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'One of America's Most Successful Experiments Is Coming to a Shuddering Halt' (nytimes.com)

(Tuesday December 30, 2025 @11:41AM (msmash) from the brain-drain-reversal dept.)


The six-decade flow of highly skilled Indian immigrants to the United States -- a migration pattern that produced some of the country's highest-earning households, several Nobel laureates, and the CEOs of Google, Microsoft, and Pepsi -- [1]appears to be grinding to a halt amid rising anti-Indian rhetoric from Republican officials and chaos in the visa system, according to New York Times.

Indian student arrivals at American universities fell 44% this year, even as Indians had just become the largest contingent of foreign students the previous year. The decline comes as top Trump administration officials have publicly accused Indian immigrants of gaming the system. Stephen Miller, the architect of the president's immigration crackdown, declared on Fox News that Indians "engage in a lot of cheating on immigration policies that is very harmful to American workers." Governor Ron DeSantis called the H-1B visa program "chain migration run amok."

The hostility extends beyond policy circles. At a Hindu temple in Sugar Land, Texas, conservative Christian protesters gathered during the dedication of a 90-foot Hanuman statue, calling the deity "a demon god." A U.S. Senate candidate wrote on social media: "Why are we allowing a false statue of a false Hindu God to be here in Texas? We are a CHRISTIAN nation." Indian Americans' median household income significantly outstrips that of white Americans, and about three-quarters hold at least a college degree. Foreign students have earned more engineering and computer science doctorates than American citizens and permanent residents for over two decades, according to the National Science Foundation. American tech giants have announced $67.5 billion in new investments in India in just the past few months.



[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/29/opinion/indian-americans-trump.html


Subjective anyone? (Score:3)

by ByTor-2112 ( 313205 )

I would say this is a subjective opinion, and it has always been controversial, somewhat unpopular, and abused by corporate giants.

The helplessness one feels when someone shows up and literally takes your job has to be pretty traumatic. Losing your job due to downsizing is pretty bad, but that I'd even more dehumanizing. So backlash and resentment is part of the process, and the Indians are smart enough to know that as well.

Re:Subjective anyone? (Score:4, Insightful)

by JamesTRexx ( 675890 )

And don't blame the one who replaced you at the employer, but blame the employer for replacing you and prioritising greed.

Re: (Score:1)

by rsilvergun ( 571051 )

I have to compete with billionaire hedge funds for housing and every single person on the planet for employment. So yeah globalism fucking sucks.

I should add it doesn't have to be. But it is. One of the things that pisses me off about progressives even as a progressive is that we progressives have a bad habit of acting like we've already won and the world already works the way we want it to.

Re: (Score:1)

by Anonymous Coward

> I have to compete with billionaire hedge funds for housing and every single person on the planet for employment. So yeah globalism fucking sucks.

You MAGA folks might hate competition when you're selling but I bet you're going to like it when you're buying . Come back to the Dems and you're going to find people asking basic questions like "why should government use force to reduce competition in housing supply? "

We don't need monopolies. You might be seduced by them right now, but think about what is causing

Re: (Score:2)

by Hank21 ( 6290732 )

> And don't blame the one who replaced you at the employer, but blame the employer for replacing you and prioritising greed.

It's not always the employers fault - sure larger corps are greedy, but smaller ones need to compete by making financial choices - the good of the one vs the good of the many.... If I have 50 people in my company and one of them is an "American born" resource who is failing to keep up his/her skills, and along comes a prospect with better skills at a lower cost, why should I keep the "Slacker". Would it be different if the replacement were American born? Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer the local variety fo

Re: (Score:2)

by JamesTRexx ( 675890 )

This does not constitute greed as a reason for replacing someone. Slackers need to be replaced.

Re: (Score:2)

by PackMan97 ( 244419 )

No one is complaining about a company replacing one employee. We are talking about coming into a company, laying off the entire IT department except one lucky manager who gets to be the translator between the Indian offshoring company and the c-suite execs. I've personally been a part of an action like that. A few years later my former company no longer exists, so I guess there is that.

Re: (Score:1)

by Shaitan ( 22585 )

We try to make business costs deductible because business means more employment, goods, and services in the US. That's only true if the economic activity IS in the US though. One patch on this problem is for only native born labor and associated costs to be deductible. No matter how it is structured on paper [including separate incorporation and billing back as a service] outsourced and insourced related expenses shouldn't be deductible. In fact, it wouldn't be a terrible idea to make all foreign services a

Re:Subjective anyone? (Score:5, Interesting)

by Ogive17 ( 691899 )

While I know it's been happening for awhile, it became the "norm" within the last 10-20 years. H1B stopped being about bringing in the best and brightest and more about who would do the work for the least amount of money, at least in the IT sector.

Everyone knows H1B needs better guardrails. The only way to make it painful for companies that abuse the system is hit them from a tax standpoint. Even if there was a huge shortage of IT professionals, forcing a higher tax rate to receive H1B workers may have them decide to invest in domestic talent.

Re: (Score:2)

by chas.williams ( 6256556 )

It's pretty much this. Companies use the H-1 B program to hold those employees hostage.

Re:Subjective anyone? (Score:5, Interesting)

by SumDog ( 466607 )

I'm an Indian, but an "ABCD" (American Bord Confused Desi). I can't read or understand Hindi anymore. I only ever had an "American" accent. I've had more than one girlfriend say I wasn't Indian, but American.

It does suck because I see where the resentment comes from. At least when I started, the ratio of competent to incompetent Indians was about the same as anyone else (race or whatever). You're always going to have good people and people who are idiots and shouldn't be there. It's always like a 50/50 split unless you're in one of the high end super-competitive markets.

I don't want to hate on my own people, but India as a nation has a deep seeded culture of corruption that needs to be dealt with domestically. America use to have one too (just look at E. H. Crump in Memphis back in the 40s), but today .. you don't bribe cops. It usually won't work. It's still common in parts of India. Some of their regions have grown a lot as far as infrastructure and worth ethic. They don't have tofu cities like China, but they also don't have streamlines traffic like the US or safe trains like the EU.

America use to bring over Indians who would either assimilate or have kids that assimilated. They brought over people who saw the problems domestically and wanted to get away from that and create a better life for their children. Yes, a good amount kept their own culture and arranged match-making for their kids, but a considerable amount didn't. It was a true culture mesh and they filled roles that were lacking in the markets. Today they're just lowering the value of Americans, as are more immigrants in general in markets that have been down for 6+ years.

The anti-Indian sentiment hurts the ABCD, and even those fresh-of-the-plane immigrants who truly know their stuff and/or want to take part in western culture. But we also can't just defend all Indians because we are Indians. That's not good either ... M. Night Shyamalan had one good movie and everything after has sucked ass!

Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

by Ogive17 ( 691899 )

My son's middle school is roughly 60% Indian. I think Indian kids assimilate into American culture much easier than another other ethnic group I've experienced. The parents, not so much.

I have a woman from India on my team, they've been in the US since the early 90s. She complains the newer immigrants bring along the biases and divisions that exist within India to the US. Of course we had that same type of issues in the 19th and early 20th century. Each new group of immigrants was looked down upon by

Indian issues (Score:2)

by unixisc ( 2429386 )

Fully agree w/ you. Previous waves of Indians who came here did assimilate, and were generally trying to flee socialist India (which only stopped being socialist in 1991). Today's Indians who come have the same tendency to accumulate in particular areas, and there are a lot of them who don't speak English, and therefore had no business coming here in the first place

The problem in India is that it is still too heavily bureaucratic, despite all the conversation of "liberalization" that happened in the las

Re: (Score:2)

by magzteel ( 5013587 )

> I'm an Indian, but an "ABCD" (American Bord Confused Desi). I can't read or understand Hindi anymore. I only ever had an "American" accent. I've had more than one girlfriend say I wasn't Indian, but American.

> It does suck because I see where the resentment comes from. At least when I started, the ratio of competent to incompetent Indians was about the same as anyone else (race or whatever). You're always going to have good people and people who are idiots and shouldn't be there. It's always like a 50/50 split unless you're in one of the high end super-competitive markets.

> I don't want to hate on my own people, but India as a nation has a deep seeded culture of corruption that needs to be dealt with domestically. America use to have one too (just look at E. H. Crump in Memphis back in the 40s), but today .. you don't bribe cops. It usually won't work. It's still common in parts of India. Some of their regions have grown a lot as far as infrastructure and worth ethic. They don't have tofu cities like China, but they also don't have streamlines traffic like the US or safe trains like the EU.

> America use to bring over Indians who would either assimilate or have kids that assimilated. They brought over people who saw the problems domestically and wanted to get away from that and create a better life for their children. Yes, a good amount kept their own culture and arranged match-making for their kids, but a considerable amount didn't. It was a true culture mesh and they filled roles that were lacking in the markets. Today they're just lowering the value of Americans, as are more immigrants in general in markets that have been down for 6+ years.

> The anti-Indian sentiment hurts the ABCD, and even those fresh-of-the-plane immigrants who truly know their stuff and/or want to take part in western culture. But we also can't just defend all Indians because we are Indians. That's not good either ... M. Night Shyamalan had one good movie and everything after has sucked ass!

I live in a majority Asian community and my Indian neighbors are great. That said, their college grad American-born kids are also competing for jobs against H1-B's, and they shouldn't be. I also work with a lot of H1-B's. Some are top notch experienced professionals but most are just mediocre. We were told that this program was bringing in the best and the brightest, the specialists, the cream of the crop possessing skills that are just not available here, and it just isn't so. This backlash has been b

Re: (Score:3)

by leonbev ( 111395 )

I can't really tell what the point of the article was because (as usual) most of it was paywalled.

But... are we supposed to be HAPPY that US corporations have been outsourcing millions of highly skilled technology and healthcare jobs to cheaper Indian labor for the past 30 years? I guess that you would be if your last name was Kumar or Patel, but I kinda liked having my job protected from foreign H1-B invaders during the first Trump administration. It's too bad that Trump sold out to Big Tech for his secon

Re: (Score:3)

by dunkelfalke ( 91624 )

If your job is only protected by government intervention then you won't have it much longer anyway.

doctors (Score:2)

by unixisc ( 2429386 )

In the case of doctors, there are several parts of the country where they're not willing to move, or live. That's why foreign doctors are sought in the first place: not to lower salaries, but rather, to provide services in areas where they are non-existent and whose residents would have to travel far to get medical treatment

Re: (Score:2)

by SchroedingersCat ( 583063 )

This is better addressed through incentives programs like National Health Service Corps instead of bringing in foreigners on temporary basis. Overreliance on migrant labor eventually leads to labor shortages when economic environment deteriorates.

Re: (Score:1)

by Anonymous Coward

> Indians are smart enough to know that as well.

We Americans need to learn that too. We're in just as much competition with other Americans as we are with Indians, and it's just as likely that it's an American or an automated system who takes your job.

It's normal for Americans (and everyone else) to feel backlash and resentment against competing Americans (and everyone else). Republicans may disagree, but talk to any conservative and they'll tell you we've been doing that since at least the 1790s.

This used to

How well does it scale? (Score:2)

by unixisc ( 2429386 )

There is a question of magnitude, though, and scalability. It's one thing for Americans to compete w/ other Americans w/ similar skills for the same standard wages. However, if the labor pool is increased, and that too by several orders of magnitude, it's another story altogether

Yeah, competition is a good thing, but that assumes a tiered structure where people w/ higher market value earn more. However, the main reason companies are shedding American workers and trying to hire not just Indians, but als

Re: (Score:2)

by jythie ( 914043 )

Ah, but specifically when someone _browner_ than you takes your job. jobs shift around all the time, but there is special resentment when god's chosen skin colour is replaced by immigrants.

Re: (Score:1)

by Shaitan ( 22585 )

Ridiculously subjective. High skilled indian workers? Low skilled workers who replace high skilled americans is the norm not 'highly skilled workers.' In the raw they are average alongside other sources of starting and unproven labor but we didn't have shortages 20yrs ago and haven't at any point in the decades of replacing american workers with cheap insourced and outsourced labor since then. Worse Indians have infected management and even executive ranks and they are racist, intentionally hiring other In

Delusional much? (Score:5, Insightful)

by JamesTRexx ( 675890 )

> We are a CHRISTIAN nation.

No, you are a member of a fanatical fantasy book club. Nothing more.

Re: (Score:2)

by sdinfoserv ( 1793266 )

posted by coward.... figures. At the very least, they know more than you.

Re: (Score:2)

by Brain-Fu ( 1274756 )

It is true that religion is effective at motivating people to go murder until murdered. Though many people consider that to be more of a curse than a blessing, since war is quite horrible and is usually the result of simple greed and power-lust on the part of the nation's leaders. It's simply not the sort of thing that people should be willing to do under most circumstances. Incidentally, the "security of a nation" can be protected by a paid military force that includes atheists as well as members of any

Re:Delusional much? (Score:5, Informative)

by DaveyJJ ( 1198633 )

Correct. I love to hear illiterate religious fantasists exclaiming that your nation is Christian when the founding fathers themselves wholly disagreed with that sentiment. Washington was a deist (not a Christian), Franklin mocked religious fervour in his writings, Adams wrote precisely in November 1796 that "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion", and Jefferson's famous 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association was clear as well ... "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between a man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State." But fools gonna be fooled.

Re: (Score:2)

by sinij ( 911942 )

Religious tolerance is a feature of modern Christianity. You need to look no further than Middle East and how majority Islamic states treat religious minorities to realize it is not universal. Likewise, separation of religion and state is a feature of reformed Christianity.

What you fail to understand is that Christianity is not Bible or even going to church on Sundays but a set of cultural beliefs. As was shown throughout 20th century, secular society is not possible - other, much worse, things come and re

Re: Delusional much? (Score:2)

by Pinky's Brain ( 1158667 )

They were liberal and liberalism didn't evolve in Europe by accident. Christianity, the renaissance and the reformation set the stage.

Re: (Score:2)

by sinij ( 911942 )

Hypocrite. You would have no problem with Israel being called a Jewish State or Iran an Islamic state. Why do you have problem with America being called a Christian nation?

Re: (Score:2)

by unixisc ( 2429386 )

Actually, a majority of Iranians are no longer muslim - they've gone mainly Agnostic, Atheistic or one of the other faiths - Zoroastrian, Christian, et al

Also, Israel was specifically created to be a homeland for Jews, particularly after WWII, but even before that. That said, Israel is very much secular - the fact that they can't demolish the al Aqsa mosque to rebuild a temple on that site pretty much gives a lie to the claim that they are a Jewish state

Unlike Israel, the US was not founded on being a

Re: (Score:2)

by sdinfoserv ( 1793266 )

Just to emphasize your point: The Treaty of Tripoli written by Joel Barlow, an ardent Jeffersonian republican and signed by the founding fathers states - article 11 As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion

The treaty of Tripoli (Score:2)

by rsilvergun ( 571051 )

Explicitly states that America is not a Christian Nation and was not founded on Christianity and it is a legal document.

Anytime some idiot tells you America is a Christian Nation you drop the treaty of Tripoli on them and then you drop your mic.

Heinlein had it right (Score:5, Informative)

by shilly ( 142940 )

Revolt in 2100 is a story of a Christofascist state with a sexually abusive cult leader who preyed on young women. And look at what you’ve got now, America

Re: (Score:2)

by DaveyJJ ( 1198633 )

Nixon said in 1970 that in 50 years you would not recognize the Republican Party. Pretty darn prescient.

No actual numbers or evidence in article (Score:1, Interesting)

by rsilvergun ( 571051 )

Just a bunch of generic stories. But no there has been no material reduction in the number of high-skilled immigrants being brought into america.

Back in 2000 we slashed funding to College education. Before that the government paid 70% of tuition now it pays 20%. That's why you have the student loan debt crisis.

It is no coincidence that in 2000 we began massively flooding the job market with cheap Indian labor.

Billionaires got tired of paying taxes to educate your kids and your grandkids. Noticed

Caste system is what top MAGA is aiming for.. (Score:2)

by Lavandera ( 7308312 )

Actually for me caste system is what top MAGA circles aim for...

Re:No actual numbers or evidence in article (Score:4, Informative)

by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 )

> I have repeatedly seen the Republican party working to integrate Indians into their political apparatus.

This was only ever going to be temporary much like the gains made with hispanic voters and like that is already falling apart because the Republican foundation now is from their further right elements which are deeply xenophobic. Those folks are rejecting Vance because he's married to an Indian woman, they are turning against Vivek in his governors race.

"If you believe in normalizing hatred towards any ethnic group, you have no place in the conservative movement. If you believe in normalizing hatred against the Jews, blacks, whites, Indians, you have no place in the conservative movement". He then adds "if you believe that Hitler or Stalin are cool, you have no place in the conservative movement"."

That's the statement Vivek made that has got a lot of the right-wing's underpants in a kerfuffle. Let that one sink in.

Winner take all voting means (Score:2)

by rsilvergun ( 571051 )

Temporary is just fine. All you need is for voters to believe you for about 2 to 4 weeks before the election. And you can get that down to a week or so if you do away with mail in voting.

You just have to overwhelm them with propaganda. 90% of American Media is owned by billionaires and we saw them fully exercise that power last election when they covered up Donald Trump's dementia and Alzheimer's. They'll do it again in 2028. If Trump is able to say words he is probably going to get a third term. Althou

"false Hindu God" (Score:2)

by Petersko ( 564140 )

The pedant in me finds it humorous that they needed to specify the false one, implying there must be a true Hindu God they could have immortalized instead. Or maybe they would have labeled any non-Christian God as false, despite Yahweh being just as implausible and conceptually younger. Of course my money would be on the latter.

What's extra entertaining to me is the fact that when a group excels at educational and financial outcomes, some people's reaction isn't to aspire to better, but to get rid of those

Re: (Score:2)

by Vegan Cyclist ( 1650427 )

Well, you'd be right to assume you're dealing with an ahistorical population!

So it seems:

Uneducated immigrants = bad

But also:

Educated immigrants = bad

So really they're just racist.

"We are a CHRISTIAN nation." (Score:4, Informative)

by alternative_right ( 4678499 )

Our founders were culturally European and accepted Christianity as the religion of the time, but most were not dogmatically Christian, more like general believers in the spiritual/metaphysical who were content to use the religion popular at the time as a vehicle. They were people of faith, but not fundamentalists or fanatics.

The religious fundamentalists seem to be [1]abandoning MAGA [townhall.com] at the same time the West is [2]abandoning Christianity [amren.com].

As [3]Plato [gutenberg.org] said long ago, tyrants import foreign voters:

> And the more detestable his actions are to the citizens the more satellites and the greater devotion in them will he require?

> Certainly.

> And who are the devoted band, and where will he procure them?

> They will flock to him, he said, of their own accord, if he pays them.

> By the dog! I said, here are more drones, of every sort and from every land.

This is probably more of what the underlying issue is with foreign labor and why ordinary Americans seem to be opposing it.

[1] https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2025/12/30/nyt-mtg-is-was-so-naive-n2668592

[2] https://www.amren.com/news/2025/12/christianity-turns-brown/

[3] https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/1497/pg1497.txt

Re:"We are a CHRISTIAN nation." (Score:5, Insightful)

by ArchieBunker ( 132337 )

I wonder if anyone in the MAGA cult has read any Barry Goldwater quotes? He'd be ostracized as a woke libtard today. [1]https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/... [wikiquote.org]

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. The government won't work without it. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

[1] https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

Re: (Score:2)

by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 )

I mean they got fucking George Will writing article like this: [1]A sickening moral slum of an administration [washingtonpost.com] and Bill Kristol is out there saying DHS needs to be abolished (and he's right).

Fair to say MAGA is a full rejection of those previous Republican ideas. Goldwater, Rothbard, Friedman and the like are just woke globalists now.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/12/02/trump-hegseth-rubio-ukraine-venezuela-boats/

Re: (Score:2)

by ArchieBunker ( 132337 )

Ah there it is. 11AM EST and a republican brings up trans people. Would you also like to wager on all 1600 J6 pardons having handwritten signatures? How many sharpies were required?

Re: (Score:2)

by Pascoea ( 968200 )

> Frankly those who wanted to actually debate what a "woman' is, frighten me.

The only group on the planet that has ever invited me to an argument about "what a woman is" has been a red-hatted grifting asshole. And you MAGA dipshits elected the leader of that club to be president. So forgive me for taking the rest of your comment with the deserved level of dismissal.

Re: (Score:2)

by sinij ( 911942 )

Goldwater had no way of knowing that Democrats would get taken over by Neo Marxists that would try to cease means of production, etc., etc. Alliance with fundamental Christians is regrettable necessity, because they are not essentially anti-American unlike Zohrans, etc.

Re: (Score:2)

by ArchieBunker ( 132337 )

This is the funniest shit I read all day. You probably meant "seize" the means of production but ironically it's happening under the current administration. [1]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/2... [cnbc.com]

We're subsidizing Intel now because they're bad at business. [2]https://www.intc.com/news-even... [intc.com]

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/24/trump-us-steel-nippon-golden-share.html

[2] https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1748/intel-and-trump-administration-reach-historic-agreement-to

Re: (Score:2)

by beowulfcluster ( 603942 )

I'm pretty sure not even Marx wanted to cease the means of production.

Treaty of Tripoli .. Article 11 (Score:2)

by backslashdot ( 95548 )

Art. 11. "As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

note: Off

Re: Treaty of Tripoli .. Article 11 (Score:2)

by Pinky's Brain ( 1158667 )

Three years later congress passed the Naturalization Act.

Re: Treaty of Tripoli .. Article 11 (Score:2)

by Pinky's Brain ( 1158667 )

Oops, 7 years earlier.

Re: (Score:3)

by nealric ( 3647765 )

I don't think Plato's comments about the actions of the leaders of Greek city states are really relevant here. Plato was not talking about immigration in the modern sense.

Pure Racism (Score:3, Insightful)

by gurps_npc ( 621217 )

Look, no one steals jobs. Jobs are a privileged not a right. You want a job, you have to earn it - every day.

If the company you work for can not make a good profit, you are almost certainly going to lose your job. If the business can hire cheaper people that can do the same or better job, they will.

Yes, American is a great country and part of that means there are people from outside of it that live in worse conditions and are willing to come here and work for less money. They are not doing anything wrong - in fact they are not doing anything you would not do in their circumstance. They are not bad, nor evil.

Part of living in this country with the better life means you have to use the many advantages you have to create a way to make a living.

That may mean learning rare skills, (nursing is always in demand) or skills that some people find boring (accounting), or jobs that people disgusting (garbage men).

It may mean starting your own business - and hiring those cheap immigrants when you can.

It may mean getting a government job with low pay but good benefits.

But one thing you should always remember is that America is not a great place to live because of God's commandments (It's not even in the bible). It's great because we MAKE it better.

And if you are not making it better, you are the problem, not the victim.

Re:Pure Racism (Score:5, Insightful)

by Targon ( 17348 )

How are they supposed to make a good profit when the executives suck up as much of the profits as they can while paying the employees as little as they can?

Re: (Score:3)

by fortfive ( 1582005 )

> Look, no one steals jobs

Several million citizens of the First Nations would like to have a word . . .

Your post is a neoliberal screed that exemplifies the social ignorance of the 1990s-2010s, whereby the decoupling of finance from material wealth of the world displaced many people of all stripe and ability and sacrificed the individual to expansion (to be distinguished from growth-which implies some kind of progress, where is expansion is simiply that, getting bigger, without necessarily getting better.

Re: Pure Racism (Score:2)

by fluffernutter ( 1411889 )

Except it's called "the land of opportunity", not the land of "work you fingers to the bone because it's all you can find". But therein lies the rub. No one would work at a restaurant as a server for under minimum wage if it WAS really a land of opportunity. And they want people to do that, so the average wage stays at barely livable.

Re: (Score:2)

by ObliviousGnat ( 6346278 )

> They are not doing anything wrong - in fact they are not doing anything you would not do in their circumstance.

Whether I would do the same thing in someone else's circumstances has no bearing on whether that thing is right or wrong.

Success vs failure rate (Score:2)

by klipclop ( 6724090 )

I think the climate for these kind of programs are making it very politically unpopular. Canada is the same, and lobbyists for the Canadian version of the h1b program (temporary foreign slave program) also tried to gaslight and say it was racist if you were against the program. My hunch is that there were a few success stories with H1B, but like Canada the h1b program turned into a program dishonest employers could hire low wage and unskilled workers to undercut the local skilled/experienced employment pool

Make it about religion (Score:2)

by Dan East ( 318230 )

Hey everyone, ignore any actual problems with the visa and immigration system related to India, and instead take a look at how some Christians feel about a statue of a Hindu deity in Texas. On the other side of the spectrum, lets talk to Hindu adherents in India about their thoughts on McDonald's killing over 7 million cows annually to feed Westerners? I'm sure they'll only have positive things to say about that.

A Chrisian Nation (Score:5, Funny)

by gtall ( 79522 )

G-d: Hey Jesus, this is your birthday. As a present, I am going to send you down to a Christian Nation so that you can receive their love and admiration.

Jesus: Uh...okay...but recall what happened last time I went down there. I am not sure this is a wise idea.

G-d: Oh go on, they love you there. It is a Christian Nation.

Jesus reluctantly pulls out magic wand and FOOM, he disapparates from Heaven and appears in front of a Christian Nationalist rally.

Jesus: Hey, y'all, Jesus Christ here, how are you?

Christian Nationalist: Look it, I don't know who you think you are but do not go blaspheming around here.

JC: No really, I'm Jesus Christ.

CN: Prove it!

JC pulls uses his magic wand and turns the CN's beer into wine.

JC: See, how about that, eh?

CN: Aarrrrggghhh!! A demon!!! Somebody get a rope, we'll hang his ass.

JC, not being gormless, decides to disapparate to a more friendly part of the Christian Nation and appears at the border of Mexico.

JC: (seeing the poor huddled masses wanting to enter the Christian Nation, in a loud voice) I am Jesus Christ, let these poor people in and shelter and feed them!

Border Patrol agents with a posse of CNs: Okay, who let the Commie come to the border?

JC: I mean it, I AM Jesus Christ. These poor people are G-d's people, let them into your Christian Nation and show them the love of Jesus Christ.

Border Patrol agents cock their rifles and the posse starts looking around for razor wire. Jesus, not being gormless sees where this is headed. He pulls out his wand and disapparates to a rally of the former alleged president.

JC: Jesus Christ here!!! (No one pays him any attention)

Jesus hears the former alleged president demonizing immigrants.

JC: (now yelling) Hey, do not listen to him. His message is not Christian. I am Jesus Christ and I am telling you to welcome immigrants into your country!!

Rally Participants around Jesus: You goddamn woke, gay, liberal. Get the Hell out of here, we are listening to Our Savior!!

JC: I am your Savior and I am telling you to stop listening to that guy's unChristian message and welcome the poor people trying to get into your CHRISTIAN NATION!!

RPs: That does it, Billy Joe-Bob brought some zip ties and rope. We will teach this woke jerk what it means to be Christian!! Get him!!!

JC, not being gormless, pulls out wand and disapparates back to Heaven.

G-d: Back so soon?

JC: They wanted to hang me down there! Admittedly it is a bit better than being nailed to cross by Romans...you know...the B.O. ... enough to knock a dead buzzard off a shit wagon at 20 paces. But I will be damned if I am going to go through the death thing again. They are not worth it.

G-d: You mean that is not a Christian Nation?

JC: Wake up Einstein!! They follow an Orange Jesus.

G-d: That's...that's Blasphemy!

G-d pulls out iPhone and dials.

Beelzebub: Yo, Einstein, whatcha want?

G-d: Get up here, gotta big job for you.

Beelzebub blasts up through the floor boards with much flame and fume.

St. Peter: Hey, Beelz!! Long time no see, how are they hanging?

Beelzebub: Really well now that I have had them chromed, all nice and shiny, and the chime is to die for.

G-d dials St. Peter

t. Peter: (a dinka-dink, a-dinka-doo) Yes B-ss?

G-d: I asked Beelz up so you two could figure out what to do with the Christian Nationalists in the Christian Nation. Get back to me with a plan (hangs up).

Beelz: Awww, shit. Not more of those assholes.

St. Pete: Beelz, old buddy old pal. Surely you have room somewhere down there for them.

Beelz: (thinks for a minute and gets an evil grin on his face) We might have room the antechamber.

St. Pete: And we will tell them it is Heaven...but that they must all get pregnant first. Leave it to me...(pulls out iPhone and dials Einstein). Yo, Einstein (St. Pete explains the plan).

Beelz: (pipes up) But would not that

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Re: (Score:2)

by Cajun Hell ( 725246 )

Yeah, it's a bit unrealistic. I get why Hell would be under the jurisdiction of Texas law, but the antechamber? Oh, please!

Not so successful - India is less pro-USA now... (Score:4, Insightful)

by Lavandera ( 7308312 )

It's been a huge transfer of wealth and know-how to India.

Thousands if not millions of jobs went to India.

India which buys Russian oil and weapons helping them avoid sanctions...

Not so sure it benefited the US overall...

Strongly pro-US countries should be preferred over other countries...

Re: (Score:2)

by ArchieBunker ( 132337 )

Why aren't you blaming the companies who contracted out to India?

Haha (Score:2)

by ArchieBunker ( 132337 )

Indian Americans' median household income significantly outstrips that of white Americans

The paradox of immigrants. Somehow both lazy welfare recipients and top income earners. Somehow all criminals but succeeding in the American dream

The comments should be good (Score:2)

by smooth wombat ( 796938 )

*Sits back with cup of tea and waits*

Re: (Score:3)

by Petersko ( 564140 )

Honestly, that's where I sit on most divisive topics, especially when the US is involved. Except for the tea. Tea sucks. Seems like water that wants to be coffee, but can't commit.

Re: (Score:2)

by Petersko ( 564140 )

Pedantry at its finest. Technically correct, and fundamentally useless. By this extension, every beverage is some version of flavoured water. So the definition is meaningless. But well done. :)

Re: (Score:2)

by ArchieBunker ( 132337 )

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Re: (Score:2)

by Petersko ( 564140 )

Although I think tea sucks in general, I also know some teas suck much worse than others. :) For instance, I don't hate some varieties of Chinese Green Tea. But would I go two steps out if my way for it on a chilly winter night? Nope.

STEM Declines (Score:2)

by jrnvk ( 4197967 )

Regardless of politics, STEM jobs have been declining for decades in America. The short sighted grants that lined specific pockets from both major parties never translated into the jobs that were promised. Outsourcing and importing these jobs also became problematic.

Something had to change eventually. We can only hope that this transition benefits everyone in the long run.

Simple : (Score:2)

by hebertrich ( 472331 )

Republicans always make a mess. Always , then Democrats have to come in , give the economy and social programs the horse medecine it takes to have a functioning country and economy , get blamed for it by republicans who will again lie through their teeth to get reelectred and screw the little guy a bit more. Problem is that there's still people , gullible and naive , that believe republicans. Remember Trump's own words : " Intelligent people don't like me " If there was a better education system and a littl

I've always disliked the program (Score:2)

by Revek ( 133289 )

Its existence prevented citizens from getting jobs. It kept wages down and prevented the US worker from competing. I can't be the only one who can see that the whole program is a negative influence on the US job market. Its easy to say that American workers couldn't do the job but in truth we were never given the chance. Why hire us at full price when you can get someone from overseas at a fraction of the price.

Just in time (Score:2)

by backslashdot ( 95548 )

AI took my job.

False statue? (Score:2)

by angryman77 ( 6900384 )

"Why are we allowing a false statue of a false Hindu God to be here in Texas? We are a CHRISTIAN nation."

This guy seems to think the statue is false, is it papier-mÃché?

disagreeing with a religion is NOT racism (Score:2)

by Micah NC ( 5616634 )

Christians like me disagree with every religion that doesn't center around Jesus.

This isn't some kind of thing against people with Indian skin colors.

I'm sick of this "join this activist mob or die" mentality.

The trouble with a lot of self-made men is that they worship their creator.