Apple's App Course Runs $20,000 a Student. Is It Really Worth It? (wired.com)
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- News link: https://developers.slashdot.org/story/25/12/24/1957228/apples-app-course-runs-20000-a-student-is-it-really-worth-it
- Source link: https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-making-course-michigan-state-university/
> Two years ago, Lizmary Fernandez took a detour from studying to be an immigration attorney to join a free Apple course for making iPhone apps. The Apple Developer Academy in Detroit launched as part of the company's $200 million response to the Black Lives Matter protests and aims to expand opportunities for people of color in the country's poorest big city. But Fernandez found the program's cost-of-living stipend lacking -- "A lot of us got on food stamps," she says -- and the coursework insufficient for landing a coding job. "I didn't have the experience or portfolio," says the 25-year-old, who is now a flight attendant and preparing to apply to law school. "Coding is not something I got back to."
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> Since 2021, the academy has welcomed over 1,700 students, a racially diverse mix with varying levels of tech literacy and financial flexibility. About 600 students, including Fernandez, have completed its 10-month course of half-days at Michigan State University, which cosponsors the Apple-branded and Apple-focused program. WIRED reviewed contracts and budgets and spoke with officials and graduates for the first in-depth examination of the nearly $30 million invested in the academy over the past four years -- almost 30 percent of which came from Michigan taxpayers and the university's regular students. As tech giants begin pouring billions of dollars into AI-related job training courses across the country, the Apple academy [1]offers lessons on the challenges of uplifting diverse communities .
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> [...] The program gives out iPhones and MacBooks and spends an estimated $20,000 per student, nearly twice as much as state and local governments budget for community colleges. [...] About 70 percent of students graduate, which [Sarah Gretter, the academy leader for Michigan State] describes as higher than typical for adult education. She says the goal is for them to take "a next step," whether a job or more courses. Roughly a third of participants are under 25, and virtually all of them pursue further schooling. [...] About 71 percent of graduates from the last two years went onto full-time jobs across a variety of industries, according to academy officials. Amy J. Ko, a University of Washington computer scientist who researches computing education, calls under 80 percent typical for the coding schools she has studied but notes that one of her department's own undergraduate programs has a 95 percent job placement rate.
[1] https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-making-course-michigan-state-university/
Re: Betteridge's Law of Headlines says: (Score:1)
Hell no in this case. If you feel that you must pay for courses, then take some community college courses for a fraction of the cost.
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Not of late, though. Ever since they moved macs to the M-series and away from Intel,
Both macs and macbooks have become very affordable
They all have tremendous performance, and blow the pants off any Wintel configuration
To top it all, their power consumption is much lower than either PCs, or the erstwhile Intel macs
That is probably what has driven Microsoft to move to Snapdragon and AMD ARM processors for their Surfaces. Only problem: that loses compatibility w/ Wintel software, which is still too
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Uh... that is easily shown to be false. Only the base Air is cheaper now - the Mac Mini is the same, and everything else is more expensive . Comparing entry-level prices, thanks to the Wayback Machine...
2019 MacBook Air: $1099
Current MacBook Air: $999
2019 MacBook Pro: $1299
Current MacBook Pro: $1599
2019 iMac: ??? (couldn't get it to load at archive.org)
2020 iMac (Intel): $1099
Current iMac: $1299
2019 Mac Mini: $599
Current Mac Mini: $599
2019 Mac Pro: $2999 (trash can)
2020 Mac Pro: $5999 (cheese grater)
Current
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Macbooks are affordable? Not compared to Windows laptops.
Right now,, I can find a Lenovo with an i5 for $650. If I wanted to go cheaper, they have an AMD Ryzen 5 for under $400.
It looks like the cheapest Mac laptop is $1000.
That's a $350-$600 difference.
That's not pocket change for many people. You are seriously underestimating how much free cash some people have.
And why should they spend more? 90% of people are just browsing the web, reading emails, and doing some light document editing. Mo
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This is sadly true of all tech companies - Apple, Microsoft, Google, as well as most FOSS projects
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> as well as most FOSS projects
How would that work? I contributed to FOSS projects though nobody knows I'm a dog.
Re: For "people of color" (Score:2)
We can tell from your code
Fuck No (Score:2)
$20k will get you a bachelors degree in most state universities.
A $20k Apple badge is a criminal waste of money.
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Not thinking. It's $20k per year for a bachelors.
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> Not thinking. It's $20k per year for a bachelors.
My undergrad alma mater charges about $9k per year for in-state tuition. Do two years at a junior college for $4k to $5k per year, and you could do a bachelor's degree for about $26k to $28k in total.
Mind you, that's still more than $20k, but it's a lot closer to $20k than to $80k.
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It seems to me by reading the summary that 20k is the amount Apple spends per student to sponsor the programme and that attendance is free for the students.
Relevance excepts:
"Lizmary Fernandez took a detour ... to join a free Apple course for making iPhone apps."
"The program gives out iPhones and MacBooks and spends an estimated $20,000 per student,"
Haven't we seen this before? (Score:2)
It looks a lot closer to Trump University than anything else.
If Stanford (right up the street you know) can't find jobs for its CS graduates -- far more extensive knowledge and training -- why the hell would anyone expect to found a career out of a positive-cash-flow marketing project?
I have to wonder if you wouldn't get better bang for your buck at one of those "Code Ninja" shops down at the strip mall.
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But Apple certificates are more esthetic.
Stupid question. (Score:3)
The course doesn't run $20,000 per student, at least not in the way the misleading question implies. The course seems to be offered for free, includes equipment. And even a "cost of living stipend". Apparently it costs Apple, the government, and a donor $20k per seat to provide it. But it's not education at scale, or in streamlined fashion. Of course it's going to be costly.
So the question doesn't include an important modifier. From whose perspective is it being asked? Is it worth it for the attendees? Probably. Is it worth it for the provider? What's the benefit in good will?
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Naturally for making a reasonable , workable suggestion you get ZERO=0 karma from the collectivist scum that infests /. The Trotsky-sluts KNOW able coders need to be smart ... in the puzzle-solving / combinatorial sense, but progressives need LOTS of dumb , needy people to support power grabs posing as humanitarian help.
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While the title is misleading, the number of comments that jump to the conclusion that $20,000 is paid by students as tuition without actually reading the article, is quite revealing as to who are the real idiots.
A person of adequate intelligence would actually take the 30 seconds to click to the article and find the following (emphasis mine):
"The academy also draws positive grades from some researchers who study tech education, such as Quinn Burke. He says its FULLY SUBSIDIZED in-person instruction surpass
lol r u serious (Score:1)
of course not, are you retarded? why would you even ask this?
nothing Apple has ever been worth it, which is most of its point i guess, how do people not get this by now
Re: Apple Inc. Are Idiot Magnets (Score:1)
Today I learned apple runs one of those scammy coding boot camps. ðY