is actually incredibly wrong and naive. The LLM technology DOES have utility and I personally get incredible use out of them as coding assistants in particular. The problem with the technology is that the people financially invested in it have become high on their own supply of hype. They really do want it to be a do everything job killer and they are leveraging trillions to do so. Unfortunately for all of us, this will never work because the LLM technology is not capable of it and never will be.
Bu
Re:Everyone that isn't a member of the ruling clas (Score:5, Insightful)
Here is the korporate-speak interpreter.
Nadela wrote:
> We need to get beyond the arguments of slop vs sophistication and develop a new equilibrium in terms of our “theory of the mind” that accounts for humans being equipped with these new cognitive amplifier tools as we relate to each other. This is the product design question we need to debate and answer.
Interpretation:
"I'm tired of hearing about slop, stop talking about it. Now build me something I can sell, or I'll throw chairs."
Slop merchant promotes slop (Score:5, Insightful)
You have to eat the slop we created because you have no choice. We now have a vast slop content machine that cost us a lot of money and we will make a profit no matter what. We don't care if the slop is toxic and poisons you and degrades everything it invades. There is no red pill option. You only exist to monetize our investment. Shut up, open you mouth, and start gulping.
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Also, gambler deeply invested in a scam tries to claim the scam is not a scam. I do not think MS will make any profit from LLM-type AI though. It is just far too bad. The only ones that will make moderate profits are makers of small, customized, restricted-purpose LLMs and these will be small companies and maybe some universities.
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Further, those of us in the research side of things will have to spend more time sifting the wheat from the chaff when it comes to software development directions that are incidental part of research projects.
Luckily, the lack of a measurable outcome is its own punishment.
New Theory! (Score:2)
Let me be the first to create a new Theory of Human Minds Enhanced by Slop Insertion Tools(TM).
It goes like this:
Law 1: Human (average intelligence) + Slop Insertion Tool = Enhanced Human (below average intelligence).
Law 2: Enhanced Human + Bridge = Money Machine.
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> Law 2: Enhanced Human + Bridge = Money Machine.
How much are you interested in paying for this "Bridge"? Because have I got a deal for you...
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Oooooh! Is it a good deal? I just got paid!
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Exactly. I mean, even average intelligence people can see how bad the LLM-type Artificial Idiots are. Need to bring the standards down to actually sell this crap.
Must be wrong (Score:2)
I had sort of felt that way, but if Microsoft is pushing that line it must be wrong. They've got a history.
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Indeed. I remember the ads about Linux being a "cancer" and these days MS has its own Linux distro and Azure is apparently running more Linux loads than Windows ones. And Win11 is looking more and more outdated in comparison. Since I generally do not pay any attention to MS statements, this is the only one I remember as it made the general news here.
How about (Score:2)
No!
AI shills (Score:3)
Truely a legend in his own mind. We are already plagued by too much artificial intelligence. What we need is the real thing, not something that will creatively cow back the mistakes of others, while adding a bit of its own fancy and marketing it as truth...
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> We are already plagued by too much artificial intelligence. What we need is the real thing, not something that will creatively cow back the mistakes of others, while adding a bit of its own fancy and marketing it as truth...
Indeed. But there does not seem to be a way to get more of it, education is not doing it. Now we could make sure all decision makers are actually high intelligence people with intact personal morals and no maliciousness. And we would probably just about have enough of these people. But since that would impact profits and some zealot agendas, it is not going to happen. Instead we put dumb and dumber, with no morals or integrity and high level of maliciousness in power, with predictable results.
Translation (Score:2)
"After setting fire to immense amounts of money on fire, I cannot point to a single compelling use case for an end of year summary. Perhaps worse, I can't even think of anything better to say about it other than use a quote from a dead guy to show I didn't quite get what he was talking about, either."
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> "After setting fire to immense amounts of money on fire
You gotta be super thorough when you're trying to burn money, I guess.
"The Narrative is not Going my Way- (Score:3)
-Please pretend it is" Microsoft CEO
accept the slop (Score:3)
"Accept the slop and stop talking about it. Its the same thing you get from the Intern, just like the Intern our systems are learning and this year will be just great! So stop shaming us for being a joke."
Nah, I'll call it how I see it.
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Indeed. The "Great New Thing" is simply another step towards full enshittification.
Agreed (Score:4, Insightful)
It's time to move on to the realization that it's all slop
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You know, except for the occasional instance of "better search" (which is really not enough to even remotely justify the effort), it actually seems to be.
Crappy lies ... (Score:2)
... from the head of a thoroughly crappy company. Yes, it is slop. Yes, your investments in it are sunk cost you will not recover. Yes, the whole thing will crash in the (somewhat?) near future. Yes, the same thing happened to all AI hypes so far and there have been a couple.
Stop trying to confuse the issue. There was nothing "pivotal" about AI in 2025 and the improvements were marginal or not even there.
Loudness = Power!!! (Score:1)
[1]https://youtu.be/IiZeOgxpCmI [youtu.be]
- Evil Kneval
[1] https://youtu.be/IiZeOgxpCmI
Typo? (Score:2)
> For AI to have societal permission it must have real world [evil] impact.
Yeah, right (Score:3)
Sounds like exactly the kind of thing I'd exepct Microslop to say as they force "AI" into every aspect of Windows.
CEO slop argument (Score:2)
He just wants to win the AI game and fortunately for him, MS also control the most widely used desktop OS.
Most people don't want AI (Score:3)
Yet MSFT et al. seem compelled to push it on us. Well, [1]The Generative AI Industry is Fraudulent, Immoral and Dangerous [skoll.ca]
[1] https://dianne.skoll.ca/writings/ai-is-bad/
"stop calling it slop!", (Score:2)
"stop calling it slop!", wailed Satya the Slopmonger like a little bitch bagholder.
I found myself hoping (Score:2)
that the summary had in some way mis-identified or mis-represented the post. So, to check the text verbatim:
> What matters is not the power of any given model, but how people choose to apply it to achieve their goals. We need to get beyond the arguments of slop vs sophistication and develop a new equilibrium in terms of our “theory of the mind” that accounts for humans being equipped with these new cognitive amplifier tools
godfuckingdamnit Nadella you piece of trash:
- anybody building a tool
big assumption (Score:2)
The software you wrote, that you don't fully understand well enough to debug when it misbehaves. Why do you assume it amplifies cognition? Seems like it amplifies stupidity, or more generously it amplifies errors. Common errors found in forum posts on the Internet over the last 50 years. Maybe don't train an LLM on people posting confidently the most unhinged or ridiculous things. All we did was teach AI how to speak with certainty on topics that it has the barest knowledge of.
Translation (Score:2)
In other words, "MS has invested so much into the AI boondoggle that everyone had better jump on board before I lose my bonuses and stock options."
Microsoft CEO: says our AI does not work! (Score:2)
" Move 'Beyond the Arguments of Slop vs Sophistication' " It is time to stop expecting it too! Ever!
wow (Score:1)
What the hell does that even mean. LLMs our a joke and all the companies making them no that. All that is left is for the music to stop. Like Open AI and there what ever guy. They know its over. All of them are saying it. Curor AI actaully said it software make unsable shit.+
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You're right. Although LLMs can write and spell correctly and you can't, you're intelligent and they are not.
Re:wow (Score:4, Informative)
It's not a thought piece, it's a corporate diktat. He doesn't give any reasoning supporting his ideas. It's not a balanced rationale.
The proper way to use this piece is if you are an employee at Microsoft, now you know what you need to do to get a promotion. Find a way to measure the positive impact of AI, and the Nadela will be happy. No need to worry about what's real, only about what Nadela will like. It's actually clear and informative for people who read it like that.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, it's nonsense. It's just noise in the blogosphere, because the CEO of Microsoft is no more important than any other boke with a bog.
The Reflection Engine (Score:2)
so much negativity, my experience is the opposite but then again I'm not a coder who obsesses over saving 0.2 ms or inventing my own "for" loop to prove how brilliant I am. :)
[1]https://www.scry.llc/2025/06/0... [scry.llc]
"Many people use ChatGPT (AI) thinking they want answers â" but sometimes they get a conversational mirror which amplifies intent and direction. Like a thought forge: ideas enter half-formed and exit sharper, cooler, or occasionally twisted into something new.
Or perhaps today it's a semantic mirror
[1] https://www.scry.llc/2025/06/01/the-reflection-engine/
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I have a code base that is over a million + lines of code and does 250k medical tranactions a day(EDI). It does another 500k HL7 messages and millions of db crud operations. Cursor AI gets confused at around 800 lines of code. It can not even build a production app server from start to finish. Lama 4 in face book actauly does a good job but really the same limitations.
The big problem with LLM is they will never be able to exceed what is in there training data. They do not learn they ar statistical model of
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which amplifies intent and direction
Which amplifies what the idiot machine has mis-identified as your intent and direction. Or the weights pre-prompted into the AI.
Like a thought forge: ideas enter half-formed and
exit as melted sludge, or occasionally twisted. Like all those people pushed into psychosis for either murder or suicide.
so much negativity ... inventing my own "for" loop to prove how brilliant I am
You really are an idiot. Nobody is going to believe you're brilliant.