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The Anxieties of Full-Body MRI Scans (Not Covered by Insurance) (yahoo.com)

(Saturday December 06, 2025 @09:34PM (EditorDavid) from the closer-looks dept.)


Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank calls himself "a highly creative hypochondriac" — who just [1]paid for an expensive MRI scan to locate abnormal spots as tiny as 2 millimeters.

He discusses the pros and cons of its "diffusion-weighted imaging" technology combined with the pattern recognition of AI, which theoretically "has the potential to save our lives by revealing budding cancers, silent aneurysms and other hidden would-be killers before they become deadly. "

> But the scans cost $2,500 a pop and insurance won't pay. Worse, for every cancer these MRIs find, they produce a slightly greater number of false positives that require a biopsy, with the potential for infection and bleeding and emotional distress. Even when the scans don't produce a false positive, they almost always come up with some vague and disconcerting abnormality.... Will we feel better after viewing our insides? Or will we become anxious about things we hadn't even thought to worry about?

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> Part of living has always been in the mystery, in not knowing what tomorrow will bring. Now, because of sophisticated imaging, genome sequencing and other revolutionary screening tools, we can have predictability, or at least the illusion of it. But do we want that? The American College of Radiology says we do not. Its [2]still-current 2023 statement says there is not "sufficient evidence" to recommend full-body screening, cautioning that the scan could lead to needless testing and expense. But David Larson, chair of ACR's Commission on Quality and Safety, told me that could change as more data comes in. "When people ask me, 'Would you recommend it?' I would say it depends on your tolerance for ambiguity," he said, giving the example of somebody found to have a borderline aortic aneurysm who is advised to wait and monitor it. If "that won't keep you up at night, then I wouldn't necessarily recommend against it...."

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> About 1 in 20 gets that dreaded call. A [3]study Prenuvo presented earlier this year of 1,011 participants found that 4.9 percent of scans required a follow-up biopsy. Of those, 2.2 percent were actually cancer, and the other 2.7 percent were false positives. Of the 22 cancers the scans caught, 86 percent of patients had no specific symptoms. But if finding something truly awful is rare, finding something abnormal is almost guaranteed. [Vikash Modi, Prenuvo's senior medical director of preventative medicine] said only 1 in 20 scans come back completely clean. The vast majority of patients wind up in the ambiguous realm where something may look suspicious but doesn't require urgent follow-up.

He opted for the cheaper $1,000 torso scan, which the senior medical director calls "our bread-and-butter area," since 17 of the 22 cancers detected in one Prenuvo study were in that area and is where they often find cancers that wouldn't be discovered until they were incurable like "that scary pancreatic stuff...."

Milbank's scan found 12 "abnormalities" included "a 2.5 mm pulmonary nodule in the right lower lobe" and "a 4.6 mm intraductal papillary mucinous neoplasm in the pancreatic tail" — but with 10 abnormalities labeled "minor" (and six being musculoskeletal wear-and-tear problems "I already knew about from the usual aches and pains".)

> Even the two "moderate" findings didn't sound that grim when I read on. The "indeterminant lesion" in my lung requires no follow-up, while the thing in my pancreas is "low-risk."... The "most interesting" finding was the pancreatic cyst, because, at this size and location, there's a 3 percent chance it will become cancerous in the next five years. But if annual follow-up scans of my pancreas (covered by insurance) show it's getting bigger, the cyst can be removed before it becomes cancer. For me, this made the MRI worthwhile. Sure, there was a 97 percent likelihood the cyst never would develop into a problem even if I hadn't learned about it. But now, with minimal inconvenience, I can eliminate that 3 percent risk of getting pancreatic cancer, the [4]most lethal of major malignancies .



[1] https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/articles/suspected-hidden-killer-lurked-inside-150044299.html

[2] https://www.acr.org/News-and-Publications/Media-Center/2023/ACR-Statement-on-Screening-Total-Body-MRI

[3] https://aacrjournals.org/cancerres/article/85/8_Supplement_1/7406/760042

[4] https://pancreatic.org/pancreatic-cancer/pancreatic-cancer-facts/



Some get scans for free (Score:3)

by quonset ( 4839537 )

Because when you're given infusions of Leqembit to slow the progression of Alzheimer's, MRI scans are mandatoy. The drug can cause swelling, bleeding, or fluid leakage in the brain. Generally, scans are given six months apart.

Also, the drug can cause tiredness which is evidenced by the inability to stay awake during the day.

Re: (Score:2)

by Mr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 )

Yeah, the trumpistan elites are so afraid of dying that what they do gets beyond absurd and is on par with that scary conversation of one crazy vladimir putin with his Chinese counterpart about living up to 150 if human body parts are readily available for replacement.

At the same time, these very elites are happy to leave the populace without vaccination and viable insurance options and to kill research for the dumbest ideological reasons that expose their ignorance and don't bear out even a simple consiste

Before and After (Score:4)

by Trip Ericson ( 864747 )

I've always wondered if there might be a benefit to a full body scan along these lines not for its own sake, but for what it could tell me later in life when something actually is wrong. Does having a "before" image help to weed out things that were always there when trying to figure out what's newly wrong, or does it make it more likely miss something that started off small and wasn't impacting my health but now is?

Not that I'm actually planning to get one of these due in large part to the cost, but the engineer in me wonders if there's value to having a "before" picture to compare to the "after" picture later in life.

Re: (Score:2)

by backslashdot ( 95548 )

Of course there is. Would be cool if they could make an in-home or in-gym/office MRI so that you can scan yourself every few months looking for deltas. If anything looks sus, do a PET-CT. The biggest challenge in making an MRI machine is that you need superconducting magnets, which requires liquid Helium and liquid helium means difficult plumbing and massive bulk. Someone needs to figure out how to build one with liquid nitrogen/"high" temperature superconductors. Or somehow with regular magnets/electromagn

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by Waffle Iron ( 339739 )

> Would be cool if they could make an in-home or in-gym/office MRI so that you can scan yourself every few months looking for deltas

That would never fly. You just know that some dufus at the gym would bring a 10kg steel dumbbell into the MRI room and ruin things for everyone.

Re: (Score:2)

by backslashdot ( 95548 )

Oh yeah true .. in-office or community center or pharmacy then. Seems like a good benefit (assuming such a low maintenance MRI could ever be made) .. It would need robust safety features to prevent injury of people who forget to take out metal/or forgot they have implants.

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by mysidia ( 191772 )

You just know that some dufus at the gym would bring a 10kg steel dumbbell into the MRI room and ruin things for everyone.

No.. this would have to be a locked restricted room where only MRI techs and their clients may access.

However; the equipment is A. Very expensive. Your Gymn is not likely to buy it.

B. Due to the expense.. It is likely that your nearest local Hospitals will guarantee you are not able to obtain the necessary permits in order to protect their monopoly. They've got a huge investment t

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by ZipNada ( 10152669 )

> Does having a "before" image

It sure does seem like having a physical snapshot of your innards to compare against a future version every few years could be a great preventative.

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by Krishnoid ( 984597 )

Consider requesting the [1]DICOM data [wikipedia.org] for the scan. Radiologists had the foresight to standardize the format for all kinds of medical imaging, and who knows what we will be able to do in the future with the help of medical research and AI when presented with a time progression of images for one person

Computerized tomatography and nuclear magnetic resonance imaging only appeared circa 1970, but there are still at least some doctors around who try to divine things by looking at a printed film. Budding [2]radiol [slashdot.org]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DICOM#History

[2] https://science.slashdot.org/story/25/12/05/2217255/ai-led-to-an-increase-in-radiologists-not-a-decrease

To update that old saying... (Score:3)

by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 )

"A hypochondriac and his money are soon parted."

"highly creative hypochondriac" (Score:2)

by msauve ( 701917 )

Uh, OK. The article is like someone had to produce X words for a school assignment. It's an anecdote, not news, not particularly informative. He can pay for whatever procedure(s) he wants, I think the article is just some after-the-fact way of getting his hypochondria subsidized.

It's preventive, not diagnostic, so it's properly up to the insurance whether to cover it or not - that's a risk/benefit decision they have.

But I would say that insurance should pay if the scan turns up anything requiring medica

I'm seeing a lot of MRI related content (Score:3)

by rsilvergun ( 571051 )

In my feed lately. And I'm guessing it's because the news media really really wants to cover Trump's MRI but isn't allowed to. I mean except for the British press.

A member of Congress just pointed out that the spots on Trump's hands are probably from an IV used to administer in Alzheimer's drug and that the MRIs are likely because the drug has a side effect that can cause brain swelling and they are monitoring for that.

What's weird is while this is going on suddenly I get all these stories in my feed and on pages I frequent about mris. The algorithm knows that MRIS or being searched for by people because even though the regular news media isn't allowed to talk about Trump's medical condition people have Google and are using it.

I suspect what's happening is that most newsrooms will monitor frequently searched keywords and start running stories about them to soak up ad revenue. People are searching for MRI because Trump is in the news and The newsroom is ordering stories about it.

It's kind of bizarrely cool and a cyberpunk kind of way.

More testing Better Medicine (Score:2)

by Pollux ( 102520 )

The medical industry already profits greatly from medical testing. Testing earns the industry lots of money; then, patients with positive results receive follow-up treatments, which nets the industry even more money.

Everyone screens for cancer now. Breast cancer. Colorectal cancer. Prostate cancer. The list goes on. (I'm even a cancer survivor myself.) And yet, to this day, [1]studies question whether more testing results in longer life spans [lowninstitute.org]. Generally, it does not. Meanwhile, all the testing and tre

[1] https://lowninstitute.org/does-cancer-screening-help-us-live-longer/

Helium shortage? (Score:1)

by Tablizer ( 95088 )

I've read MRI scans require helium, and there is currently a shortage. It's not practically renewable or recyclable so far. If everyone gets an MRI it could cause a severe shortage.

I wonder if the tech can be reworked to not require helium or any other hard-to-find resource.

My tale (Score:2)

by Calibax ( 151875 )

As you might tell from my ID, I'm old. My wife and I both paid for torso scans from Prenuvo a year ago. Mine was essentially clear with nothing that requires immediate action. My wife had a 6.5 mm pulmonary nodule - a 6 mm or greater nodule is a possible cancer. Our doctor recommended having an another MRI (paid by insurance) a year later.

So my wife had the second MRI a month ago and the nodule has grown to 9 mm. A follow-up PET scan showed a "hot" image. Surgical removal is in two weeks.

My wife has no symp

Re: (Score:2)

by frdmfghtr ( 603968 )

> It may save her life, or the nodule might be benign and all the anxiety, the follow-up tests and the pain of the surgery might be for nothing. We will know soon.

Hopefully it's all for nothing (in a good way).

Should I do my BOBBIE VINTON medley?