EU Moves To Ease 2035 Ban On Internal Combustion Cars (apnews.com)
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- News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/25/12/17/003222/eu-moves-to-ease-2035-ban-on-internal-combustion-cars
- Source link: https://apnews.com/article/eu-ban-combustion-engines-emissions-environment-d1432af14eaa73d6536f6018b27a25eb
> The proposal from the EU's executive commission would change provisions of 2023 legislation requiring average emissions in new cars to equal zero, or a 100% reduction from 2021 levels. The new proposal would require a 90% emissions reduction. That means in practical terms that most cars would be battery-only but would leave room for some cars with internal combustion engines.
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> Automakers would have to compensate for the added emissions by using European steel produced by methods that emit less carbon, and through use of climate neutral e-fuels made from renewable electricity and captured carbon dioxide and biofuels made from plants. EU officials say changing the limit will not affect progress toward making the 27-country bloc's economy climate neutral by 2050. That means producing only as much carbon dioxide as can be absorbed by forests and oceans or by abatement methods such as storing it underground. CO2 is the primary greenhouse gas blamed by scientists for climate change.
[1] https://apnews.com/article/eu-ban-combustion-engines-emissions-environment-d1432af14eaa73d6536f6018b27a25eb
Called it - Politicians backing off (Score:3)
I've said before that the upcoming bans were more aspirational than effective, placed far enough in the future that when things didn't go as rosy as predicted (which itself should be predictable), that they'd modify them.
Examples include:
1. Expanding the qualifying vehicles, like including HEVs in the same category as EVs
2. Pushing deadlines back
3. Lowering percentages.
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The way it works is that there are limits on fleet emissions. A certain proportion of cars sold must be zero emission, and the fossil ones must have average emissions below a certain level.
Even with this change, the great majority of cars sold will have to be EVs.
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We really still haven't had that major battery tech breakthrough that allows for $25,000 EV's with over 300 miles of range that can meet EU crash and safety standards... yet. I'd imagine that China is closer to the goal than most, though.
Until then, we really don't have mass market alternative that makes all ICE vehicles obsolete for lower income nations.
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We don't need 300 miles of range in the EU. My country has 101201 public charging stations on its 138065 square miles and I guess most people with cars drive less than 20 miles per day.
Adding another point (Score:2, Offtopic)
The EU and Nato countries are gearing up their military for possible future conflicts and having to rely on not portable electric power sources to power military vehicles, trucks and cars is a military disadvantage.
A tanker truck of gasoline can be delivered nearly anywhere and well beyond any place with substantial electrical grid connections (plus when the grid is destroyed...).
That is for any military vehicle and not just heavy trucks, tanks and troop carriers.
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On the other hand:
> [...]and through use of climate neutral e-fuels made from renewable electricity and captured carbon dioxide and biofuels made from plants.
If this can be ramped up rapidly, it will be just as good as electric vehicles. Electricity in Europe is still about 30% fossil fuel generated.
Meanwhile, in the US... (Score:2, Funny)
Don't worry. By 2035, Dear Leader will have abolished all of those "WOKE" hybrids and the smaller "LEFTIST" economical petrol cars. We'll be cruising around on land yachts... the BEST land yachts... better than SAD little cars the shithole countries of the world use. And they'll be powered by beautiful CLEAN COAL; with our very own black gangs shoveling it into the REAL GOOD fireboxes that CROOKED HILLARY banned for NO REASON except that she's a NASTY woman who full of HATE and she wants to spite the REA
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or the market can decide without we taxpayers having to whip out a tit for supporting overpriced Musk-type toys
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Energy subsidies preclude a free market solution, though. I'm not even saying they're a bad thing, keeping energy affordable for the citizenry at large is at least as useful as carrier groups, but how we prop up which sectors to get the best long term benefit isn't always as simple as just letting the market fight it out when it comes to new tech.
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Some countries are using a zero-sum mechanism where subsidies the EV are taken from a fund replenished by a new sales tax on the most polluting ICEs.
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Didn't Trump just praise Japan's kei cars?
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A combination of arrogance and denial will lead to this century being known as the [1]Chinese Century [wikipedia.org]. Western style democracies are unlikely to retain the geopolitical dominance they once enjoyed, and neither the US or EU are prepared culturally or materially for this eventuality.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Century
Re: Meanwhile in China... (Score:2, Offtopic)
How come the New Development Bank still uses US dollars? Wasn't BRICS supposed to have replaced the dollar by now?
Are you going to invest in this:
"On March 25, 2025, the New Development Bank (NDB) successfully priced a 3-year USD 1.25 billion benchmark bond paying an annual coupon of 4.375%. The bond was issued on March 31, 2025, under the Bankâ(TM)s Euro Medium Term Note Programme."
[1]https://www.ndb.int/borrowings... [ndb.int]
Or this:
"On December 4, 2025, the New Development Bank (NDB) successfully issued a three
[1] https://www.ndb.int/borrowings/2025-usd-bond/
Re: Meanwhile in China... (Score:3)
I think the USA & EU should start developing hybrids, use a smaller engine that can take over when the battery gets low and charge the batteries while driving and when parked and it frees the car from being dependant on charging stations