DHS Says REAL ID, Which DHS Certifies, Is Too Unreliable To Confirm US Citizenship (reason.com)
- Reference: 0180497325
- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/26/01/01/1736221/dhs-says-real-id-which-dhs-certifies-is-too-unreliable-to-confirm-us-citizenship
- Source link: https://reason.com/2025/12/31/dhs-says-real-id-which-dhs-certifies-is-too-unreliable-to-confirm-u-s-citizenship/
> Only the government could spend 20 years creating a national ID that no one wanted and that apparently doesn't even work as a national ID. But that's what the federal government has accomplished with the REAL ID, which the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) [1]now considers unreliable , even though getting one requires providing proof of citizenship or lawful status in the country.
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> In a December 11 [2]court filing [PDF] , Philip Lavoie, the acting assistant special agent in charge of DHS' Mobile, Alabama, office, stated that, "REAL ID can be unreliable to confirm U.S. citizenship." Lavoie's declaration was in response to a federal civil rights lawsuit filed in October by the Institute for Justice, a public-interest law firm, on behalf of Leo Garcia Venegas, an Alabama construction worker. Venegas was detained twice in May and June during immigration raids on private construction sites, despite being a U.S. citizen. In both instances, Venegas' lawsuit says, masked federal immigration officers entered the private sites without a warrant and began detaining workers based solely on their apparent ethnicity.
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> And in both instances officers allegedly retrieved Venegas' Alabama-issued REAL ID from his pocket but claimed it could be fake. Venegas was kept handcuffed and detained for an hour the first time and "between 20 and 30 minutes" the second time before officers ran his information and released him.
[1] https://reason.com/2025/12/31/dhs-says-real-id-which-dhs-certifies-is-too-unreliable-to-confirm-u-s-citizenship/
[2] https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.alsd.76579/gov.uscourts.alsd.76579.44.1.pdf
Only the goverment (Score:5, Insightful)
When one party actively sabotages the government, you can't exactly expect it to work.
Re: Only the goverment (Score:1)
Can your party PLEASE stop?
Re: Only the goverment (Score:5, Insightful)
Right now, the leader of the Republican party is working for Putin, Netanyahu, and the Saudis, to the detriment of the American public...
This is nothing new, since they have [1]rallied around Starve The Beast [wikipedia.org] for over 30 years and claim that government doesn't work, then actively dismantle it when they are elected to prove themselves right
Which party are _you referring to?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast
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False!. He's also working for Argentina.
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You need to stop watching right wing news and repeating it until you believe it
I'll let AI answer your attempts to confuse, please take the time to consider that you may be a dupe
> And, how is the Republican leader working for Putin, Netanyahu, and the Saudis. How is that any different than Biden or anyone?
Republican Leader (Donald Trump)
The current or presumptive Republican leader, Donald Trump, has faced specific criticisms regarding his interactions with Vladimir Putin, Benjamin Netanyahu, and the
Mod parent comment UP. (Score:2)
Mod parent comment UP. Good detail.
Re: Only the goverment (Score:4, Insightful)
defining the "bad" based on skin color isn't a good gauge to use.
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You're a special kind of stupid if you can say "the Democrats wanted to open the borders and let all the 'illegals' in. Bet you'd rather have to go out to get the mail carrying an Uzi to shoot the people in the souped-up Impala." with a straight face. [1]https://www.ucdavis.edu/blog/c... [ucdavis.edu]
[1] https://www.ucdavis.edu/blog/curiosity/conversation-have-any-us-presidents-reduced-immigration
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Ah yes the "both sides" argument. So I'm going to need some citations here.
How liberals hamstrung effective government ... (Score:2)
... detailed in a book with many citations written "by liberals, for liberals": [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
"Abundance is a nonfiction book by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson published by Avid Reader Press in March 2025. The book examines the reasons behind the lack of progress on ambitious projects in the United States, including those related to affordable housing, infrastructure, and climate change. It became a New York Times Bestseller.
Klein a
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_(Klein_and_Thompson_book)
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"because it's obvious" won't hold up under scrutiny. I'm tellin' ya.
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Remind me again which side is cheering for masked secret police to abduct people into rental vans?
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"I don't need citations, it's obvious" = "I need to hide the fact that I have no evidence."
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"It will take time, though"
Funny, I seem to recall Orange Jesus telling us the exact opposite before the election.
Papers please! (Score:5, Insightful)
So we're at the Papers please! stage of fascism now. Cool. Next up loyalty oaths.
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We're now beyond that stage, because you can have the federal government approved ID and have them not accept it.
I am a big white guy, but I have an aggressively Hispanic name. The whole thing (all three parts) is extremely common in Mexico. While both of my parents were born here, none of their parents were. Most of them came from Europe, but one was a Mexican citizen. I have an allegedly real ID. When all this bullshit kicked off, I refreshed my passport, and I carry the passport card.
The question is, if
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They do not care about ID. They care about terrorizing you and acting all powerful.
Re:Papers please! (Score:5, Informative)
In the [1]Mexican Repatriation [wikipedia.org] during the early part of the Great Depression, between 300,000 and 2 million people of Mexican heritage were forcibly removed from America, even though a large percentage of them were born here.
There were no records kept, just a brutal attack on fellow Americans to distract the rest from the poor management of the government and inevitable steps to the Great Depression
Sometimes History is not content to simply rhyme, it clearly repeats itself.
One of the factors leading towards this was the absolute control of the media by Randolph Hearst, and his consistent propagandistic support for policies that set Americans against each other
It should be obvious the Fox News plays a similar role now, and all the Americans born since Hearst's form of Yellow Journalism was flushed down the toilet need to learn why it must be done again
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation
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> The question is, if it ever comes down to it, will they even accept my passport card as proof of citizenship?
Is your passport fake? If not, you should be fine. Or you could also present your COVID vaccine and booster card ID. No illegal would bother getting one.
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Nor any MAGA.
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So in this world you are advocating here all of us are going to have a passport card on us at all times?
Re:Papers please! (Score:5, Informative)
Loyalty oaths? You mean like the one you force school children to recite every single day?
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I'm actually not a fan of that either. Especially the "under god" line they tacked on in the 1950s.
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"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.". And yes, that was entirely from memory.
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And yes, they still recite it. There is a Supreme Court ruling that any school child has a Constitutional right to refuse to recite the Pledge, but not many kids are going to have the guts to invoke that right when the teacher is leading the whole class in reciting it.
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> Next up loyalty oaths.
That's already happening - new federal employees must swear an oath of allegiance to Trump to follow his policies and such.
Though I think Project 2026 has something to say about that as well. Yes, there is a new Project 2026 document which contains some of the stuff in Project 2025 that hasn't been done yet (e.g., banning pornography) but adds more stuff that they would like done as well
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Doesn't that happen regardless?
I somehow doubt that's an 'only under Trump' thing.
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Here is the essay Federal applicant's have to make now:
How would you help advance the President’s Executive Orders and policy priorities in this role? Identify one or two relevant Executive Orders or policy initiatives that are significant to you, and explain how you would help implement them if hired.
So the easy way to answer your question is did Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton or even Trump1 have anything similar?
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I was going to challenge you on that, since the only oath a federal employee has to swear is to honor the constitution. But to even get past the interview stage now you have to declare your loyalty to trump so really that amounts to the same thing in the end. And if a democrat does win the next presidency (which i feel is unlikely), he or she will have to completely clean out the bureaucracy and start over, probably doing their own form of loyalty oaths, which is a very bad thing.
Administrations have ofte
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With [1]tens of millions [pewresearch.org] of illegal immigrants in the country, how do you suggest we verify citizenship without asking for an ID?
[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/08/21/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population-reached-a-record-14-million-in-2023/
Re: Papers please! (Score:1)
Remember when Trump said he would enforce a Muslim ban by asking people if they were Muslim?
Why does Border Patrol just ask you if you are a US citizen at checkpoints?
"During his 2015 presidential campaign, Donald Trump suggested that U.S. border agents could ask people their religion by asking, "Are you Muslim?" to enforce a proposed "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the U.S.". "
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Um, at least read the summary of the article.
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Found the Reich winger. Please deport yourself, it would improve the economy. Russia is accepting meat for the front.
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That's what the people who want to do it have to figure out, they just can't say "everyone has to carry papers now and have to prove citizenship to authorities" unless it is the law that you are compelled to show ID when requested?
This is just a way of saying "But it's hard work! Can't we just break the law a little to make it easier?"
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Um, the guy at the top was using loyalty oaths 6 years ago. We're already into the Concentration Camp stage of fascism, with warrantless & process-free seizure adding a little drama to being off-white: they're taking you just because, not telling anyone where or why, that birth certificate or passport could be fake - bye.
Next is shooting people who disagree, on a whim and in the street.
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"God gave me freedom to spew killer germs everywhere!"
MAGAT!
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Do you mean when employers in "at will" employment states asked for proof of vaccination? Just like the way doctors offices and hospitals require everyone receive certain vaccines in order to be hired? I recall a lot of that happening under Trump actually.
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Q: And, where did all the things that require vaccination come from?
A: From other administrations who let in all 'refuges' and 'political asylum' and anyone who had an advocate who found some reason their client needed to get in.
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I’m guessing immigration is a Fox talking point today.
Re: Papers please! (Score:4, Informative)
> Q: And, where did all the things that require vaccination come from?
"The United States has a long history of school vaccination requirements. The first school vaccination requirement was enacted in the 1850s in Massachusetts to prevent the spread of smallpox.[21] The school vaccination requirement was put in place after the compulsory school attendance law caused a rapid increase in the number of children in public schools, increasing the risk of smallpox outbreaks. The early movement towards school vaccination laws began at the local level including counties, cities, and boards of education. By 1827, Boston had become the first city to mandate that all children entering public schools show proof of vaccination.[22] In addition, in 1855 the Commonwealth of Massachusetts had established its own statewide vaccination requirements for all students entering school, this influenced other states to implement similar statewide vaccination laws in schools as seen in New York in 1862, Connecticut in 1872, Pennsylvania in 1895, and later the Midwest, South, and Western US. By 1963, 20 states had school vaccination laws.[22]" [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy_of_the_United_States#History_of_school_vaccination_requirements
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No you didn't. It's not the fact that it was compulsory that created a problem, it's the fact that attendance increased. The vaccinations would have been necessary even if the increased attendance would result from other forces than the law.
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No, it should be considered child abuse to deny a child an education.
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Public health mandates save tens of thousands of lives, many many more hospitalizations. Get over yourself.
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Are you at least getting paid to lick boots or does it turn you on?
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Ohhh, Auchey!
It requires FIVE types of ID... (Score:4, Informative)
I got my RealID some years ago. It required 5 types of ID. I used my passport, social security card, voter ID paper, phone bill and electric bill. All that satisfied the RealID requirements
What else do they need? /p?
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Birth certificate, DNA sample, and Writ of Ethnic Purity.
Re:It requires FIVE types of ID... (Score:5, Informative)
Read the click-bait article carefully. They are not saying real ID is unreliable, they are saying a real ID card can be forged. When there is suspicion of a forged document it can take longer to verify its authenticity.
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In that case, they should make it electronic, so that cryptographic solutions, such as hashing, can be applied to them. In fact, once they do that, they can capture everything about the person. So when that person has to show an ID, the reader of the entity doing the asking will only be able to read what it has access to. Like Law enforcement can access driver's license and insurance, but not immigration status. ICE can access passport, but nothing else. TSA can access passport, but nothing else. IRS
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> In that case, they should make it electronic,
They absolutely should not. Digital ID is all kinds of a bad idea for all kinds of reasons.
Re: It requires FIVE types of ID... (Score:2)
Pure digital ID isn't necessary. They can stick the same RFID chip in there my credit card has and verify it with a wave.
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If the goal is to make sure that the ID card they check matches you... if my pic was taken when I was 150lbs., it's gonna look different after I gain 80lbs. and start boxing (getting pounded to hamburger changes the shape of your face... look at Stallone).
The only way to do it right would be: the usual pic and address stuff, also do fingerprint and a pin-prick blood sample... think Gattaca. My face could be damaged boxing or in an accident, my fingerprint could be unreadable (some finger-losing or scarring
Re: It requires FIVE types of ID... (Score:1)
You don't box
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...my fingerprint could be unreadable (some finger-losing or scarring accident)...
I'm in my mid 70s now, and my fingerprints are so worn down that when I turn pages in a book, I have to watch the page numbers to make sure I'm not turning more than one page. A few years ago, I found it impossible to set up the fingerprint reader on a new laptop because of that. I have no idea how that happened, because you'd think that as they get worn down they'd also grow back, but not this time. Are they so badly w
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> (getting pounded to hamburger changes the shape of your face... look at Stallone).
Stallone is an actor, not a boxer. He played a boxer in a movie series about one. Ever heard of make-up?
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It is not a problem with ID. It is a problem with logistics of checking IDs. It was a raid. Multiple people were detained. It takes time to process them. He was released after 20-30 min once officers ran his biometrics as TFA says.
Re: It requires FIVE types of ID... (Score:2)
"Yes, we detained this person without anything even approaching probable cause. But in our defense, we were trying to detain a WHOLE BUNCH of people without probable cause."
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> In that case, they should make it electronic, so that cryptographic solutions, such as hashing, can be applied to them. In fact, once they do that, they can capture everything about the person. So when that person has to show an ID, the reader of the entity doing the asking will only be able to read what it has access to. Like Law enforcement can access driver's license and insurance, but not immigration status. ICE can access passport, but nothing else. TSA can access passport, but nothing else. IRS can access social security number, but nothing else. The readers would all be exclusively electronic, so that no person can read all the details of the ID holder and gain more than s/he needs to do the job
Not everyone carries an electronic device with them at all times. So what then? The device addicted among us always seem to forget that not everyone is so afflicted.
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> They are not saying real ID is unreliable, they are saying a real ID card can be forged.
The pretense is now set for your legit ID being fake. If the government doesn't like you they can just declare your ID is forged and ICE can snatch you up.
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> and ICE can snatch you up.
Those uniforms don't look authentic to me.
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> The pretense is now set for your legit ID being fake.
Your ID is a piece of plastic until it is authenticated. Just like your badge or your access key.
Re:It requires FIVE types of ID... (Score:4, Insightful)
ICE badges can also be laughably forged, and it's not like they wear a uniform, or even show their faces.
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Impersonating federal agent is a felony though unlike carrying civilian fake ID.
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Like that'll stop the criminals. Doesn't stop the ones already playing policeman and wearing masks.
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So whenever ICE wants to detain someone, all they need to do is say they suspect a forged ID. And it might "take them a while" to verify it as genuine, especially if they're motivated to believe it's not. So how is this any different for the citizen from not carrying ID in the first place?
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Don't worry... it'll descend into an "It's all Trump's fault" argument
*hands jonsmirl a big bucket of popcorn and opens the beer cooler*
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And reading between the lines, they just want to claim any documents that is inconvenient to their objectives may be fake. Modern licenses that do real id are the most counterfeit resistant physical ids ever, including generally the ability to quickly scan and be corroborated instantly by smartphones in the field.
It's a BS excuse to ignore fourth amendment rights even when a citizen does everything exactly 'right' above and beyond what they should have to do.
Re: It requires FIVE types of ID... (Score:2)
And passports are unforgeable? What about those folks who get caught with fake passports?
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That's accepting the claim at face value. In practice, modern licenses are the most forgery resistant id cards ever. There's zero excuse for ICE to declare a counterfeit when they can just scan the back and instantly get online corroboration for the id card.
This is just an attempt at an excuse, because they have a mandate to round up select ethnicities and some of them actually having valid ID is an inconvenience they want to ignore.
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I got mine with just the passport and a bill showing my address. What state were you in?
Easy (Score:3)
Tattoo babies born in the USA to US citizens with "Made in USA" on their bottoms. /s
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"What happens when they molt?!?"
Excuse to issue the (Score:2)
"Trump ID Card"
"Could be fake"? (Score:2)
"Could be fake?" Anything could be fake. Even a passport. That's a really stupid thing to claim.
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No. That is a statement of "You have no rights and we decide what happens here!".
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The masked guy's claim to be an ICE agent could also be fake. Now what?
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Local police arrest them and charge them with the catch all disorderly conduct charge. It probably won't stick but it would gum things up.
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Could be. But wasn't in Venegas' case. They detained him, "ran his ID" and released him. So, it worked as advertized.
OK. So if took an hour to run it. They were conducting a raid, so they were busy. And if you don't like the database response speed, fire AT&T from the FirstNet program. Combining law enforcement functions with a bunch of autistic gamers on one wireless system was a mistake.
Not sure why this is suddenly popping up (Score:3)
This has been the case since Real ID started. Real ID was never intended to prove citizenship, and in fact, you can get a Real ID as a non-citizen in the country and that's been there since the federal Real ID act. The point of Real ID was to: Standardize State IDs, Standardize Issuance Criteria, Validate Lawful Status (Citizen, Temporary Residence, Conditional Permanent Status, approved Asylum Status, pending asylum application, etc.), Improve documentation verification, specify document retention requirements, provide access to state databases from other states (so they can verify the ID).
Real ID was never about validating citizenship, which is something that I argued time and time and time again when people argued for shit like Voter ID laws. You can be a non-citizen and totally get a validated Real ID.
I'm curious as to why this is suddenly coming up. Is it because some entity is trying to head off Real ID voter ID requirements for 2026? To be fair, that person would be correct, since Voter ID is a poll tax *and* Real ID doesn't provide any guarantee you're legally allowed to vote. So this is the correct approach. But it's curious watching this blow up all over the internet suddenly. I thought this was widely known.
The ONLY documents that provide proof of citizenship are: A Passport, a Passport Card, and maybe an Enhanced Driver's License in a northern border state.
Re:Not sure why this is suddenly popping up (Score:4, Informative)
It's suddenly popping up because Trump wants to deport everyone they can get their hands on, lawful status or not. And they're picking up citizens along the way.
They're already going after citizens (Score:3)
And it's not going to matter if you're white. If you go against the administration they will deport you. What's more they can threaten to deport you to a prison if you don't except plea deals and do as they say.
They're also trying to make Trump derangement syndrome in illness which is the same thing Joseph Stalin did where he declared his enemies mentally ill and have them locked up.
These aren't clever men they're just using existing tactics to institute a fascist authoritarian state. But the tactics work.
And there is a bunch of people reading slashdot right now that are looking forward to it. The Fox News Grandpa's that get off on seeing ice goons crack heads.
A lot of them will be dead before the worst of the shit happens and before it happens to them. But if you're under 60 this shit's going to fuck you up.
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They absolutely desire this, but their implementation is going to be difficult. Certainly we are seeing fascists test their ideas and what works right now, and I worry for what comes well beyond the Trump Administration. To be fair, Trump's Administration is really an extension of the Bush Administration's policies. The destruction of public education for example didn't begin with Trump, nor Bush, for that matter. But began with Reagan. The process has been long and slow over the course of 40-50 years. Firs
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While it’s true that much of the power that Trump exercises today nominally derives from GOP post-9/11 legislation and policies, that misses the point of Trump’s admin’s behaviour, because it makes it sound as though they are somehow constrained by legality. They have repeatedly demonstrated that they do not feel in the slightest constrained by legality, only by pushback. They’ve ignored Congress and the Supreme Court as well as lower courts whenever it suits them, and just done what
Trump lost 94% of his cases in lower Court (Score:2)
And the supreme Court overturned the lower courts 94% of the time. Having a corrupt supreme Court means Trump can do basically anything as long as he doesn't fuck with the billionaires paying for the supreme court's multi-million dollar vacations and luxury motor coaches.
Trump is sold something like 2 to 4 billion dollars worth of pardons. It's a little hard to get an exact number but it's definitely not less than 2 billion and it could be as high as $6 billion.
Funny (Score:2)
Because I remember having to bring a birth certificate to get my current state driver's license.
But then, this regime has never heard the word "perjury".
They're not wrong... (Score:2)
REAL IDs generally require legal presence. Not all legally present in the US are citizens. And it is entirely possible for someone with a REAL ID to fall out of status during the validity of the ID. So it is 100% accurate to say that a REAL ID in and of itself is not reliable or sufficient to confirm citizenship (or the real issue of immunity from removal). Trying to read a requirement into REAL IDs that doesn't exist is just as disingenuous as DHS' behavior.
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The ID proves who the holder of the ID is, and then they look him up in their database of who is a citizen.
This "Real ID does not mean citizenship" idea is being repeated over and over again here, seems to be a concerted effort to try to discredit this story.
RealID not intended prove citizenship (Score:5, Insightful)
RealID isn't intended to prove citizenship. Citizens can get them, as can immigrants with lawful status in the country. That was on purpose, because people with lawful status also travel, enter federal buildings, and do lots of perfectly legal stuff in this country.
The problem is the Trump administration is intent on finding any reason to kick people out of the country, whether they have lawful status or not. The RealID doesn't tell them whether they have to let you go because you're a citizen.
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RealID was created so that the per-state IDs can also be used as a single government ID anywhere.
To qualify for RealID your local state also must review and see a valid proof of your identity other than the previously state issued photo ID (I guess some states were lax on this previously). basically your birth certificate, social security card, and proof of residence within the state (electric bill, property tax bill, etc.).
Citizenship was never even mentioned, just that the id would be needed in the
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To obtain a ReaIID, you do not need citizenship, but you do need to demonstrate legal status in the country. That could include one of the following:
- birth certificate from a US state;
- US passport;
- proof of permanent residency (green card); or
- employment authorization documents (i.e., visas or work permits.)
An electric bill or property-tax bill may show proof of residency but it does not show legal status.
Judge should laugh at that. (Score:4, Informative)
Yes, REALID is just a new driver's license and of course they can be faked.
The major problem is that the racists in ICE etc. like to think that illegal immigration is a serious crime, far worse than say bank robbery.
But you do not get a lawyer in immigration hearings because the Supreme Court has said it is NOT a serious crime - only being the equivalent of a Tort / Civil Infraction (i.e. speeding tickets). That is why you are not entitled to a lawyer for an Immigration Hearing (or traffic ticket), but you cannot be tried without one for a felony or misdemeanor
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> But you do not get a lawyer in immigration hearings because the Supreme Court has said it is NOT a serious crime - only being the equivalent of a Tort / Civil Infraction (i.e. speeding tickets). That is why you are not entitled to a lawyer for an Immigration Hearing (or traffic ticket), but you cannot be tried without one for a felony or misdemeanor
What are you talking about? You most definitely have the right to have a lawyer represent you for an immigration hearing or traffic ticket. The government just won't pay for one, unless you're mentally disabled.
Lawyers say... (Score:2)
Just because these lawyers argue this in court doesn't mean that DHS actually doesn't consider it secure. It just means they want an excuse for their gestapo-style disappearings.
The real purpose of REAL ID (Score:2)
Data sharing with the federal government. That's always why they were pushing it.
They should have the data ... (Score:4, Informative)
This was kinda spelled out in TFS, but as I understand it, Real ID was just supposed to certify that you are who the ID says you are. It wasn't suppose to verify U.S. citizenship and non-citizens can get Real IDs too. But... you have to show a birth certificate or passport (for which you had to show a birth certificate) to get your Real ID. So they have, or had, your citizenship data at one point. The ID just doesn't show that. Perhaps they just need to update the ID with different shapes/colors for U.S. citizens / non-citizens, etc...
As a note to U.S. citizens, in addition to (or instead of) a Passport Book, you can get a [1]Passport Card [state.gov], the size of a credit card, noting that it's only good for travel by land and sea from Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, and some Caribbean countries. It's less expensive than a Passport Book - Adult price for Card: $30 vs Book: $130. And you can have both.
[1] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-passport/card.html
Real ID should be repealed (Score:2)
It is time to repeal this difficult and frustrating law. The original chairman that pushed this law very hard is former congressman F. James Sensenbrenner. He fought tooth and nail to make it frustrating, at least the frustrating Driver License Agreement (DLA) did NOT survive outside of the committee meetings before it was passed. The DLA requires traffic tickets from anywhere within North America be reported to the state you are licensed in and requires the state you are licensed in to report the ticket to
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My last iPhone was an SE3. I just refused to go w/ the iPhone X or anything subsequent: FaceID is a non-starter for me, fingerprints or patterns (like on Android phones) are acceptable. I just wish there was a phone based on LegacyOS or GrapheneOS that I could use that had such features if requested, or downloaded from the app store , so that only selected details about myself would be on the phone
They'll need a second form of ID (Score:5, Insightful)
like being white for example.
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I believe a color-chart is available.
Re:They'll need a second form of ID (Score:4, Informative)
Family Guy called it years ago. [1]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL... [twimg.com]
[1] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLJyglKW4AA4i1B?format=jpg&name=small