But this is a console meant for a TV where you're not likely to have DP.

I think the HP OMEN BFD have display port. but I don't know if they are TVs.

Commercial signage monitors tend to include it, as an example this [1]Sharp PN-M752 has a DP1.4 port built in. [sharpusa.com] Great! Downside is most of these screens are limited to 60Hz so you don't get a ton of benefit over a bog standard HDMI2.0. Oh and they'll be twice the price.

Dongle city is gonna be the best bet for most people. Luckily DP1.4 to HDMI2.1 adapters are pretty available now.

[1] https://business.sharpusa.com/large-format-displays/models/details/PN-M752

I fear that most DisplayPort to HDMI 2.1 dongles are not active adapters but instead passive physical connection switches. The HDMI 2.1 electrical signaling is still handled in base computer hardware when the HDMI adapter and a HDMI device is detected. That means that the base computer hardware still needs to know how to do HDMI 2.1 to supply the correct electrical signal. Although to my frustration it has never worked the other way around with a HDMI ports being simply physical convertible to a DisplayPort.

I would really love to see televisions with DisplayPort, but it seems the connector never caught on with consumer devices; the HDMI connector momentum is pretty strong sadly. I wish HDMI would go away all together. Television, GPU, and computer manufacturers just stopped playing with the HDMI Forum. Or maybe at least we will get USBC ports on televisions support DisplayPort as the protocol instead.

> You can use DisplayPort instead. Is it possible to convert DP to HDMI 2.1?

Yes, that's litteraly how the SteamDeck handles this.

The SteamDeck can output DisplayPort on its USB-C connector (similar to tons of laptops and some smartphones), and the SeamDeck's Dock has a dedicated hardware chip that does the translation into HDMI signal.

This way no need to tweak any support into opensource GPL'd drivers inside the SteamDeck and then risking running afoul of HDMI's licensing restrictions.

There are TVs with DisplayPort connectors, but they are expensive and sold more as presentation screens for computers.

Please can't someone kill HDMI, it's just causing headaches with no benefits when we have the DisplayPort now.

anti-law suit doesnt apply to forcing anyone to hand over specifications for free. Open source = give us free shit, we give it away for free. You gonna sue apple for not giving up the specs to operate a M chip ecosystem?

...that's not DVI, that's DisplayPort.

DVI is the prequel to HDMI, that single HDMI port on your GPU is also putting out DVI signalling at the lower bitrates. It's also how the various RP2350 "HDMI" boards work, is the DVI protocol is a very simple subset that the early generations of HDMI was built on top of with additional data structures.

I used to certify HDMI equipment, and the standards for HDMI were always there to protect IP rights even if it made the devices less reliable and harder to use. End-users just know that sometimes when they bought a new Blu-ray player or settop streamer that it didn't want to work at full resolution with their TV or their A/V switch or the various incompatibilities that exist between revisions.

> The problem is: the MPA has money and therefor political clout.

Y'know, back in the day of $30 BluRay movies, I could see why the MPA would fight tooth and nail to encrypt HDMI to prevent piracy.

Color me skeptical that's nearly as important as it used to be. When's the last time you bought a BluRay? Since the vast majority of video watching is streaming now, there's so much less incentive to rip and re-distribute movies. Bigger problems are probably people sharing accounts or using VPNs to circumvent geographic restrictions.

Same thing seems to have happened to music. Si

It's not a matter of the knowledge not existing, it's that in order to make an HDMI port you need to license a package of patents and agree to them. Random hacker might not care, but Valve, unfortunately, would be sued up the wazoo if it didn't license the package or broke the agreement that goes with it.

A DisplayPort to HDMI 2.1 dongle is the way to go, and honestly I'd either put it in the box, or if it's not legal to do that, advise people to order one at the same time, preferably using language along th

That has been done, but the difference between a HDMI splitter soldered together, and being allowed to use the protocol as a mass-market company without getting sued into the ground is a different thing. HDMI is heavily patent encumbered. Ideally we move from it to DisplayPort or something a bit more open, but that doesn't seem to be the case, because almost every TV has HDMI.

One problem is the supply chain control. If you don't play ball then you can't buy the chips you need to make your product. About a decade ago I made a fast HDMI switcher for use in a retail store game display. We were able to get sample chips for product development but the supplier would not sell us chips for volume production until our hardware was HDMI certified. I think the core issue was the chip we used was stripping the HDCP as part of it operation, so was only allowed in displays, not switches

Valve has it too, but they can't make support public in the drivers until the spec is pubic. If they were working with proprietary drivers, there would not be an issue, but Valve are not assholes, and they also can't violate NDAs.

HDMI forum requires a license so while I bet Valve is able to get a hold of everything technical to make it work I'm thinking they'll risk lawsuit if they just make it work, might be something Chinese companies are less concerned about?

Its a steam machine, aint no TV have display port.

Because consumers keep buying HDMI, even though it sucks.

Steam is such a tiny player in the handheld/console space, I doubt it will move the needle for most TV manufacturers. Certainly Sony would be in no rush to make things easier for them.

You just too cheap to upgrade your reciever, 4k video/audio codecs havent changed in over a decade. 4K Dolby Vision/TrueHD Audio are so old now, which means, just buy a modern receiver. Aint no one want 2 cables.

It is they won't learn. They have someone telling them what they want to hear, so won't listen to people who are saying what they don't want to hear. Wishful thinking make life so much easier than facing reality.

Won't happen, companies don't like bad feedback and products returns. The best option is to have both Display Port and HDMI ports. People who understand the difference can then use the Display Port. Remember a typical consumer has a TV with a spare HDMI port and a HDMI cable so they expect to plug that cable into a HDMI port on the new device they brought. When they can't they return product to the store and write a scathing review about how the product didn't work.

Asking people to learn about Displa

hdmi sticks because because it has drm so movie types make sure to keep pushing it. otherwise we would all be on display port now.

> soon or later something better will take that place.

I am under the impression that Displayport already did.

there marketing it as something that can connect to a tv.